New revelations on Texas school shooting

[T. E. Smith]

DPS director admits 'wrong decision' made to not enter classroom at Uvalde school shooting

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Nearly 20 officers stood in a hallway outside of the classrooms during this week's attack on a Texas elementary school for more than 45 minutes before agents used a master key to open a door and confront a gunman, authorities said Friday. Caption: News Conference: Texas...

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Astounding news has come out concerning one of the most horrific shootings in U.S. history. As it turns out, NEARLY TWENTY officers stood in a hallway just outside of the classrooms during the attack at the elementary school, and they waited there for over forty-five minutes before finally using a key to open the door.

The commander believed that the gunman was barricaded in a classroom and that the children were in no danger. Chillingly, teachers and children called 911 for help continually, including a girl who pleaded, "Please send the police now", only to be killed as the police dawdled outside.

Somehow, the shooter was able to enter the school through the propped open door with over sixteen thousand rounds of ammunition. Basically, the shooter was able to stay in a classroom full of kids for over 45 minutes as he slowly killed all of them. 19 officers were out in the hall thinking he was trapped and firing randomly. Kids inside the classroom were calling 911 and begging for help.

Consider this: the teacher and all the children in the classroom were left for dead. How can these officers live with themselves? How can they look in the mirror in the morning knowing that they had the chance to save these lives, yet did nothing? The story is nearly incomprehensible. How is it possible that the law enforcement was so horrifyingly ineffectual?

 

[jasonc]

DPS director admits 'wrong decision' made to not enter classroom at Uvalde school shooting

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Nearly 20 officers stood in a hallway outside of the classrooms during this week's attack on a Texas elementary school for more than 45 minutes before agents used a master key to open a door and confront a gunman, authorities said Friday. Caption: News Conference: Texas...

news4sanantonio.com

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Astounding news has come out concerning one of the most horrific shootings in U.S. history. As it turns out, NEARLY TWENTY officers stood in a hallway just outside of the classrooms during the attack at the elementary school, and they waited there for over forty-five minutes before finally using a key to open the door.

The commander believed that the gunman was barricaded in a classroom and that the children were in no danger. Chillingly, teachers and children called 911 for help continually, including a girl who pleaded, "Please send the police now", only to be killed as the police dawdled outside.

Somehow, the shooter was able to enter the school through the propped open door with over sixteen thousand rounds of ammunition. Basically, the shooter was able to stay in a classroom full of kids for over 45 minutes as he slowly killed all of them. 19 officers were out in the hall thinking he was trapped and firing randomly. Kids inside the classroom were calling 911 and begging for help.

Consider this: the teacher and all the children in the classroom were left for dead. How can these officers live with themselves? How can they look in the mirror in the morning knowing that they had the chance to save these lives, yet did nothing? The story is nearly incomprehensible. How is it possible that the law enforcement was so horrifyingly ineffectual?

There are arguments and examples of both sides on this.

 

[T. E. Smith]

There are arguments and examples of both sides on this.

I did not argue for or against a policy though.

 

[jasonc]

I did not argue for or against a policy though.

No but it's revelant in that one side will argue that since cops can't protect us a teacher or armed person could and something similar night happen anyway .

19 cops,seriously they could have go in unless it was to wait for that extraction team .which might be the case .

I know locally the so and pd train for this and have swat respond .locally a fight occured and the so went in and took control and pd and the so had the street cordoned off. A team of five went in and quelled the fighting with riot control .

 

[Niblo]

No but it's revelant in that one side will argue that since cops can't protect us a teacher or armed person could and something similar night happen anyway .

A team of five went in and quelled the fighting with riot control .

This wasn't 'fighting'. This wasn't a 'riot'. This was the premeditated slaughter of 19 kids and their teachers. Lives that the police did nothing to protect. A wee bit of much too little, much too late, don't you think?

 

[jasonc]

This wasn't 'fighting'. This wasn't a 'riot'. This was the premeditated slaughter of 19 kids and their teachers. Lives that the police did nothing to protect. A wee bit of much too little, much too late, don't you think?

I said that in my state .are all cops swat?

Are all combat vets actually proficient in Mobil operations urban terrain ?
Answer no

A ranger,mp,and infantry are .and a few that did it as ad hoc.

A naval nuclear nuclear specialist who deployed to the red sea in support of a oef or oif is a vet by the VA .but not exactly good at that let alone trained in small arms .

A civilian who may own a gun but never trained in a shoot house with it's way of teaching you his chaotic a close quarter fight where kids runn ,guns are heard ,you must verify target in seconds and what not might also simply shoot the other guy in a room who is clearing it .

I'm not saying what is right but also waiting for the full details as well ,I was an mp and deployed ,taught much by cops who were swat ,some weren't .I learned how well the media isn't good at facts and to wait on things .

This doesn't mean the cops are always perfect just to show when people who have just a ccl that well shooting 10 rounds once would enable my wife to carry but ask her to clear the rooms of a house and hear gun shots and kids running and etc on the next day night not be a good idea.

You can pay for that training .

This is what I meant by arguments for and against for both sides.

 

[jasonc]

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Also never assume a simple riot won't require lethal force .

Prison riots often can get deadly .

There are ,in my area,local shoot houses ,indoor ranges,like that .

I have done some of it to deploy overseas.
How many ccl owners do this?

My step daughter has one ,she hasn't I told her she should continue training on that pistol .

Due to my level PTSD it's not wise I become a cop . Some but not all
Vets can become useful in this situation.
Swat teams and the jail crt teams train on this stuff and that's why I said about my county . Perhaps the school local authorities failed or it was policy and a bad one at that to wait for the local swat to go in.

I can't say until it's made known .

 

[jasonc]

Fight at North Carolina high school ends in deadly shooting

A fistfight between two North Carolina high school students turned deadly on Monday when one of them pulled out a handgun and fired at the other in a crowded hallway before the start of classes, authorities said.

www.reuters.com

 

[Corn Pop]

As soon as I heard the news what happened it made me sick I dry reached I was disturbed. I cannot even imagine the trauma some are going though especially who witness the situation, that's a deep scar and PTSD. Deeply disturbing situation. They need prayer and support .

 

[Edward]

What a bunch of pussy cops. Uh theres shots being fired we better not go in we could get hurt....derrrr. Shots firing means what? Kids are being shot: the wole team goes and rushes in. The had 19 cops in the hallway all armed to the teeth listening to kids being executed. Every oe of them should be sent to prison for deriliction of duty.

You wanted to be a cop? Ok, so go save the kids! A single gunman an 18 yr old kid against 19 cops and wins.
Prison.

 

[Edward]

How many ccl owners do this?

I did in Colorado frequently. Not so much here.

But I'm not ccl. I have always veen cc, but never ccl. When that time came that it was possible, I had to make a choice. If I accepted the license from then it would set a legal precedent that they are able to confer this right to me. Because if they can can confer that right to me then they can also take it away again....and they would have legal precedent of taking back what they gave. And so I do not recognize where they are able to grant me this right one way or the other. 2nd Admendment. I'm at about 37 years of cc and I haven't shot anybody yet! And I've never had a gun charge. SO I'm winning!

 

[T. E. Smith]

What a bunch of pussy cops. Uh theres shots being fired we better not go in we could get hurt....derrrr. Shots firing means what? Kids are being shot: the wole team goes and rushes in. The had 19 cops in the hallway all armed to the teeth listening to kids being executed. Every oe of them should be sent to prison for deriliction of duty.

You wanted to be a cop? Ok, so go save the kids! A single gunman an 18 yr old kid against 19 cops and wins.
Prison.

The police spokesman defended them by saying the cops were afraid they could have gotten shot. What?! Of course! That's why your a cop, to put yourself in danger to protect others.

 

[jasonc]

I did in Colorado frequently. Not so much here.

But I'm not ccl. I have always veen cc, but never ccl. When that time came that it was possible, I had to make a choice. If I accepted the license from then it would set a legal precedent that they are able to confer this right to me. Because if they can can confer that right to me then they can also take it away again....and they would have legal precedent of taking back what they gave. And so I do not recognize where they are able to grant me this right one way or the other. 2nd Admendment. I'm at about 37 years of cc and I haven't shot anybody yet! And I've never had a gun charge. SO I'm winning!

The idea of training by putting yourself into a heated simulation is to train proper reactions .

Room clearing is very hard with a long rifle .you wear out faster,add gear etc it's not easy for an out of shape person

 

[jasonc]

You cant argue that the average person would and a cop wouldn't if you don't at least find out and even if so we are asking civilians to protect ,if they fail they can't be held liablele?

There are plenty of scared gun owner types who I sense wouldn't be able to handle war .

 

[Barbarian]

Incidentally, there was a mom outside the school who was so angry and verbally scornful to the police who were just standing there, letting the killing go on, that they cuffed her. When a supervisor made them release her, she jumped a fence, ran into the school, and rescued her two kids.

Police decided not to arrest her for violating their perimeter. Wise move, I think. The jury would have given her a medal.

 

[Barbarian]

The head of the Texas Rangers, actually tried to scapegoat a teacher who called 911, claiming that she had left a door open for the shooter to enter. In fact, security cameras show her closing the door (which for some reason failed to lock, as it was designed to do).

When the facts were leaked by someone from the school, there was much backpedalling and excuses being offered.

Uvalde teacher wrongly accused by police of leaving school door open is ‘heartbroken’, her lawyer says

Uvalde teacher wrongly accused by police of leaving school door open is ‘heartbroken’, her lawyer says

‘It’s traumatic for her when it’s insinuated that she’s involved, [that she left] the door open’

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A mother who was handcuffed outside the Texas school shooting later ran into the school and pulled her two children to safety: report​

A mother who was handcuffed outside the Texas school shooting later ran into the school and pulled her two children to safety: report

"The police were doing nothing," a mother of students at the Texas school where the shooting took place told WSJ. "They were just standing outside the fence."

news.yahoo.com

This is what happens in a one-party state. Corruption and incompetence abounds in Texas government.

 

[Barbarian]

The police spokesman defended them by saying the cops were afraid they could have gotten shot. What?! Of course! That's why your a cop, to put yourself in danger to protect others.

There were kids in the room, calling out on their phones, begging for help. Police knew this. They were just scared. These guys:

 

[Edward]

The head of the Texas Rangers, actually tried to scapegoat a teacher who called 911, claiming that she had left a door open for the shooter to enter. In fact, security cameras show her closing the door (which for some reason failed to lock, as it was designed to do).

When the facts were leaked by someone from the school, there was much backpedalling and excuses being offered.

Uvalde teacher wrongly accused by police of leaving school door open is ‘heartbroken’, her lawyer says​

Uvalde teacher wrongly accused by police of leaving school door open is ‘heartbroken’, her lawyer says

‘It’s traumatic for her when it’s insinuated that she’s involved, [that she left] the door open’

news.yahoo.com

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A mother who was handcuffed outside the Texas school shooting later ran into the school and pulled her two children to safety: report​

A mother who was handcuffed outside the Texas school shooting later ran into the school and pulled her two children to safety: report

"The police were doing nothing," a mother of students at the Texas school where the shooting took place told WSJ. "They were just standing outside the fence."

news.yahoo.com

This is what happens in a one-party state. Corruption and incompetence abounds in Texas government.

What is it with the cops in Texas? They're a bunch of cowards. I thought they was supposed to be bad asses, Texas! Everybody gotta 45...

And some young Mother had to go rescue her own kids? Bravo for her. I think that's what the Bible terms, Great Faith.

I wonder if she was armed, or just went for it, all out in spirit! Mama Bear, Lol! Get out of my way SWAT!!!

 

[jasonc]

The head of the Texas Rangers, actually tried to scapegoat a teacher who called 911, claiming that she had left a door open for the shooter to enter. In fact, security cameras show her closing the door (which for some reason failed to lock, as it was designed to do).

When the facts were leaked by someone from the school, there was much backpedalling and excuses being offered.

Uvalde teacher wrongly accused by police of leaving school door open is ‘heartbroken’, her lawyer says

Uvalde teacher wrongly accused by police of leaving school door open is ‘heartbroken’, her lawyer says

‘It’s traumatic for her when it’s insinuated that she’s involved, [that she left] the door open’

news.yahoo.com

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A mother who was handcuffed outside the Texas school shooting later ran into the school and pulled her two children to safety: report​

A mother who was handcuffed outside the Texas school shooting later ran into the school and pulled her two children to safety: report

"The police were doing nothing," a mother of students at the Texas school where the shooting took place told WSJ. "They were just standing outside the fence."

news.yahoo.com

This is what happens in a one-party state. Corruption and incompetence abounds in Texas government.

The duopoly is just that .
That said ,the VA isn't better under any party


The ww2 vets warned the nam vets about it ,the nam vets say the same to my generation .

The nam vets started local self support here and slowly the next generation falls in.

I don't attend any local official VA support group ,I wouldn't feel right as anything I say can and will be used against me .

Not so at the local group.
They won't cut benefits if I function better ,PTSD is never cured but managed.it can be in control or controlling you.
In a matter of seconds it can switch and stay for a season .

 

[Edward]

There were kids in the room, calling out on their phones, begging for help. Police knew this. They were just scared. These guys:

That's them, huh? I bet there does not exist a place to leave reviews about this Department or it's swat team! Bet you!

Can you say, group prosecution? They wouldn't even back up the Mama Bear! Dude, she needs a paycheck.