--No Gospel Without Conditions--

[John the Baptist]

There is just no such thing as an Condition/less Gospel!!! It is that plain & simple. Otherwise, why does one see the Revelation 17:5 ones, and many 'broad way' ones of Matthew 7:13-16 with fruits of everything under the sun to read & study except the Word of God? Tradition & the arm of flesh!

And ALL of these ones are in denial of the Grace of Christ to live within the boundaries of this Eternal Universal Covenant of Obedience!! Philippians 4:13 with 2 Corinthians 12:9 And soon for them follow's 2 Peter 2:17-22 (notice that some of these ones even believe that this is pope Peter speaking to them alone!)

---John

 

[unred typo]

True. This is one that explains simply who are the children of God:

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[John the Baptist]

True. This is one that explains simply who are the children of God:

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

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John here:
Good verse! And it surely does say just that. Notice Isaiah 5 and what God has documented. I will only give 1-8 and mention the 'conditional' Truth as God prophesied for the future.

[1] Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:

Surely we know that God (Christ) only had one True Virgin Fold that was His? John 10:16, Ephesians 4:5. And 'forum', do not get this mixed up, we are talking of Doctrinal Truth, not verse five yet, that will follow.. where Christ is the one rejected!

[2] And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.

What more could He had done?? We are told later on, that He came to Israel Himself, and the prophecy was fulfilled that is seen here! Luke 20:13-16 is Documented!

[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.

Verse 7 needs reading here for what the 'vineyard' is. It includes only the Virgin doctrinal 2 Timothy 3:17 Fold (as in one!) of Ephesians 4:5. It is the ALL of Israel who reject Christ when He came [except] for the Remnant who followed Christ [OUT] of the VINEYARD! Matthew 25:5-6. The Midnight Cry is answered for us as documented in Matthew 10:5-38.
From the 'shaking of Israel' and the required 'separation' called the 'falling AWAY'. Yet, it is of great importance to take notice of this documentation, of whom it is that left whom!!?? So, the question is answered for who, or which one Old Israel Choose! They killed the Christ/God/Master, of His vineyard, and kept a Christ/less set of 'useless' Doctrines! But NEVER ARE CHRISTS DOCTRINES USELESS WHEN HE IS GOD OF HIS DOCTRINES!! It takes Both, it is impossible to separate either, and have Christ! (2 Corinthians 3:3) It takes both to have ETERNAL GOSPEL, and HIS ETERNAL COVENANT! Revelation 14:6 & Hebrews 13:20

[4] What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?

Nothing could be done more! We see in Luke 16:31 where Christ states this fact! It was He that did arise from the dead, and nothing even then persuaded them who would not be persuaded. Even notice John 12:42-43 where these ones BELIEVED, and still choose the Fold over Christ, and the reason why. And God asks what is new? It is the same today as it was prophesied them, the Holy Spirit just cannot get the Revelation 17:5 ones to budge! : (But, these ones are not the ones to even be considered in this truth! There is nothing Virgin about these folds doctrines!)

[5] And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:

Here is the 70 AD slaughter foretold. It was some 39 years from the Midnight Cry. Ezekiel 9 foretells of this and also the Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15 repeat. (but these last ones are not old Israel) The next two verses tell one the documented Truth about Israel.

[6] And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

[7] For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

[8] Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth!

[9] In mine ears said the LORD of hosts, Of a truth many houses shall be desolate, even great and fair, without inhabitant.

This verse finds only a Remnant who started up the new fold of Acts on.
But the universe can see that old Israel's house (FOLD) became D-E-S-O-L-A-T-E of Christ, and a new commander in chief took over, huh?

 

[unred typo]

Very good post, John. I reminds me of another verse:

Romans 11:21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

The church is very close to that apostate state with a gospel of belief in belief and not works of faith, wouldn't you say? :o

 

[John the Baptist]

Very good post, John. I reminds me of another verse:

Romans 11:21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

The church is very close to that apostate state with a gospel of belief in belief and not works of faith, wouldn't you say? :o

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What church? ;-) We will know them by their 'fruit'. A good tree, will NEVER require Caesars force, & censor, huh?
--John

 

[unred typo]

What church? :wink: We will know them by their 'fruit'. A good tree, will NEVER require Caesars force, & censor, huh?

Another good point. You’re right on target, John.

 

[John the Baptist]

What church? :wink: We will know them by their 'fruit'. A good tree, will NEVER require Caesars force, & censor, huh?

Another good point. You’re right on target, John.

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Hi again. The site here seems to be, being taken over by 'mods' galore?? It seems that one never knows when the attack dogs are about to bite?

Anyway, I was wondering if you know of any sites left that allow freedom from censor? (within legal & scriptural Wordings)

If you do, how about email-ing them to me to check out?

pastornb@bellsouth.net

We are getting up there in age, and my wife & myself believe in Freedom of Religion and speech. The Lord only knows how many over the years have died for this God Given Blessing of the USA? (and sure, it will go from lamb/like to dragon/like soon enough) And we also know that it does cost much!

Who could have a clear conscience with their 'will' supporting such sad forced stuff?

--John the 'aged'! :fadein:

 

[John the Baptist]

The Godhead Before The Cross

The Holy Spirit was active in creation as seen in Gen. 1. Yet, even in the old testament Christ (as God) was with His chosen ones. He was in the cloud by day & a pillar of fire night. Paul tells us that he would not want us to be ignorant! See 1 Corinthians 10:1-3! And in Neh. 9:6-15 we see there something that needs reading & study! We see that it was this Christ that came down on Mt. Sinai and gave the ten commandments & maddest know the holy Sabbath, (+, and notice!) and commanded them precepts, statutes, and laws, (also) [BY THE HAND OF MOSES:"]

All of this was done by Christ here on earth in the Old Testament!
Now: When Christ sent the Holy Spirit back to earth after His resurrection, His primary duty was to uphold Christ! Jesus stated that 'He would not testify of Himself'.

Now for the 'MATURE' unpardonable sin?? 1 John 5:16-17 Noah preached for an 120 years! The Ark's door of probation did what? The DOOR WAS SHUT! They were given ample time. And in Genesis 4:7 we see Christ the Word (which was on earth) speak at least by voice to Cain. Cain was told that all that he needed to do was.. 'DO WELL' and that he would be accepted. This was his MATURE face to face encounter against Obedience to Christ. And who became Cain's desire from then on? Probation closed for Cain!

One could go on & on, including Matt. 25's Virgin Fold seen with a probational [CLOSED DOOR]! But, perhaps King Saul is an 'eye' opener for some? He started out very humble. Then as he matured, he made wrong decisions and matured in the opposite direction. But notice 1 Sam. 10:6
"And the Spirit of the Lord [will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, AND THOU SHALT BE TURNED INTO ANOTHER MAN." And in verse 9 it says that God gave him [ANOTHER HEART]! See 2 Corinthians 3:3 & Hebrews 10:15-16.

Converted for sure! Yet, we hear all kinds of 'saved forever'? Or once saved always saved postings today. Or, ONLY Believe But, so far with not even considering the earlier passages, Saul looked to be in that class of ones, huh? (also compare the John 12:42-43 real believers!)

First, again remember the message from Christ to Cain. He rejected the Word of Christ in 'maturity'. But the important issue is who it was that NOW took over his rule? (whose DESIRE had he now?-satan) Ok, back to King Saul. We saw that he became a changed man, BORN AGAIN! And this can ONLY happen by Obedience! See Acts 5:32-Matt. 28:20.

In 1 Sam. 16:14 we see the COMPLETE TRUTH! Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant are C-O-N-D-I-T-I-O-N-A-L!! (See Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20 for EVERLASTING) The 'inspired Word says' "But the Spirit of the Lord [DEPARTED] from Saul, *AND AN [EVIL SPIRIT] ... troubled him" (Just like Cain)

One needs to read all of Sauls life history to see why Saul was rejected. Chapter 28 is a real eye/opener for the sincere Christian. Read from verse 3 on. Samuel, the prophet of the Lord was dead & Saul was in deep trouble! But God would have NOTHING to do with Saul, so who did he [now] go to for advice? His probation was over & he had chosen a 'new' leader! Who spoke through the witch??? (See Rev. 3:9 for new leaders)

---John

 

[John the Baptist]

God Created me! Now, who do I obey & worship? Romans 8:1

OK: We (me) Obey? Or do I? or are we all having differant 'Leadings' of the Holy Ghost? Or.. the Genesis 6:3 'Strivings of the Holy Ghost' finds me Grieving & Quenching Him??? 1 Thessalonians 5:19-Ephesians 4:30

Wow! You mean that I fight & 'kick against His pricks'??? (of conscience) Acts 9:4-6 Who, me that really BELIEVETH, huh? LORD, I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU, but....! :robot:

I had read this years ago, and had often in the past wondered if a knowledge of Truth alone was enough? You know, 'conviction' on what God requires, with no OBEDIENCE? Is Acts 5:32 not un/conditional in other words! And even then, when one has the Holy Spirit, how much Love for Christ is required??? See the 'Spewed out' ones of Revelation 3:16-17 who make Christ sick????????

OK: Here is what I had read: (I will underline some points that I think are extra important to me)
It comes from Dr. E.T. Hiscox, author of the Baptist Manual. It is a report of his sermon at the Baptist Minister's Convention, in the New York Examiner, (way back) November 16, 1893.

"To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' discussion with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question, discussing it in some of its various aspects, freeing it from its false (Jewish traditional) glosses, never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during the forty days of His resurection life, no such thing was initimated. Nor, so far as we know, did the Spirit, which was given to bring to their remembrance all things whatsoever that He had said unto them, deal with this question. Nor yet did the inspired apostles, in preaching the gospel, founding churches, counseling and instructing those founded, discuss or approach the subject.

Of course I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in the early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it cames branded with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the sun-god, then adopted and sanctified by the Papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism."

OK: Does all of that documented convicted of the Holy Spirit Knowledge, do the job for OBEDIENCE? Read again Christ's Words of Luke 12:47-48 & then again read Romans 8:14 & verse one of Romans 8:1 with an Conditional 'IN' CHRIST.

---John

 

[lovely]

Hi John,

Interesting thread. John 14:15 comes to my mind. " If ye love me, keep my commandments. " 1 John 3 as well...

"1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. "

The Lord bless both of you.