Naked in the Garden

[whirlwind]

After Adam and Eve took of the tree of knowledge of good and evil...they were naked in the garden.

• Genesis 3:10 And he said, I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

God tells us that what has happened will again happen.

• 1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
  
  Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Knowing that...where else do we read of being "naked in the garden?" What is the lesson in this?

• John 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, He went forth with His disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which He entered, and His disciples.

This garden is...the Garden of Gethsemane where Judas betrayed Him with a kiss. His disciples didn't remain with Him.....

• Mark 14:50-52 And they all forsook Him, and fled. And there followed Him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

The "young man" isn't named. To me, this young man represents the man child, or one of the men children, of end times...for there are many more of God's very elect than one. Although those pretending to be of Christ also wear linen in order to deceive the linen is to signify....

• Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

This young man, man child, follower of Christ, wore linen but....he fled in the hour he should have watched. "The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak." [Mark 14:38] When he left his linen garment, his righteousness....he was then "naked in the garden."

As Jesus was betrayed, as His followers fled, it will again happen for this too was an "example upon whom the ends of the world are come." At the end of days some will be delivered...just as was our Savior.

• Amos 2:16 And he that is courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked in that day, saith the LORD.

Will we hide when we hear His voice? Will we flee "naked in the garden?" Or, will we stand and wear our linen garments?

 

[Ret]

After Adam and Eve took of the tree of knowledge of good and evil...they were naked in the garden.

After...? ...what about Genesis 2:25...?

• Genesis 3:10 And he said, I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

God tells us that what has happened will again happen.

... :amen ... God is still 'opening' eyes to SEE...that which was not SEEN previously... Accompanied with opening the eyes, is HEARING the VOICE in the garden!

• 1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come
  
  Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Knowing that...where else do we read of being "naked in the garden?" What is the lesson in this?

• John 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, He went forth with His disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which He entered, and His disciples.

This garden is...the Garden of Gethsemane where Judas betrayed Him with a kiss. His disciples didn't remain with Him.....

• Mark 14:50-52 And they all forsook Him, and fled. And there followed Him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

The "young man" isn't named. To me, this young man represents the man child, or one of the men children, of end times...for there are many more of God's very elect than one. Although those pretending to be of Christ also wear linen in order to deceive the linen is to signify....

• Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

This young man, man child, follower of Christ, wore linen but....he fled in the hour he should have watched. "The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak." [Mark 14:38] When he left his linen garment, his righteousness....he was then "naked in the garden."

As Jesus was betrayed, as His followers fled, it will again happen for this too was an "example upon whom the ends of the world are come." At the end of days some will be delivered...just as was our Savior.

• Amos 2:16 And he that is courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked in that day, saith the LORD.

Will we hide when we hear His voice? Will we flee "naked in the garden?" Or, will we stand and wear our linen garments?

NOT ASHAMED in Genesis 2:25....continues into Revelation...

• Revelation 3:17,18
  17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
  
  18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. KJV

Thank God for providing a solution, in Christ Jesus...to BE CLOTHED... :yes

 

[ChevyRodeo]

How did they have a construct for nakedness if they had never seen clothes before?

Did they see God wearing clothing/robes? Why does God need clothing?

 

[Joe67]

ChevyR,

God brought about a sense of shame, just as with our granddaughter, when she became aware that she was naked and ran screaming to her room. Her mother, our daughter, would let the girl go around naked. We never allowed our daughter, the mom in this case, to go around naked. We were of a different education. Our daughter had encountered different education along the way and promoted the need for her daughter to feel "free."

The issue here is not about our daughter's education. But it is concerning the 3 yr old girl's sense of shame, that was not mentioned to her by any adult, as far as we know. The unspoken message was in the fact that all of the adults in the room were fully clothed.

In the situation with Adam and Eve, the shame they felt (Adam spoke the response to God) was a vital part of the "death" that God had promised if the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was eaten.

The prophecies depicting end of the world scenes are of shame more than fear. "Hide us from the face of Him that sits on the throne..." is a statement of shame, not only fear for bodily destruction. They asked for bodily destruction to deliver them from their sense of shame.

Rev 6:16
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: KJV

Rev 16:14-16
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. KJV

Verse 15 is concerning a quality of inward emotion; i.e., a spiritual state of being. Walking naked is concerning the way and state of mind in which we worship and serve the Lord.

Joe

 

[Sinthesis]

Here is a commentary on Mark 14:51-52 by Chuck Smith:

Now, Mark did not write his gospel from personal recollection or experience, because he was only about twelve years old at this time. But Mark became a companion and traveled with Peter, and no doubt heard Peter telling over and over the story of Jesus. So, in Mark's gospel you pretty much have Peter's account of the story of Christ, as Mark records what he heard Peter telling. There is only one portion of the gospel of Mark that perhaps is a personal account of Mark as he remembered it, and that is this particular verse.

• And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the [other] young men laid hold on him [grabbed hold of him]: and he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked (Mar 14:51-52).

Now, inasmuch as none of the other gospels record the event of this young man who was following along and was grabbed and fled naked from the garden, most scholars agree that Mark is here putting in his own little personal story. As a little boy he was probably fascinated with Jesus and the disciples. And inasmuch as his mother was very active in the ministry, in cooking for them and helping them and all, Mark probably was just one of these little boys that tag along, and was just entranced by the whole thing. And it was very possible he was there in the garden when they arrested Jesus, and some of the young fellows that came grabbed hold of him and he wriggled free, leaving his coat in their hands and fled from the garden.

Personally I believe the story to be an allegorical account of the shame(nakedness) Mark felt as the righteousness(linen cloth) he had in his association with Jesus fell away as he too forsook Jesus and fled, perhaps at the urging of other young boys, but shameful to him nonetheless.

 

[ChevyRodeo]

ChevyR,

God brought about a sense of shame, just as with our granddaughter, when she became aware that she was naked and ran screaming to her room. Her mother, our daughter, would let the girl go around naked. We never allowed our daughter, the mom in this case, to go around naked. We were of a different education. Our daughter had encountered different education along the way and promoted the need for her daughter to feel "free."

The issue here is not about our daughter's education. But it is concerning the 3 yr old girl's sense of shame, that was not mentioned to her by any adult, as far as we know. The unspoken message was in the fact that all of the adults in the room were fully clothed.

In the situation with Adam and Eve, the shame they felt (Adam spoke the response to God) was a vital part of the "death" that God had promised if the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was eaten.

The prophecies depicting end of the world scenes are of shame more than fear. "Hide us from the face of Him that sits on the throne..." is a statement of shame, not only fear for bodily destruction. They asked for bodily destruction to deliver them from their sense of shame.

Rev 6:16
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: KJV

Rev 16:14-16
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. KJV

Verse 15 is concerning a quality of inward emotion; i.e., a spiritual state of being. Walking naked is concerning the way and state of mind in which we worship and serve the Lord.

Joe

but God made them naturally naked. Why would there be shame for what God did? Why would nakedness be a negative or bad thing if God made it the default way of things?


Your daughter would never know she is naked if she ONLY communicated with naked people.

 

[Joe67]

ChevyR,

When Jesus was made to be in our place, he despised the shame that belongs to us.

We begin our existence without any sense of shame. When the grace of God in Jesus comes to us we begin to feel something of our shame wherein before we felt we were doing good.

This was true of my young granddaughter. Her demonstrative disposition began to abate and now almost four years later she is much more co-operative with the family wherein she lives.

I was in my early 20's before any sense of shame began to rest upon me for my arrogant, demonstrative disposition. The grace of God came to me through a series of events that led me to do some reflection upon my past conduct.

Praise God for his long suffering and forbearance in Jesus our Lord and Savior.

Joe

 

[ChevyRodeo]

If you grow up on an island alone with no human contact, you don't know that you are naked.

I understand the symbolism for shame of sin, but nakedness, so i feel, since is made by God, or rather established by God as natural, is nothing to be ashamed of. We should feel shame for our sin.

But naked is how God made us. I still don't understand why God would wear clothing, he exists above and beyond all cultures and philosophies, we are made in his image.

 

[Joe67]

ChevyR,

God's eternal purpose for us is to clothe us in the image of Jesus' clothing.

An animal has no shame in displaying its reproductive organ.

Joe

 

[ChevyRodeo]

ChevyR,

God's eternal purpose for us is to clothe us in the image of Jesus' clothing.

An animal has no shame in displaying its reproductive organ.

Joe

God made man for His own pleasure, to love Him, worship Him, serve Him, and fellowship with Him.

God did not make us to sin and fall, that all came later as a result of sin. But that aside, why does God even need clothes? robes, shoes what have you. And what is so shameful specifically about genitals? Its an organ of the body just like... your teeth, or hands. Tools really.

 

[ChevyRodeo]

I am really trying to get my head around this naked stuff.

God made us naked, nakedness is shameful. God did not make us with shame. Shame came with sin. We where naked before sin. How is naked now shame.


and I wish someone could answer this, Why would God wear clothing. God made a naked adam in His image.

 

[whirlwind]

• Gensis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
  
  [list:ape5suks]Naked #6174 ~ nude, partially, totally

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Looking deeper than just the surface meaning of nudity...Adam and Eve were perfect. From them the Saviour would be born. They, although nude physically, were clothed with God's light so..."they were not ashamed." They needed nothing else.

Enter the serpent. They partook of the fruit he offered and their light was gone...

• 3:7 And the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
  
  [list:ape5suks]Naked #5903 ~ from 6191, nudity...#6191 to be (or make) bare; but used only in the der. sense (through the idea perh. of smoothness) to be cunning (usually in a bad sense): - x very, beware, take crafty (counsel), be prudent, deal subtilly.

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Naked, as used there, shows they participated with the serpent, Satan. He, "more subtil than all the beasts," caused their Light to fall away...their protection, their salvation. They were indeed naked! They were without God.

• Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

After they took of the forbidden tree, became naked and without Him, He provided a way for them to be clothed again but this time in "coats of skins." Now they had to offer their sins through animal sacrifice. This of course was a foreshadowing of the greatest offering for sins...The Lamb on Passover.

 

[stovebolts]

Hi WW

I am enjoying your topic and I especially appreciated your comments on the Mark 14: 50-52

After Jesus was crucified and on the first day of the week, Mary found the tomb empty, ran and told the apostles, and then went back to the tomb to mourn. While standing in front of the tomb, ...
John 20:15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Who are you looking for?†Because she thought he was the gardener, she said to him, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will take him.â€

I believe that John wants us to make the connection back to Genesis 2.. and one might ask the role of a gardener ;)

 

[whirlwind]

Hi WW

I am enjoying your topic and I especially appreciated your comments on the Mark 14: 50-52

After Jesus was crucified and on the first day of the week, Mary found the tomb empty, ran and told the apostles, and then went back to the tomb to mourn. While standing in front of the tomb, ...
John 20:15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Who are you looking for?†Because she thought he was the gardener, she said to him, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will take him.â€

I believe that John wants us to make the connection back to Genesis 2.. and one might ask the role of a gardener ;)

That is a fascinating connection revealed to you and....I agree. We are to connect the two.

 

[toddm]

I do think there's a parallel to the Garden of Eden and Garden of Gethsemane, but I think to bring all the "end times" stuff into it is a stretch.

The parallel I see between the 2 Gardens is this:

1) Adam disobeyed God's will in the Garden. Jesus submitted to God's will.

2) Adam brought shame through sin. Jesus brought a "covering" by atonement (this is a bit of a stretch because Jesus didn't atone for sin in the Garden - that was done on Calvary)

 

[Joe67]

Jesus, our Lord, received the cup in the garden. He tasted death for every man. His death in his body occurred finally on the cross.

Death is naked before God. All things are naked before God.

Let us think upon these scenes and witness to that which the holy Spirit shows us.

Let us be restrained from being quick to quench the spirit in the witness of others. Don't forbid others to prophesy or to speak in a tongue that we do not understand.

The elders, high priest and scribes spoke against Jesus, as well as against each other.

Joe

 

[ChevyRodeo]

Jesus died yes, but he came back to life. So then what is the significance of death or seriousness about dying if you can come back to life. I think its more then just Jesus died for us.

 

[stovebolts]

I do think there's a parallel to the Garden of Eden and Garden of Gethsemane, but I think to bring all the "end times" stuff into it is a stretch.

The parallel I see between the 2 Gardens is this:

1) Adam disobeyed God's will in the Garden. Jesus submitted to God's will.

2) Adam brought shame through sin. Jesus brought a "covering" by atonement (this is a bit of a stretch because Jesus didn't atone for sin in the Garden - that was done on Calvary)

Hi Todd,

umm, I think your confusing genesis two, with genesis three...

The atonement for sin occurred at the Alter, which in this case takes the place of the cross at Golgotha. However, the gardener at the empty tomb points back to the garden before genesis three... before the fall.