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No Man Should Be Called Reverend

Lewis

Lewis

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I do not like to call people reverend first of all it is only in the Bible in one place and that is Psalms 111:9 and if my memory serves me right the Catholics were the first to use that to desribe a man. Even my pastor' will not let you call him reverend. It is a improper name to call any man.

Psalm 111:9 (King James Version)
9He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.


So as you can see no man should be called that.
 
I will agree to that. Ideally speaking we are all nothing more than brothers and sisters in Christ according to the verse below -

Matthew 23:8 - But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

These are the Designations or Titles which Denominational Churches have given to their Members in different Leadership Levels in order that other Members may respect them or consider them as Authority.

The Designation or Title in itself has nothing much to do with the Spiritual Growth of the individual. It is an earthly Designation or Title and may or may not be recognised in heaven.

You can be a Reverend or Pastor and yet a shallow or mediocre christian. You can be a Reverend or Pastor and also an excellent christian.

It is not a sin to have such Designations or Titles, but they can be a hindrance for those who want to live a much deeper christian life. This is because there is a danger of being lifted-up with pride whenever people refer us with such a Designation or Title. And once a christian is given such a Designation or Title, he may not avoid being called or referred to with the given Designation or Title. This could be the reason why Jesus would have mentioned to his disciples and followers to avoid being called with or to avoid having Titles such as Rabbi, Reverend, Pastor, Master, Instructor etc. But, then if we can remain humble even when we are referred with such Designations or Titles, then there is no hindrance or danger imo.

If we are truly christian we would be least bothered about being called as a Reverend or a Pastor or a Rabbi, but would be zealous to follow and grow in Christ.
 
It is grammatically incorrect; other than that, I think it's nitpicking and trifling.

I will call a Rabbi, 'Rabbi.'
I will call a Priest, 'Father.'
I will call a Minister, 'Pastor'

To do otherwise is uncouth and disrespectful. That is their title, and they are deserving of it.
 
Steve said:
It is grammatically incorrect; other than that, I think it's nitpicking and trifling.

I will call a Rabbi, 'Rabbi.'
I will call a Priest, 'Father.'
I will call a Minister, 'Pastor'

To do otherwise is uncouth and disrespectful. That is their title, and they are deserving of it.
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There is nothing wrong in calling a Rabbi as Rabbi, or a Priest as a Father or Priest, or a Minister as a Minister or a Pastor. For this is good according to the 2 verses below -

Philippians 2:3 - Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

1 Peter 2:17 - Honour all men.

But whether a Christian prefers to be called as a Reverend or Priest or Father or Pastor or Minister is his personal opinion. There are some Christians who were and are spiritually far better than some Reverends or Priests or Pastors and they chose not to receive any such Titles as a matter of personal opinion. And everyone are entitled to have their opinions until they want to change any of their opinions.
 
Psalm 111:9 (King James Version)
9He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
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Now should man be called that ? That verse is talking about God' not a man. And that is the only place in the Bible where reverend is used. And the other name The Right Reverend, it's all wrong. These are the names that the Catholics started calling men. And the Protestants got it from them. And or brought it with them when they broke from the Catholics.
 
Lewis W said:
Psalm 111:9 (King James Version)
9He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
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Now should man be called that ? That verse is talking about God' not a man. And that is the only place in the Bible where reverend is used. And the other name The Right Reverend, it's all wrong. These are the names that the Catholics started calling men. And the Protestants got it from them. And or brought it with them when they broke from the Catholics.
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Are you saying that all of these PH.D.'s called Rev's, are not reverend? But that only God is? How about calling them Christians then??? Remember, (forum) they claim to be called of God, right?

You need to get across to us'ins that they are 'the Arm of Flesh'.. How one would let another man or woman kneel before him & kiss his ring defies all of even professed Christianity!!! :robot: See Peter in Acts 10:25-26 & Revelation 22:8-9 for what some call nit/picking?

It is bewitching how folks today will study & search for their 'idol' who even at the time of printing reams & reams of junk 'ignorantly', & are now dead, (even from years back) who might have been doing the very best of their God 'sent' Truth, and living up to that knowledge, but were still in error. And here some come and eat up every word of the error as it were for Truth! (Hosea 4:6) :robot:

Some even call it 'traditional truth' when it defies the Word of the Godhead completely! :crying:
---John
 
Are you saying that all of these PH.D.'s called Rev's, are not reverend? But that only God is? How about calling them Christians then??? Remember, (forum) they claim to be called of God, right?
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Yeah thats what I'm saying. But they call themselves that though, but many have got away from that.
 
I kiss the Bishop's ring out of respect for his Office. I don't genuflect like they used to. But, shaking his hand is ok. I was brought up to kiss the ring, and I do so. And won't stop, either. I see nothing wrong with it.
 
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I kiss the Bishop's ring out of respect for his Office. I don't genuflect like they used to. But, shaking his hand is ok. I was brought up to kiss the ring, and I do so. And won't stop, either. I see nothing wrong with it.
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Steve said:
I kiss the Bishop's ring out of respect for his Office. I don't genuflect like they used to. But, shaking his hand is ok. I was brought up to kiss the ring, and I do so. And won't stop, either. I see nothing wrong with it.
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:o :o :o
 
vinc's verse (Mat 23:8) is from one of my favorite passages on glorying in yourself, titles and whatnot. Jesus is speaking of the Pharisees and how they enjoy the respect they receive because of their positions, and how exalting yourself is wrong (not just misleading!).

Mat 23:12 "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted."

Just to complete the trio of examples vinc was drawing from (Mat 23:8-10):

"But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."

It's interesting that Jesus tells us not only to watch how we glory in ourselves (having people call us Rabbi or Master), but also not to vainly glorify others. They are our brethren, and to give them one of God's titles is wrong. That includes something as "harmless" as Father.

I don't think it's a stretch to say kissing a bishop's ring falls under the same lesson.
 
I don't think it's a stretch to say kissing a bishop's ring falls under the same lesson.
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No it is not a stretch, who gave them the right to be called the holy father, or the right reverend' or your holiness ?
 
I hate to be crass but here in Australia one's backside is referred to as one's 'ring'. I'm unsure as to how the terminology originated. Therefore, whenever reference is made to one's kissing the bishop's ring it will inevitably evoke a smile from most Australians.
 
SputnikBoy said:
I hate to be crass but here in Australia one's backside is referred to as one's 'ring'. I'm unsure as to how the terminology originated. Therefore, whenever reference is made to one's kissing the bishop's ring it will inevitably evoke a smile from most Australians.
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That's pretty awesome :lol:

With that now in mind, I don't care at all if people continue kissing the bishop's ring :D
 
Great thread, Lewis & I've enjoyed every post 8-)

Reminds me of the 1st monthly townwide evangelical youth groups get-together at the new http://www.shorelinechurch.co.uk - Sunny Southport's 18 evangelical churches' youth get together 6.30, 1st Sun each month @ a rota of venues :wink:

As it happens, Sept was back at Pastor Pete's too :multi:

Anyway, an outstandingly creative Scouse youth leader, who'd been sorely missed in her itinerant season up in Scotland, had just returned to a rapturous welcome, was once again livening up da staid locals with one of her renowned group brainstorm sessions - this one @ Hopes & Dreams, the challenging Millenium UK touring musical that climaxed in Sir Cliff Richard's last *1 hit, Millenium Prayer... :angel:

As I've shared with y'all B4, pricking pomposity is a fave NW UK pastime.. :robot:

& yup..

we Scousers usually win da title!! :o

I came up -OOPS: sorry - I received from the Lord!) - a wonderful encouragement for all Bible-believing, born-again, Spirit-filled Christians.. 8-)

& it's especially vital now global jihad to slit da throats of all us 'cross worshippers' has been threatened yet again... :x

(Yawn..

who fears Freda Qaida tresses in dresses when the Almighty Creator always supports His true followers in da battles of this earthly life..

as in the Bible's history books, that can all be read in a day by anyone truly interested!) ;-)

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24664 :P

Film fans may echo Owen Wilson's award-winning Hamlet

http://www.christianforums.net/viewforum.php?f=9 - is it there yet?


Altogether now 123...

"To be..

or not to be..

that is da question, ol' skull-face buddy... :-?

whether 'tis nobler in da mind.. :o

to suffer da slings & arows of outrageous fortune.. :oops:

or to take up arms...

& by opposing..


END THEM!!!"[/b] 8-)

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 381#290381

Today's phone-in is 12.10-2pm

Anyway...

just as Adrain Rogers encouraged all of us on TV last Sun to move from being of little faith...

thru developing great faith by regular exercising faith like our muscle...

to da perfect faith that knows..

"God says it...

I believe it..

that settles it..

IT'S A DONE DEAL!!!" :D


So...

do you realise that you too can be..

GGG @ VIPER 4 VERMIN???????????????

Global Go-Getter @ Veritably International Presentations, Education & Research for Versatile Ministries !!!! :lol:

Back with links to online 'Net outreach training & Christian TV...

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24248

Meanwhile, did anyone else get their copy of da great new Megachurch Movement's Outreach Mag today?

USA folk musta got yours days ago, as snail mail across da Pond takes kinda L-O-N-G-E-R :oops:

Any new thread from it yet @ how God is SOOOOOOOO eager to see mega growth in all souled-out churches dedicated to glorifying God & serving the needs of their communities? :P

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 381#290381

Today's phone-in is 12.10-2pm

God bless!

Ian :-D
 
Sounds as this is repeated history to me. You know, Christ's Words of Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15.

And some think that Paul was confusing? 2 Peter 3:16

Perhaps 'we' might see more out of Christ's personal writings of Matthew 23:15 for how todays crass spiritual terminology came about?

"Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! (?) for ye compass sea, and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."

---John
 
Lewis W said:
So how does your post tie into this topic John' please explain. And I am not trying to funny.
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John here:
Funny? No, I think that Christ is a Serious Eternal Subject! The text from below, (that was posted in the above 'questioned' post by you) finds all sorts of [postings] knowing no more about what The Godhead only, being REVEREND means, than can these men from this verse of Peter. That surely can be understood even by them, right? 2 Peter 3:16 (thus we see total contradictions of that thread subject, and as Peter includes 'other Scricture' as well!) :sad

OK, really off thread: :oops: But in the spirit of Christ. Romans 8:14
How has this above post that you posted up to me, reflect of the thread?
And I am not being funny either.

Now, again for just another off thread thought, why did you not send me a personal email if you were not wanting to be the opposite of funny?

And when I think of the thread subject of 'REVEREND'? (and why some folks relish the title?) It even ties in for me at least, with your 'tin star' twisting & flopping around in every post of yours. Do you see what point there is to that remark??? Nothing personal suggested, just the suggestive thought that one views when you post up. Do you see that? Perhaps not. But there are some on the site that will see a very close connection. Perhaps even with another post to me from you, huh? :sad Yes, surely, REVEREND is a very coveted title by some!
 
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