New abortion thread.

[Blazin Bones]

I made this thread just for those who have been so eager to discuss this topic Lately.

 

[Judy]

I think you should also include Sin in your choices. I believe it is a sin, but criminal? I am not to sure of that, because our laws allow for a woman to get an abortion.

 

[mh13]

it's a sin and SHOULD be a crime!

 

[Judy]

Let me also add that I think it is a crime :x I don't want anyone thinking I condone abortion... I was just stating that our laws allow for a woman to get an abortion. So in the eyes of the law it is not a crime.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

Brutus,

I think you should add that "It may be acceptable in exteme circumstance." When I say extreme cirmustance I am of course talking about the health of the mother...i.e. the mother could die.

By the way I will declare my beliefs on the "Abortion Issue" in a later post.

 

[Blazin Bones]

NPX, that's why I have the Okay at Times option.

Judy, I see what your saying. I put "sin and a crime" because it should be.
Some feel Drinking should be illegal, but it is not a crime either. That's kinda where I came from on the last Option. 8-)

 

[Dave...]

If nothing is done in the next four years, then we will continue to vote out of office the Democrats who are pro murder until it does get done. All the voters who were intimidated will no longer be intimidated because they now know that the enemy is a house of cards. What you have seen in this election is a drop in the bucket of potential voters who will vote pro life as greater numbers will come out in the next election. We will not fall asleep and be suprized, and will silently count the days till election day once again, building on our base with voters we already have that only need to be motivated and to lose their fear of the enemy. If you don't get it now, you will in four years. To the Democratic party I say this; let go and live, hold on and die.

It's not a choice, it's murder, and murder is against the law. Just because some twisted people managed to find a loop hole, doesn't make it right. It's a contradiction within our own law system, and it needs to be fixed, and will be fixed, if not now then in four years. If that's not enough then more pro murderers will lose there seats until it is done.

The uprising you witnessed in this last election pails in compairison to what will happen in the next election if there continues to be road blocks set by people who are intent on murdering babies.

 

[cubedbee]

If nothing is done in the next four years, then we will continue to vote out of office the Democrats who are pro murder until it does get done. All the voters who were intimidated will no longer be intimidated because they now know that the enemy is a house of cards. What you have seen in this election is a drop in the bucket of potential voters who will vote pro life as greater numbers will come out in the next election. We will not fall asleep and be suprized, and will silently count the days till election day once again, building on our base with voters we already have that only need to be motivated and to lose their fear of the enemy. If you don't get it now, you will in four years. To the Democratic party I say this; let go and live, hold on and die.

If nothing gets done in the next 4 years, then how exactly are you going to place the blame on the Democrats? We have a Republican president and clear Republican majorities in both the House and the Senate. The ball is entirely in the Republican's court, and if they don't do anything in the next 4 years to stop abortion, then I recommend that you quit blindly voting for the Republicans. Yes, they say they want to stop abortion, but I believe they only say that to get votes from people like you. Don't allow yourself to be manipulated--if the Republicans fail to pass major laws (or preferably a constitutional amendment) banning abortion, then you need to abandon them as a hypocritical party that is pro-life only in words, not in action. Vote pro-life if you must, but if the Republicans fail to live up to that label, then vote Constitution, a real pro-life Christian party.

 

[Dave...]

Four more seats, that's the difference. The Democratic party is drowning and holding on to a millstone called pro murder. If they let go, they will live, if they hold on to that sin, it will be their destuction.

 

[Willow]

We have a Republican president and clear Republican majorities in both the House and the Senate. The ball is entirely in the Republican's court, and if they don't do anything in the next 4 years to stop abortion, then I recommend that you quit blindly voting for the Republicans. Yes, they say they want to stop abortion, but I believe they only say that to get votes from people like you. Don't allow yourself to be manipulated--if the Republicans fail to pass major laws (or preferably a constitutional amendment) banning abortion, then you need to abandon them as a hypocritical party that is pro-life only in words, not in action. Vote pro-life if you must, but if the Republicans fail to live up to that label, then vote Constitution, a real pro-life Christian party.

Amen, cubedbee!!!!!!! :angel:
Abortion AND partial abortion is murder in the first, period.

 

[plath_fan]

I believe abortion is sinful and a crime against unborn children. It's not criminal in the sense of the law, but that just shows you how little our society values life and the potential of the unborn. They took a procedure that used to be considered abhorent and called it "an admirable choice". :-?

 

[bibleberean]

I believe abortion is sinful and a crime against unborn children. It's not criminal in the sense of the law, but that just shows you how little our society values life and the potential of the unborn. They took a procedure that used to be considered abhorent and called it "an admirable choice". :-?

Good point...

It wasn't a crime to put a Jew in the gas chamber in Germany but it was a crime just the same.

God' court is the Supreme court.
All these people that strive about words to no profit will answer to God.[/size]

2 Timothy 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

In the following post I will give my beliefs on the “Abortion Issueâ€Â

Beliefs:

For me the Abortion Issue is not about when the “glob of cells†becomes a human but the heart of the issue, the underlying cause of abortion…not taking responsibility for ones actions. Most abortions are due to the fact that two consenting adults engage in sexual intercourse and were not prepared to deal with the consequences of that act…so to avoid the problem they abort it. I am aware there are extreme cases where abortion may be an option (but one may debate there is no case where abortion is an option) but those cases are so rare it is really pointless to put that part in when arguing for or against abortion. I think that if more people would just take responsibility for their actions the abortion issue would not even be an issue at all…don’t want a kid don’t have sex, or at least use a condom (of course condoms are not 100% affective at preventing pregnancy).

Paxigoth7 made this point in the topic “October Surprise --- New Bin Laden Tape†in the Politics and Government forums:

People do not always agree on the best way to handle a problem. I think that all serious Christians agree that abortion is a problem, but do not necessarily agree on how to solve that problem. It is very tempting to say that we need the law to fix it and that making it illegal fixes the problem. However, taking pain relievers doesn't necessarily fix a real health problem. Making abortion illegal would only be a temporary fix, it wouldn't make the problem go away, it wouldn't fix it. Abortion will change when hearts change. People need to be taught abstinence at a young age. People should also be taught sexual responsibility and birth control and begin to avoid unwanted pregnancies that lead to abortion, not out of following the letter of the law, but out of doing the right thing. A nation that uses appealing laws to cover up the sickness of its people is still a sick nation.

Abortion can easily become a red herring in an election like this one if you can successfully pit people who care about babies against people who want to kill babies. It's an appeal to emotion. A lot of pro-choice Christians have accepted that 'label' not because they agree with abortion, but because it is the only other 'label' besides pro-life. When, in reality, they are really pro-lifers who disagree with other pro-lifers on what fixes things. After all, Paul said our real battle was not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities and powers. I.e., the real enemy isn't individual people who disagree about how to handle abortion, the real enemies are the demons of sexual irresponsibility and convenience. The real war isn't a culture war, it's a spiritually war, where we use prayer (and not politics) to win.

Abortion is a real serious threat. It is demonic and satanic. It is cold blooded first degree baby killing. It will be changed when people's hearts are changed through prayer and personal conversion. Our faith has to be in God and prayer, not our president.

Paxgoth7 thoughts on abortion

Note: Bolding and underlining added for emphasis by me, not in original post.

In closing I want to say that I believe that the heart of the abortion issue is due to the sexual immoral society the World lives in and the only way to change that is to continue to witness, and pray for changed hearts.

 

[bibleberean]

NocturnalX,

I appreciate your heart on the issue but we need to remember that there are two factors to consider.

For me the issue is both abortion and the underlying cause.

Not one to the exclusion of the other.

Murder, rape, incest, theft extortion, and abortion all have underlying causes.

I will preach against the underlying cause which is rebellion against God.

I will also preach against the practice of murder, rape, adultery, theft, extortion and abortion.

As far as abortion goes I am going to continue to scream "bloody murder"!

Bottom line. Abortion is murder.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

NocturnalX,

I appreciate your heart on the issue but we need to remember that there are two factors to consider.

For me the issue is both abortion and the underlying cause.

Not one to the exclusion of the other.

Murder, rape, incest, theft extortion, and abortion all have underlying causes.

I will preach against the underlying cause which is rebellion against God.

I will also preach against the practice of murder, rape, adultery, theft, extortion and abortion.

As far as abortion goes I am going to continue to scream "bloody murder"!

Bottom line. Abortion is murder.

Good points...no disagreement. The point I was making was that when I am "debating" the legalization or, as the case is for the United States, making it illegal…I always include the underlying issue...I don't think you can strip that from the argument. Making abortion illegal is only one part of the solution. Abortion is murder; it is also a selfish act.

 

[Blazin Bones]

You both are makin great points.

Berean, you do indeed need to attack the cause as well as attack the issue.

NPX, yes indeed, it is very hard to take away the cause from this issue. In murder, rape, and theft, the consequences will all come from one choice, to sin or not to sin. In abortion, there are cases of legally married couples who just don't want a child. They didn't sin be having sex, but they will be sinning if they kill the child.

This is a tricky sin to deal with, but nonetheless, it is a sin and it is murder.

 

[bibleberean]

You both are makin great points.

Berean, you do indeed need to attack the cause as well as attack the issue.

NPX, yes indeed, it is very hard to take away the cause from this issue. In murder, rape, and theft, the consequences will all come from one choice, to sin or not to sin. In abortion, there are cases of legally married couples who just don't want a child. They didn't sin be having sex, but they will be sinning if they kill the child.

This is a tricky sin to deal with, but nonetheless, it is a sin and it is murder.

Amen! :D