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Douglas Summers

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Once saved always saved. This phrase is not found in Scripture nor is it taught as such in the core doctrine of Christ. Many denominations and cults such as C of C, Freewill Baptist,, and LDS use this phrase to give the impression that those who trust in Christ for eternal security (Heb. 13: 5-6) or to save us to the uttermost. (Heb. 7: 24-25) can sin willfully after being saved with no consequences. As Satan deceived Eve in the Garden by taking God's word and putting a change in it's command as to cause eve to question what God meant. Read in Genesis what God told Eve and what Satan told Eve what God meant. (Gen. 2:15- 3:-6)' And so it is with self-willed worshipers. Their teaching and influence is not from God.

I asked a question in another thread (How Far Would You Go?) to save your child from the corruption and increase in evil in this world. I only got a few responses, but they agreed they would always be there and would never abdomen them to the end, quoting Scripture on how they loved their children.

So I ask you. if we would give all to save our children from this world, would not God in Jesus Christ be able to save us even more so, (are we not His children, rather, son's of God). For there is no greater love then God's love. You must be born again. Without rebirth you can not belong to Christ. You don't join the Church (body of Christ), you are called according to His purpose.(Rom. 8: 28-39) And if God is for us, there can be no force anywhere that can conquer us..........no where!

The visible Church is a mixture of wheat and tares, Believers and non believers, Many of the warnings to the Church in Scripture are to the tares and non believers, and are mistaken for believers by those who study the Bible. The perseverance in the Scripture of (Matt. 24: 11-14) is to those who are going through the tribulation. This is not to the Church, and this is not about Salvation, it is about being saved of the persecution by the Lord's return.

Yes, we all must persevere (The Church) but (not to be saved) , but to put on the full armor of God against the whiles of the Devil. For those who believe that God can not save them unless by trial preserver for their salvation, make God out to be a liar, as Satan suggested to Eve in the Garden.
(John 10: 27-30)
In Him that will deliver, thou I'am unworthy. Bless His Holy Name.
Douglas Summers
 
Douglas Summers said:
Once saved always saved. This phrase is not found in Scripture nor is it taught as such in the core doctrine of Christ. Many denominations and cults such as C of C, Freewill Baptist,, and LDS use this phrase to give the impression that those who trust in Christ for eternal security (Heb. 13: 5-6) or to save us to the uttermost. (Heb. 7: 24-25) can sin willfully after being saved with no consequences.
(John 10: 27-30)
In Him that will deliver, thou I'am unworthy. Bless His Holy Name.
Douglas Summers
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Both "once saved always saved" and the term "rapture of the Church" are not found in any greek manuscript.
Yet, both are true.

The reason that a lot of people have issue with OSAS, is because they believe or follow someone who believes that a person who believes in Eternal Security, also believes that this is a free ticket to live an unholy life.
As in...."ok, i cant lose it so now i can do anything"... in other words, "no consequence for sinning", = for living a life that disrespects the cross, disrespect the Savior, etc.

However, it would be a very small cult and certainly not one of the mainline denoms (who believe in OSAS) and believe you can sin without consequence once you are born again.

The fact is, OSAS is not a ticket to sin, its rather a freedom from the heavy burden of misunderstanding God's Grace.
And it is a heavy burden to walk around as a Christian worried about losing your salvation simply because you have not understood the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
Carrying the weight of your salvation on your own back, has to be the worst of all, and its not what God provided, its only what some choose to carry.

The fact is, a OSAS person understands the consequences of a habitual lifestyle of sin.
WE know the consequences of Hebrews 12:6.
We know that a person cant lose their eternal life, but they can lose their testimony, their witness, their ministry, their health, their family, and even their life as a consequence of not trying to maintain a life of Holiness before God.
WE know all that, even tho we know we cant lose our salvation.
An OSAS person ultimately has also understood that the last thing we want to do is die, then meet Jesus, and all we can do is be ashamed about a life we lived that was not pleasing to Him.
But, thats the same situation for those who believe they can lose their salvation.....so, in this case, we are of the same mind.
 
Matthew 24:10-15 (NASB)
10 At that time many will [a]fall away and will [b]betray one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 Because lawlessness is increased, [c]most people’s love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole [d]world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
 
Kidron said:
Both "once saved always saved" and the term "rapture of the Church" are not found in any greek manuscript.
Yet, both are true.

The reason that a lot of people have issue with OSAS, is because they believe or follow someone who believes that a person who believes in Eternal Security, also believes that this is a free ticket to live an unholy life.
As in...."ok, i cant lose it so now i can do anything"... in other words, "no consequence for sinning", = for living a life that disrespects the cross, disrespect the Savior, etc.

However, it would be a very small cult and certainly not one of the mainline denoms (who believe in OSAS) and believe you can sin without consequence once you are born again.

The fact is, OSAS is not a ticket to sin, its rather a freedom from the heavy burden of misunderstanding God's Grace.
And it is a heavy burden to walk around as a Christian worried about losing your salvation simply because you have not understood the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
Carrying the weight of your salvation on your own back, has to be the worst of all, and its not what God provided, its only what some choose to carry.

The fact is, a OSAS person understands the consequences of a habitual lifestyle of sin.
WE know the consequences of Hebrews 12:6.
We know that a person cant lose their eternal life, but they can lose their testimony, their witness, their ministry, their health, their family, and even their life as a consequence of not trying to maintain a life of Holiness before God.
WE know all that, even tho we know we cant lose our salvation.
An OSAS person ultimately has also understood that the last thing we want to do is die, then meet Jesus, and all we can do is be ashamed about a life we lived that was not pleasing to Him.
But, thats the same situation for those who believe they can lose their salvation.....so, in this case, we are of the same mind.
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AMEN!
 
Ph8th said:
Matthew 24:10-15 (NASB)
10 At that time many will [a]fall away and will [b]betray one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 Because lawlessness is increased, [c]most people’s love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole [d]world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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We all know the scripture, did you forget the Life Applicaqtion or some other point?
 
th1b.taylor said:
We all know the scripture, did you forget the Life Applicaqtion or some other point?
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No point brother....... nor did I forget anything ........... I understand the scripture very well.
I just posted a scripture. Unsure what got under your skin.
 
Ph8th said:
No point brother....... nor did I forget anything ........... I understand the scripture very well.
I just posted a scripture. Unsure what got under your skin.
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You have not added to the conversation but nothing got under my skin, that would be reason to fight and no thank you! I ain't killed one single person since just before Thanksgiving, 1969. And I was trained that in a fight, you drop the opponent and move to the next one. Even the NVA didn't like the way I fight and I try never to get mad any more. And except you begin to kill my family or my men, I have zero reason to fight now.

I just was wondering what you wanted to be understood by all.
 
WOW! I posted a scripture and you are talking about killing. If the scripture offends I will ask the mods to remove it.
 
Kidron said:
Both "once saved always saved" and the term "rapture of the Church" are not found in any greek manuscript.
Yet, both are true.

The reason that a lot of people have issue with OSAS, is because they believe or follow someone who believes that a person who believes in Eternal Security, also believes that this is a free ticket to live an unholy life.
As in...."ok, i cant lose it so now i can do anything"... in other words, "no consequence for sinning", = for living a life that disrespects the cross, disrespect the Savior, etc.

However, it would be a very small cult and certainly not one of the mainline denoms (who believe in OSAS) and believe you can sin without consequence once you are born again.

The fact is, OSAS is not a ticket to sin, its rather a freedom from the heavy burden of misunderstanding God's Grace.
And it is a heavy burden to walk around as a Christian worried about losing your salvation simply because you have not understood the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
Carrying the weight of your salvation on your own back, has to be the worst of all, and its not what God provided, its only what some choose to carry.

The fact is, a OSAS person understands the consequences of a habitual lifestyle of sin.
WE know the consequences of Hebrews 12:6.
We know that a person cant lose their eternal life, but they can lose their testimony, their witness, their ministry, their health, their family, and even their life as a consequence of not trying to maintain a life of Holiness before God.
WE know all that, even tho we know we cant lose our salvation.
An OSAS person ultimately has also understood that the last thing we want to do is die, then meet Jesus, and all we can do is be ashamed about a life we lived that was not pleasing to Him.
But, thats the same situation for those who believe they can lose their salvation.....so, in this case, we are of the same mind.
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Hi Kidron, Isn't that what I just said.
 
This is like a bad scene in a Monty Python movie. I was just accused of trying to start a fight because I posted a scripture. Bill what was it you did not agree with about the scripture? Was it some how not in agreement with your theology? Rollo what is it I did to you? That scripture came to mind when I read the post so I put it out there....... Some how I knew it was going to demand reaction I even told Reba it would before hand. People on this site get along nicely as long as they agree with the clique. edited reba. Maybe that will bring some peace to my visits here.

be blessed
peter
 
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Ph8th,
I have done no such thing. I did try to interject a certain amount of humor, as did Reba. Partner, you cannot run around with your feeling on your shirt cuff. All that will ever result in is your feelings being injured, just as has happened, right here.

I use a good deal of military references that tick a lot of people off but what I know best is the military when it was filled with Professional fighting Men. I was raised by a War Hero that wore the Purple Heart, the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and more other War Decorations than could ever fit on his uniform and I have more love for the men that put it where it counts than I do for my own blood relatives, I am military, period.

All I had hoped for was your realization that posting a scripture to back a point you wish to make without giving the intended Life Application will cause you much more grief than you will ever wish to contend with. From your reaction here, it looks as if you, might, should have figured this out some time ago. The truth is you can post a scripture, let ten people read it and get fourteen different interpretations and twenty-five different Life Applications followed by repetitive, I am right and you are wrong replies. Praying you can get past this.
 
Ph8th said:
This is like a bad scene in a Monty Python movie. I was just accused of trying to start a fight because I posted a scripture. Bill what was it you did not agree with about the scripture? Was it some how not in agreement with your theology? Rollo what is it I did to you? That scripture came to mind when I read the post so I put it out there....... Some how I knew it was going to demand reaction I even told Reba it would before hand. People on this site get along nicely as long as they agree with the clique. edited reba. Maybe that will bring some peace to my visits here.

be blessed
peter
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