Bible Study Nephilim

[JM]

What do you think about the Nephilim?

Bullinger Bible quote: The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Genesis 6, and Appendix 23 are called in Genesis 6, N e-phil´-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Genesis 3:15).
This was why the Flood was brouhgt "upon the world of the ungodly" (2Peter 2:5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude 14).
http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app25.html

What seems to me to be the most straightforward way of understanding the text that deal with this topic: Nephilim are the union of fallen angels with women to produce a hybrid race called the "Nephilim," or fallen ones.

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/110/
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/22/

I don't believe everything out of Khouse but it is a possible solution.

j

 

[Khristeeanos]

I did a study on this a long time ago and came to realize that there is no way to know for certain.

My opinion is that khouse is correct, that these are the product of fallen angels and human women. But I don't know and nobody else does either.

 

[Relic]

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Chuck Missler's a great teacher, One of my favorites, but you must keep in mind. Take everything, with a grain of salt and see it from different perspectives other than that of the material.

The bible clearly states, (paraphrasing here) that the spiritual way of deciphering is different than that of the carnal mind. And the carnal mind does not know the spirit.

Now then, take those "giant" Nephilim, and think in terms of entities, thoughts, ideals, things pertaining to the manifestation of the mindset. Then hopefully, you will then get the spiritual message behind the story.
The bible is meant to relay a message to the "personal" side of life in you. If we only look at it from the outside, well then, that's all we'll get... Outside information.

Don't let the material "facts" get you bogged down. Jesus didn't use parables for nothing, you know.


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[JM]

Great post Relic, I think it's important to understand the facts for many reasons. Jesus said, before He comes back it will be like the days of Noah...what were the days of Noah like? What are the facts?

 

[Adams son]

FACT A: the Nephilim were human beings who were gigantic in stature:

I think this little phrase here is a very big clue:

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty ones who were of old, men of renown.

So we know the Nephilim were on the earth AFTER the flood. We also have Biblical evidence of the Nephilim AFTER the flood.

So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, "The land through which we have gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight." (Numbers 13:33).

The Rephaim seem to also be Nephilim as per the verse below saying Anak and his descendents were Rephaim while the verse above says they were Nephilim.

The Emim lived there formerly, a people as great, numerous, and tall as the Anakim. Like the Anakim, they are also regarded as Rephaim, but the Moabites call them Emim. (Deuteronomy 2:10-11).

For only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim. Behold, his bedstead was an iron bedstead; it is in Rabbah of the sons of Ammon. Its length was nine cubits and its width four cubits by ordinary cubit. (Deuteronomy 3:12).

The LXX refers to the Nephilim as "gigantes." Goliath was also likely a Nephilim remnant.

Then a champion came out from the armies of the Philistines named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

Hence we can see that the Nephilim were products of the "sons of God" and "daughters of men" and we can definitely rule out the notion that the Nephilim were themselves fallen angels but where men such as Anak and his descendents who were the descendents of the sons of God (fallen angels) and the daughters of men.

FACT B': the early Christians seemed to think the sons of God were fallen angels. Jews at that time also seemed to think the sons of God were fallen angels, such as Philo and Josephus.

I think the best answer to this question lies in the extra-biblical thoughts of the early Jews and Christians. And of course the following verse seems to be relevant:

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tatarus and committed them to pits/chains of darkness, reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly. (2 Peter 2:4; cf. Jude 6; see 1 Peter 3:19).


In Greek mythology we have the "Titans," the offspring of Ouranos (the Greek word for Heaven) and Gaia (the Greek word for Earth). Also consider that Zeus threw the Titans into Tartarus into chains of darkness. This seems to be most definitely the Greek parallel to the Biblical Nephilim.


Since Noah is the progenitor of all human beings, can we then conclude that he was also a Nephilim since he had to be the ancestor of Anak who was Nephilim? If not, were did the Nephilim called the Anakim come from?

 

[JM]

I didn't see Anakim listed Noah's "generations."

Titan is Satan in Hebrew.

Keep in mind the Nephilim are the offspring of fallen Angels, it's clear that not all the fallen Angels are in chains, it could have happened again.

 

[Adams son]

I didn't see Anakim listed Noah's "generations."

Titan is Satan in Hebrew.

Keep in mind the Nephilim are the offspring of fallen Angels, it's clear that not all the fallen Angels are in chains, it could have happened again.

A simple cursory review of Noah's descendency list will show you that not every single person is listed in the descendency of Noah. Also remember that the Anakim discussed in the Bible were living about 400-500 years after Noah.

You seem to insist that the Anakim were men who did not come from Noah's line. So where did the Anakim come from then?

And Titan is not Satan in Hebrew either. Where did you get this?

 

[evanman]

All people born on Earth after the flood were descendents of Noah, however not all those born before Noah were his direct ancestors.

We are all related in that we are all humans, however we are not all descendents of each other.

 

[JM]

" ...There is a strong possibility that the name Satan is of Greek
origin.
> Since that is so,
> then its etymology will be Greek and will be >Titan<, parallelling the
> known etymology of
> the name Tityrus from the form Satyrus. This etymology, like that of
Satan,
> is from the con-servative
> area of religion. The Satyrs and Satan are similarly portrayed in
art".
> see also
> J.B.Russell, Il diavolo nel mondo antico, 1989, Roma-Bari 1989
etc.
> rev. Bibbia e Oriente 173, 34 (1992), 189-190.

I did a google with the words: satan titan hebrew. I first heard it on Khouse.com. Here's another link: http://www.666beast.com/

Akinakim & Rephaim are also post flood giants. It is my conclusion, some fallen angels created more offspring with the daughters of man.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Anakim - the descendants of Anak (Josh. 11:21; Num. 13:33; Deut. 9:2). They dwelt in the south of Palestine, in the neighbourhood of Hebron (Gen. 23:2; Josh. 15:13). In the days of Abraham (Gen. 14:5, 6) they inhabited the region afterwards known as Edom and Moab, east of the Jordan. They were probably a remnant of the original inhabitants of Palestine before the Canaanites, a Cushite tribe from Babel, and of the same race as the Phoenicians and the Egyptian shepherd kings. Their formidable warlike appearance, as described by the spies sent to search the land, filled the Israelites with terror. They seem to have identified them with the Nephilim, the "giants" (Gen. 6:4; Num. 13:33) of the antediluvian age. There were various tribes of Anakim (Josh. 15:14). Joshua finally expelled them from the land, except a remnant that found a refuge in the cities of Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod (Josh. 11:22). The Philistine giants whom David encountered (2 Sam. 21:15-22) were descendants of the Anakim. (See Giants.)

 

[Adams son]

All people born on Earth after the flood were descendents of Noah, however not all those born before Noah were his direct ancestors.

We are all related in that we are all humans, however we are not all descendents of each other.

We are not discussing people who lived before the flood but the Anakim who were Nephilim AFTER the flood. They could only have one ultimate forefather and that would have to be Noah since Noah and his sons were the only men to survive the flood. Hence, one of Noah's three sons was a forefather of the Anakim making Noah the only person who could be the progenitor every human being on the face of the earth, including the Anakim.

So if these human beings, the Anakim, were Nephilim, it seems to me that it stands to reason that Noah had to be Nephilim himself.

 

[JM]

The word tamim is used for Noah, here's what Bullinger had to say:

The Hebrew word tamim means without blemish, and is the technical word for bodily and physical perfection, and not moral. Hence it is used of animals of sacrificial purity. It is rendered without blemish in Exodus 12:5; 29:1. Leviticus 1:3,10; 3:1,6; 4:3,23,28,32; 5:15,18; 6:6; 9:2,3; 14:10; 22:19; 23:12,18. Numbers 6:14; 28:19,31; 29:2,8,13,20,23,29,32,36. Ezekiel 43:22,23,25; 45:18,23; 46:4,6,13.
Without spot. Numbers 19:2; 28:3,9,11; 29:17,26.
Unified. Psalms 119:1.
This shows that Genesis 6:9 does not speak of Noah's moral perfection, but tells us that he and his family alone had preserved their pedigree and kept it pure, in spite of the prevailing corruption brought about by the fallen angels. See Appendix 23 and Appendix 25

Based on Bullingers work I don't see how Noah could be a Nephilim, it is better to conclude that more offspring came at a latter date. Noah was sparred because he was pure.

 

[Free]

I don't think the Nephilim were the product of fallen angels. There is nothing in the Bible to support the notion that angels procreate or are capable of procreating, with either each other or humans.

 

[Adams son]

Based on Bullingers work I don't see how Noah could be a Nephilim, it is better to conclude that more offspring came at a latter date. Noah was sparred because he was pure.

IF Noah was not Nephilim then where did these Nephilim AFTER the flood come from?

Or are you creating for yourself an imaginary history that more fallen angels later had children with human women after the flood without any evidence whatsoever and that God didn't bother to do anything about it this time either as He previously did by destroying them in the flood?

 

[Raphe]

Based on Bullingers work I don't see how Noah could be a Nephilim, it is better to conclude that more offspring came at a latter date. Noah was sparred because he was pure.

IF Noah was not Nephilim then where did these Nephilim AFTER the flood come from?

Or are you creating for yourself an imaginary history that more fallen angels later had children with human women after the flood without any evidence whatsoever and that God didn't bother to do anything about it this time either as He previously did by destroying them in the flood?

What would keep the devil and more angels from doing the same things but with less numbers since the flood? We don't know how many of the angels were bound because of that event, but the book of Enoch may help you there. Also, the influence of Noah on his sons was different that that of the descendants of Cain and it may have taken a few more generations for the lineage to produce a suitable host for the fallen ones?? We just do not know. Notice that the Book of Enoch also agrees with Misslars point of the demons being the spirits of the Nephilim destroyed in the flood - not fallen angels, as demons seek bodies- such as those (legion) that would rather spend seconds in a herd of swine rushing off a clift to their death than be bodiless for that short period of time.

Enoch, Book 1, Watchers 15:8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon
9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin;
10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.]
11 And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless
12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.
21:8 fire: neither its extent or magnitude could I see, nor could I conjecture. Then I said: 'How
9 fearful is the place and how terrible to look upon!' Then Uriel answered me, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'Enoch, why hast thou such fear and affright?' And
10 I answered: 'Because of this fearful place, and because of the spectacle of the pain.' And he said unto me: 'This place is the prison of the angels, and here they will be imprisoned for ever.'

Entertaining angels uaware, as spoken in Hebrews 13:2 could envolve not only good but those that are fallen - especially before the cross when satan boldly took the Lord to the top of the temple to tempt Him without asking permission.
The interesting premiss of Chuck's theme in the teaching tape at his site is "the return of the Nephilim" and how the numerous alien sightings that have been going on in the world since 1948 may be a trick of the devil for the last days when the antichrist performs his last signs and wonders before men to fools them into a huge delusion that is so that the days are shortened for the elect's sake. Chuck sets the whole thing up with statistics about alien sightings and how the world looks to these aliens in a strange fashion, as seen in movies, books, etc., and then give statistics taken from abductees about what these aliens wanted and took from them. What would Unlearned "Christians", Muslims, and Jews be looking for to worship.......power. If the antichrist has a connection with the Prince of the power of the air, might not this delusion be one of power that could fool the casual believer, as we know the devils believe and tremble....Chuck ends with telling people to put on the belt of truth, along with arming themselves with the full armor of God so they can stand in those perilous days.

 

[JM]

Khouse has produced detailed work on the alien/Nephilim connection, I done with this topic for now.

 

[evanman]

The word nephil (plural nephilim) means bully or tyrant:--giant.. it does not always mean someone of Gigantic proportions.

 

[Adams son]

The word nephil (plural nephilim) means bully or tyrant:--giant.. it does not always mean someone of Gigantic proportions.

It does not need to MEAN "giant." We know they WERE giants.

 

[Relic]

Did angels cohabit with women?
by: Garner Ted Armstrong
http://www.garnertedarmstrong.ws/soundbites/LetsTurnToGenesis6-1To8AndReadWhere.ram
11min 57sec




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