Nationalized Banks and Globalism

[handy]

I debated as to what forum to place this thread in, but settled on "General Talk" because I don't want this thread to be specifically about current events, or specifically about the politics and governments involved, nor specifically about shadow governments and conspiracies, nor specifically about end-times eshcatology. I'd like to see a nice discussion about all of it and more, stewed up and hashed out. Remember, "nice" discussion, not all out donneybrook. :P

It stunned me when the move to bail out the banks turned into a blatant push towards nationalizing the whole banking system, and then our esteemed Republican President got together with other world leaders to push towards a more globalized economic and banking system.

:o Wow, sounds like things are really ramping up towards a unified one-world government.

What are your thoughts on this whole mess?

 

[John]

Its not all that surprising, we've been heading towards a NWO for sometime now.

 

[Veritas]

I was wondering when this topic would come up. Yes, this whole movement of nationalizing and globalizing was suprising to me as well. I am disgusted with the Republican party for going along with this. Ron Paul has some ideas I disagree with, but more and more I am appreciating his stances that I do agree with.

Recently I've also looked into illuminati information. They are spooky if they exist as claimed, and these events sound like something they would push.

 

[destiny]

Nwo (new world order) was the dream of George Walker Bush SR.. It wouldn't be surprising to me if the economic breakdown was staged in order to bring about globalization. We are starting to see how corrupt our government is... I hope.

 

[stovebolts]

We've been moving toward a one world government for some time now. I suppose we have the commies to be thankful for that were not : J.K.

Really though, We've been heading toward a global economy for some time now and from what I've been told by some really smart people in the field of economics, the nationalization of the global banking system was inevitable and what were seeing is a global transitioning as the U.S. moves away from manufacturing and becomes a service oriented country. As a result, the world market should start to balance out and as the standard of living increases in the countries that are currently taking our jobs away from America, which means they will demand raises, which brings the jobs back to the U.S. I've heard a time frame of about 10 years for this transition to come full circle as the global market makes this adjustment.

As far as our Country, it appears that the moral character of our country has adopted a "You owe me" attitude which is pushing this trend toward socialism. If you've ever met a stout, ungrateful UAW worker who works 20 hours a week getting paid for 60 hours a week and bringing home $80,000 a year complain because he can only work for 15 minutes before he needs to rest for 30 minutes (which requires two additional employees to maintain the manufacturing line) and in his mind, he's justified.. well then, you certainly know what I'm saying... (BTW, that's why GM really closed the Flint plant, and it's members went into the "Job Bank" @ 80% of their wages to sit around and read the newspaper)

 

[stovebolts]

Nwo (new world order) was the dream of George Walker Bush SR.. It wouldn't be surprising to me if the economic breakdown was staged in order to bring about globalization. We are starting to see how corrupt our government is... I hope.

Isnt' that the truth!

 

[Blazin Bones]

Maybe my youth has me a little buffered, but I'm not completely terrified by this like some seem to be. If we seeing the beginnings of a global market, then we are also getting closer to going home.

First, we have to see if these ideas even last, and they very well may, and then we need to see the smaller countries swallowed up by this new system, which will also take time. There are plenty of dumb choices being made the last few weeks, but they aren't done playing out, so I don't know how much I'm going to dwell on it.

 

[destiny]

Discussion and opinion doesn't mean fear. We are living in exciting times!

 

[Caroline H]

As far as our Country, it appears that the moral character of our country has adopted a "You owe me" attitude which is pushing this trend toward socialism. If you've ever met a stout, ungrateful UAW worker who works 20 hours a week getting paid for 60 hours a week and bringing home $80,000 a year complain because he can only work for 15 minutes before he needs to rest for 30 minutes (which requires two additional employees to maintain the manufacturing line) and in his mind, he's justified.. well then, you certainly know what I'm saying... (BTW, that's why GM really closed the Flint plant, and it's members went into the "Job Bank" @ 80% of their wages to sit around and read the newspaper)

What ever happened to putting in an honest day's work and taking care of your own bills? A couple of years ago I worked in a town where it seemed as though everyone had that same mentality, someone owes them something for nothing. I just don't understand it, it is not what this country was built with and I am concerned about where it is taking us. How is it that our government can provide for a $700billion bailout of companies who can't pay their bills because its customers can't pay their bills, when our government can't even pay its bills?

Honestly though, it has to happen somehow doesn't it? I mean, wer'e not going to get a one world government overnight, and this is just another big step towards it. As a Christian, I am not afraid because I know who is really in control and it is not our government...Thank God 8-)

 

[Blazin Bones]

Discussion and opinion doesn't mean fear. We are living in exciting times!

My Post was not to suggest anyone posting is scared by these events, but some of the people I work with and some of the people I watch on TV seem to be a bit too dooms day about this.

 

[destiny]

Discussion and opinion doesn't mean fear. We are living in exciting times!

My Post was not to suggest anyone posting is scared by these events, but some of the people I work with and some of the people I watch on TV seem to be a bit too dooms day about this.

Yeah... some people dwell on the world too much and feed on all the negativity. It's a time to discern but also a time to meditate on the promises of God and stay in His presence. Balance...

 

[stovebolts]

What ever happened to putting in an honest day's work and taking care of your own bills? A couple of years ago I worked in a town where it seemed as though everyone had that same mentality, someone owes them something for nothing. I just don't understand it, it is not what this country was built with and I am concerned about where it is taking us.

Well, if you ask me, it all started when the government spent billions of dollars to inject psychologist into every aspect of our society. I don't want to derail the thread on the topic of psychologist and their role w/ the government, but this mentality of shifting blame and not taking responsibility for ones action isn't a biblical approach, yet it remains predominant in today's society, especially our youth.

I can still hear my step son's words (he was 19 at the time) echoing in my ear when we took his jeans away after being warned several times not to leave them in the bathroom. He said, "Give them back to me, their mine. If you don't give them back, I'm calling the police and reporting you for abuse." ... and he actually called them, and they had to come out. Of course it was dismissed, but will it be in another 50 years?...

Maybe my youth has me a little buffered, but I'm not completely terrified by this like some seem to be. If we seeing the beginnings of a global market, then we are also getting closer to going home.

We have been in a global market since the late 80's. One bill that helped the globalization was NAFTA. I remember when the dollar first started dropping in value back in the late 80's. Milk went up, the price of bread almost doubled, rent went up, yet wages stayed the same. My Dad made the same comments...

The idea that the American public was sold on back in the 80's went something like this if I remember right. The devaluing of our Dollar was good, because it made it more economical to sell our products to other countries, which meant we'd sell more. Also, by shipping good paying jobs over seas, America could save manufacturing costs which meant Americans could purchase goods at a lower cost. In addition, by shipping jobs over seas in addition to the additional imported items we would purchase at lower costs (which I believe was supposed to balance out our devalued dollar), it would also increase the economic stature of the foreign countries, which meant that we could export more goods and commodities, such as wheat and peas.

Like it or not, the US forged the path toward a global economy decades ago.. and what were seeing today, I believe, is both the transition of how the US plays as a member within the global manufacturing community, and the corruption caused by the "Must Have for nothing" mentality.

 

[Vic C.]

off topic

I can still hear my step son's words (he was 19 at the time) echoing in my ear when we took his jeans away after being warned several times not to leave them in the bathroom. He said, "Give them back to me, their mine. If you don't give them back, I'm calling the police and reporting you for abuse." ... and he actually called them, and they had to come out. Of course it was dismissed, but will it be in another 50 years?...

LOL. I still recall a time a few years ago when a Christian friend of mine was telling us about child rearing and how DYFS gets in the way of proper parenting. His son was mad that he got grounded and lost his driving privileges for breaking curfew and talking back to his parents. He threatened to call DYFS (it seemed he did that a lot). My friend Gene (the dad) said, "After you call them you might as well call 911 because you're gonna need them," :-D

The DYFS threats stopped soon after. : Children, especially boys, apparently respond to the notion of fear and pain. It's a military tactic. 8-)

 

[Joshua]

Re: off topic

He threatened to call DYFS (it seemed he did that a lot). My friend Gene (the dad) said, "After you call them you might as well call 911 because you're gonna need them,"

: :

 

[stovebolts]

LOL Vic! Yeah, I felt about the same way. Funny thing happened though, he decided all on his own to stay with his friends for about a week before he asked if he could come home. :-D

But about this globalism... Lets look at the Automotive Industry. GM in particular since I know a little about GM...

GM has the largest global footprint of ANY car manufacturer. In other words, they are in a strategic position to dominate the world market... when the market recovers. Unfortunately, GM only has one more year of cash piled away before they're broke.. and then what? another government bailout? About two weeks ago, GM let another 400 people go from the GM Tech Center in Warren Mi, many of whom I know personally. Some of them had been there for as long as 19 years. Power Train, which is headquartered in Pontiac just announced 600 jobs to be cut before October 31. Mind you, these are white collar jobs and don't include the manufacturing plants that will be closed.

GM has been drastically restructuring for the past four years to make the cost cuts to save the sinking ship. They were on the right track, but I know that this recession is going to bring about additional problems. Folks, if you didn't know, GM's hurting, and hurting bad... and tens of thousands of good paying jobs are on the line right here in the good ole US of A.

What does this have to do with Globalism? Taxes and the upcoming election that's what. Plain and simple. Many corporations WILL move their companies overseas if their taxes are raised. Why in the world would a company pay a higher rate to do business when they can go to another country to do their business. I watched Volkswagon of America move to VA and TNN after our Democratic Governor raised taxes on business here in Mi, and I'm watching two more small companies from a smaller town move out of state because of the increase in tax. It's time to wake up folks... Were in a global economy and many small and large companies are hurting, and they're hurting bad, and it's really this simple. Raise taxes on companies, and they'll be forced to move their operations to foreign countries... and the jobs go with them...

Think about it...

 

[stovebolts]

Sorry Guys, I'm a bit fired up about this whole thing, so I started a new thread in Current Events.

Vote for Obama and raise taxes!

 

[Grog]

I am fron nova scotia and we cook lobsters here---kinda like the whole frog thing..put them in the pot and turn the heat up,,,soon they have no idea that they will be grog-food.i think that whats happening has been a long term plan to overturn the soverignty of the u.s. and that the american people have been sllooooooooowly conditioned to lay in the pot so to speak.as long as the heat is gradual,we will even accept a few burns as long as someone tells us its not that hot!I also find it just unreal the lengths we will go to to avoid facing these truths....its JUST like talking to an unbeliever about Christ..willingly ignorant!!!!gah!!EVEN CHRISTIANS!!Maybe ESPECIALLY christians.there is an attitude that conspiracies or anything that even hints at such a thing is intellectually bankrupt...but please remember this -when God leaves the building,He gives people over to believe lies because they simply will not recieve the love of the truth.Tell me if you wil,the seven churches that were corrected by the Lord in revelation......where are they today?the american empire is just that-an empire of man,and it WILL fall,and from within.

 

[Paidion]

The present economic system in both U.S.A. and Canada is based on social debt. When there few businesses and individuals borrowing, then there is not enough money to buy the goods and services necessary. When you borrow $10,000 from a bank, the bank creates that money out of nothing. When you pay back the loan, that $10,000 goes out of existence.

Our money system ought to be based on social credit rather than social debt. In other words, in a social credit system, money comes into existence as a credit rather than a debt. The quantity of money created would exactly balance the amount of goods and services available. This would prevent inflations and depressions. Please read the book Social Credit by C.H. Douglas (from England). This economic system was tried in the island of Guernsey, a British possession. The system brought Guernsey out of poverty into becoming very wealthy. There were no income taxes on the island, and many British people wanted to move there, but of course, there was room for only so many. Political parties who promote this monetary system tend to be right wing --- even more right wing that the Conservative Party in Canada and the Republican Party in United States, notwithstanding the term "social credit." The only aspect of the system which is "social" is the credit, and in order to have that, nationalization of the banks is absolutely necessary.

A social credit government in Alberta was able to bring Alberta out of the 1930s depression. In that depression there were sufficient goods and services, but not enough money to buy them. Of course the system could not be fully implemented unless the Social Credit Party could form the Government of Canada, and that has never happened.