New Covenant Theology

[Robert Pate]

The New Covenant is radically different from the Old Covenant of laws, rules and religion. It is so different that many cannot believe or accept it. The New Covenant is based upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ. When Jesus died on the cross God tore the vail that covered the Holy of Holies from the top to the bottom, Matthew 27:51. This signified the end of the Old Covenant, the law and Judaism.

"For if that first Covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second" Hebrews 8:7.

There was a problem with the Old Covenant, no one could keep it or do it. The Old Covenant of laws, rules and religion that was given to Moses at Mount Siani was a restraint. The Jews had been in bondage to the Egyptians for over 400 hundred years. When they got out there in the wilderness they went berserk. So, God instituted the law. The law was a temporary measure until Jesus arrived, then it was abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14.

There is no need for laws, rules or religion under the New Covenant because God now sees his people as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10. Christians have lived, died and been resurrected with Jesus Christ and are spiritually "In Christ". "For you are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God" Colossians 3:3. Not many can believe that. It's over, its finished, we are "In Christ" and Christ is in heaven. Knowing this, how should we now live? Paul said, "The just (justified) shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. They live by faith in Christ and his Gospel.

The Gospel is a declaration by God that his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and now sits in heaven as, "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16. And in doing so has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. This is the good news of the Gospel and the New Covenant. There was no good news under the Old Covenant because it was a ministration of death, 2 Corinthians 3:7. It demanded perfection or death. Religion is not an indication of faith, religion is an indication of the absence of faith.

 

[Iconoclast]

Robert said;


[When they got out there in the wilderness they went berserk. So, God instituted the law.]

No...... That did not happen. God gave the law for other reasons. You really do not grasp the whole law thing.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Yet in a very stark attached reality Jesus pointed out them that under the mosaic law the people were getting away with murder.
Literally.
Under the mosaic system you actually had to kill somebody to be guilty of murder.
Under the New Covenant Jesus declared if you have unjust anger in your heart for someone you are guilty of murder.
Under the mosaic system you actually had to have sex outside of marriage to be guilty of adultery .
Jesus declared that in His taking the law to it's ultimate ends that if you look upon another in lust you are just as guilty .
The Sermon On The Mount contains some of the most condemnatory language you will find in scripture.

Mat 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

 

[Robert Pate]

Robert said;


[When they got out there in the wilderness they went berserk. So, God instituted the law.]

No...... That did not happen. God gave the law for other reasons. You really do not grasp the whole law thing.

You place your words over God's word.

I have scripture, you apparently have nothing.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yet in a very stark attached reality Jesus pointed out them that under the mosaic law the people were getting away with murder.
Literally.
Under the mosaic system you actually had to kill somebody to be guilty of murder.
Under the New Covenant Jesus declared if you have unjust anger in your heart for someone you are guilty of murder.
Under the mosaic system you actually had to have sex outside of marriage to be guilty of adultery .
Jesus declared that in His taking the law to it's ultimate ends that if you look upon another in lust you are just as guilty .
The Sermon On The Mount contains some of the most condemnatory language you will find in scripture.

Mat 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus fulfilled the law and then abolished it. "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. Where there is law there is judgment and condemnation. There is no condemnation for those that are "In Christ" Romans 8:1.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Jesus fulfilled the law and then abolished it. "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. Where there is law there is judgment and condemnation. There is no condemnation for those that are "In Christ" Romans 8:1.

Yes the OT law was gone , but sin was not.
And sin is still just as devastating & deadly today for the unbeliever .
And believer for that matter, while not at risk of losing salvation, they will suffer greatly the price of sin in this world if they deliberately partake of it .
God will not let the believer get away with unrepentant sin.
He is not mocked.
Yes ? No?

The magnified condemnation that Jesus pronounced was the magnified condemnation of sin, for those refusing the final redemption.
This is a totally different circumstance for dealing with sin than had served for God's people up to that point.
Jesus's intent of Jesus's pronouncement was to inform that so Great a Salvation was needed, because the impending doom of sin must be delt with.
The people being ignorant of the true magnitude of sin due to their living on credit .
The credit line was being canceled .
This is what Jesus meant by Fulfilment.
And part and parcel of that fulfilment was to pronounce the true nature of sin.
So who stood there and heard Him and would then refuse Him were hearing the most condemnatory language they had ever heard in regard to sin.
And every syllable of it still applies today to them that reject salvation, and to the saved unrepentant sinner as well.
No one gets away with sin.
They will find no more condemnatory language speaking to their rejection of Him than what he spoke that day .

Mat 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes the OT law was gone , but sin was not.
And sin is still just as devastating & deadly today for the unbeliever .
And believer for that matter, while not at risk of losing salvation, they will suffer greatly the price of sin in this world if they deliberately partake of it .
God will not let the believer get away with unrepentant sin.
He is not mocked.
Yes ? No?

The magnified condemnation that Jesus pronounced was the magnified condemnation of sin, for those refusing the final redemption.
This is a totally different circumstance for dealing with sin than had served for God's people up to that point.
Jesus's intent of Jesus's pronouncement was to inform that so Great a Salvation was needed, because the impending doom of sin must be delt with.
The people being ignorant of the true magnitude of sin due to their living on credit .
The credit line was being canceled .
This is what Jesus meant by Fulfilment.
And part and parcel of that fulfilment was to pronounce the true nature of sin.
So who stood there and heard Him and would then refuse Him were hearing the most condemnatory language they had ever heard in regard to sin.
And every syllable of it still applies today to them that reject salvation, and to the saved unrepentant sinner as well.
No one gets away with sin.
They will find no more condemnatory language speaking to their rejection of Him than what he spoke that day .

Mat 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Yes, sin will wreck ones life. There are over one million men in prison. Millions of homes have been broken because of adultery. Drugs are devastating the country. More alcoholics than ever.

The good news of the Gospel is that Jesus has dealt with the sins of humanity. As far as God is concerned sin, death and the devil have been defeated and Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. So that now, whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord can be saved, Romans 10:13.

 

[Mungo]

Jesus fulfilled the law and then abolished it. "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. Where there is law there is judgment and condemnation. There is no condemnation for those that are "In Christ" Romans 8:1.

You keep confusing the Mosiac Law with all law.
All law was not abolished. Some law existed before the Mosaic Law was instituted and exists after the Mosaic Law was abolished.

The New Covenant is law based as it is conditional.
You seem to believe in OSAS but we that is not true. We can lose our salvation.
See John 15:4-10
Note especially vs 10 - "If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love..."

 

[Iconoclast]

You place your words over God's word.

I have scripture, you apparently have nothing.

Hello RP,
I am glad you offer scripture on some of your posts. Looking at what you offer, I am trying to help you see where you have gone off the path...Read all posts again; isa42
21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

 

[Consecrated Life]

You keep confusing the Mosiac Law with all law.
All law was not abolished. Some law existed before the Mosaic Law was instituted and exists after the Mosaic Law was abolished.

The New Covenant is law based as it is conditional.
You seem to believe in OSAS but we that is not true. We can lose our salvation.
See John 15:4-10
Note especially vs 10 - "If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love..."

Cite one person in God's Word that God held up as an example of attaining salvation only to lose it ?
Your opinion does not count .

Rom 8:38
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Rom 8:39
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Robert Pate]

Hello RP,
I am glad you offer scripture on some of your posts. Looking at what you offer, I am trying to help you see where you have gone off the path...Read all posts again; isa42
21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

You are on the wrong bus going in the wrong direction. The law has been abolished, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4. You can't believe.

 

[Iconoclast]

You are on the wrong bus going in the wrong direction. The law has been abolished, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4. You can't believe.

Christ is where the law leads to,,,the end of the" law,for righteousness"
He kept the law perfectly...He has no need to discard it.
Gal3:24...the law leads us to, shuts us up to Christ,because he keeps it for us...not because he throws it out.
God then puts that very law in our new heart, he does not throw it out...
Love is the fulfilling of the law, love obeys the law, love to God love to neighbor is what the law requires.
To say it is abolished is antinomianism.

 

[Robert Pate]

Christ is where the law leads to,,,the end of the" law,for righteousness"
He kept the law perfectly...He has no need to discard it.
Gal3:24...the law leads us to, shuts us up to Christ,because he keeps it for us...not because he throws it out.
God then puts that very law in our new heart, he does not throw it out...
Love is the fulfilling of the law, love obeys the law, love to God love to neighbor is what the law requires.
To say it is abolished is antinomianism.

You are trying to contradict scripture with scripture. The reason that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness is because he fulfilled it, then abolished it by nailing it to his cross, Colossians 2:14. Christians are not led by laws, rules or religion, they are led by the Holy Spirit. Paul said that the law is not for a righteous man but for the unlawful and disobedient, 1 Timothy 1:9.

 

[Iconoclast]

You are trying to contradict scripture with scripture. The reason that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness is because he fulfilled it, then abolished it by nailing it to his cross, Colossians 2:14. Christians are not led by laws, rules or religion, they are led by the Holy Spirit. Paul said that the law is not for a righteous man but for the unlawful and disobedient, 1 Timothy 1:9.

Col2= ceremonial laws, no longer in effect, ie, animal sacrifices, feast days, done yes. 10 commandments are still in effect.Rom3:31
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Mungo]

Cite one person in God's Word that God held up as an example of attaining salvation only to lose it ?
Your opinion does not count .

Rom 8:38
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Rom 8:39
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I don't accept your telling me the parameters of what evidence I must produce to back up my claims.

 

[Robert Pate]

Col2= ceremonial laws, no longer in effect, ie, animal sacrifices, feast days, done yes. 10 commandments are still in effect.Rom3:31
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

We establish the law by being "In Christ". All that are "In Christ" are perfect and complete, Colossians 2:10.

To be under the law or subject to the law is to be under the curse, Galatians 3:10. Because, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those who believe" Romans 10:4.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Cite one person in God's Word that God held up as an example of attaining salvation only to lose it ?
Your opinion does not count .

Rom 8:38
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Rom 8:39
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I don't accept your telling me the parameters of what evidence I must produce to back up my claims.

The Word is the Truth.
The parameters that contain the opinion's of sinful humans hold no sway when help up to the Word of God.

 

[Mungo]

The Word is the Truth.
The parameters that contain the opinion's of sinful humans hold no sway when help up to the Word of God.

In your personal opinion.

 

[Consecrated Life]

The Word is the Truth.
The parameters that contain the opinion's of sinful humans hold no sway when help up to the Word of God.

In your personal opinion.

not mine.
God says He is the Truth.
I don't make that claim for myself .
Even within the best "parameters"

 

[Mungo]

not mine.
God says He is the Truth.
I don't make that claim for myself .
Even within the best "parameters"

I was referring to your second sentence.