Bible Study Noah and Lot – God's Heterosexual Recluses

[ugmug]

Noah and Lot – God's Heterosexual Recluses

Christians today are being lured into accepting the immorality of this world in order to highlight the fact that God is willing to forgive man's sin through a belief in his son Jesus Christ. While God's love does offer mankind a remedy for his sin through a belief in God's son Jesus Christ – God become man - it does not offer vindication of our sin. This fact of God, of not offering any exoneration for any sin, is highlighted in the stories of Noah and Lot.

In the story of Lot God sent two angels to warn Lot and his family to flee the homosexuality of Sodom and Gomorrah by becoming heterosexual recluses. Lot obeyed whereas his wife did not! It is the same today! We are in the last days before the Great Tribulation! Immoral people are telling everyone that homosexuality is a righteous pursuit but God told Lot different and sent two angels to warn Lot and his family to become heterosexual recluses by fleeing the immorality of homosexuality. God did not send two angels to instruct Lot and his family on how to live with the immorality of Sodom and Gomorrah!

The same command from God was given to Noah instructing him and his family to become righteous recluses (hint: heterosexual recluses) by building an Ark. Noah obeyed, built an ark, and when God's judgment came Noah and his family all went into the ark (hint: symbolic of the coming rapture) where they were all spared God's wrath and judgment.

The immoral people of this age are demanding that righteous people give up their stance against immorality thereby recklessly confirming to the sinner that God's love is nothing but submissive restraint without any threat of retribution. God does not want us to use his love to excuse sin but to show the sinful world that God's love offers a remedy to sin (hint: Jesus Christ) and is not an encouragement to continue to sin.

God's love is demonstrated by sending his son Jesus Christ to the cross to die for all of our sins. God's love is not a lure for the unbeliever to revel in a life of sin. Every person must acknowledge his sin that Jesus Christ took to the cross before God's love is made manifest by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Simply believe in God's son Jesus Christ and know that your sins are forgiven and then live a life of righteous reclusion (hint: become a heterosexual recluse) from your former sinful immoral life.

God Bless
Luke 17:26-35 New International Version (NIV)
26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”

 

[Chopper]

A very interesting thread there ugmug. Holy Living today amongst a large population of Christians is almost non-existent. I think it started with our churches not practicing church discipline. I like this statement of yours, "The immoral people of this age are demanding that righteous people give up their stance against immorality thereby recklessly confirming to the sinner that God's love is nothing but submissive restraint without any threat of retribution."

Your thread causes me to remember again that we are very close to Jesus coming back for His Bride. He is looking for holy believers in Him, not "if it feels good, do it." Holy Holy Holy is the Lord God Almighty!

 

[Brother Mike]

A very interesting thread there ugmug. Holy Living today amongst a large population of Christians is almost non-existent. I think it started with our churches not practicing church discipline. I like this statement of yours, "The immoral people of this age are demanding that righteous people give up their stance against immorality thereby recklessly confirming to the sinner that God's love is nothing but submissive restraint without any threat of retribution."

Your thread causes me to remember again that we are very close to Jesus coming back for His Bride. He is looking for holy believers in Him, not "if it feels good, do it." Holy Holy Holy is the Lord God Almighty!

Well, if you believe in the OSAS doctrine, then all will be fine. The more I study things though, it does not appear all will be fine for many who will be shocked that it's flames they see at death.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Well, if you believe in the OSAS doctrine, then all will be fine. The more I study things though, it does not appear all will be fine for many who will be shocked that it's flames they see at death.

Nope! I am saved and cannot loose what God has given by grace. The entire issue is whether or not any given person ever surrendered everything to God or not. The Church is filled with Christians, people, so named because their names are found on a Church Membership roll somewhere, some of them, not sure what Church but they are a Christian.

A great example of this is when Jesus commanded the man to allow the dead to bury the dead. The followers of Jesus cannot have one foot in Heaven's Kingdom and still live in and for the World and yet the multitude of the Church does just that. Not only do I see Chopper's statement as correct, we do not even, as the Church, bother to inspect fruit, as we are commanded to do.

 

[Brother Mike]

Nope! I am saved and cannot loose what God has given by grace. The entire issue is whether or not any given person ever surrendered everything to God or not. The Church is filled with Christians, people, so named because their names are found on a Church Membership roll somewhere, some of them, not sure what Church but they are a Christian.

A great example of this is when Jesus commanded the man to allow the dead to bury the dead. The followers of Jesus cannot have one foot in Heaven's Kingdom and still live in and for the World and yet the multitude of the Church does just that. Not only do I see Chopper's statement as correct, we do not even, as the Church, bother to inspect fruit, as we are commanded to do.

I am still looking at this Bill. I have never believed in OSAS that would violate a mans free will to leave Jesus and serve a false god like Allah.

It' easy to say that folks never knew the Lord, that explains why they were not saved.

we also have to see those that are still growing up, and we all still should be growing up.

However, the condition is that Jesus is Lord. If Jesus is not Lord over everything, and He is not first, then a good case can be made that they were never saved.

 

[Brother Mike]

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
(Jud 1:3)

Paul is writing this letter of warning to believers. You don't need to warn of something if it never can become a issue. Paul is talking about common Salvation, and warns to earnestly stay in faith. Now what happens if you don't?



I say this because some godless people have wormed their way in among you, saying that God's forgiveness allows us to live immoral lives. The fate of such people was determined long ago, for they have turned against our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
I must remind you--and you know it well--that even though the Lord rescued the whole nation of Israel from Egypt, he later destroyed every one of those who did not remain faithful. And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the day of judgment.
(Jud 1:4-6) (NLT)

Paul is not speaking of the unsaved here. This is the unlimited grace doctrine, and those coming in who knew the Lord Jesus, turned against him. Paul goes on to say it was these that did not "Remain faithful" and Paul mentions the angels who did not stay withen the authority of God.

Those condemned use to be faithful but did not remain faithful and angels did stay within God's authority, but do not now, and they get the everlasting chains of darkness.

Paul is writing this to believers, and it's not in agreement with the OSAS doctrine.


Let's get another witness:
2Pe 1:10 Christian brothers, make sure you are among those He has chosen and called out for His own. As long as you do these things, you will never trip and fall.
2Pe 1:11 In this way, the road will be made wide open for you. And you will go into the holy nation that lasts forever of our Lord Jesus Christ, the One Who saves.

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
(2Pe 1:10-11) KJV

What happens if you live your life without caring about the Calling and election? What if Jesus is no longer Lord, and you do what you want, move where you want, and believe what you want.? Is there still a entrance ministered to YOU? Peter is talking to believers here, he is warning them.

3rd wittness:

And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
(2Pe 2:13-15)

These were not unsaved people, they knew the right way and have forsaken it. They went astray. No respect, no restraint, error.

Now you just don't wake up and loose your salvation one morning, we can repent, and get things right. However, to just say OSAS is ignorant of scripture. These warnings are here for a reason.

Mike[/B]

 

[th1b.taylor]

I am still looking at this Bill. I have never believed in OSAS that would violate a mans free will to leave Jesus and serve a false god like Allah.

It' easy to say that folks never knew the Lord, that explains why they were not saved.

we also have to see those that are still growing up, and we all still should be growing up.

However, the condition is that Jesus is Lord. If Jesus is not Lord over everything, and He is not first, then a good case can be made that they were never saved.

All true except for violating one's free will. i.e. and here I go with what I know best, an example form my own life. When I chose to leave my dad's house, I was a man, complete with free will. When I committed to eight years of servitude to the American People, I exercised my free will to give up my free will. If any man, woman or child exercises their free will to put it into full submission to Jesus, just as He promised (John 10:28) none of them can be snatched from His hand because they still have free will?

But, you see, "he that is saved endures to the end." That, does, make this entire issue, from man's perspective, tricky but not from God's view point for He knows the beginning from the end. Without a good deal of prayer, study and meditation, this sounds like gobbledygook but, in truth I have been assured by the Holy Spirit/God that this is good theology from the Master.

 

[Brother Mike]

All true except for violating one's free will. i.e. and here I go with what I know best, an example form my own life. When I chose to leave my dad's house, I was a man, complete with free will. When I committed to eight years of servitude to the American People, I exercised my free will to give up my free will. If any man, woman or child exercises their free will to put it into full submission to Jesus, just as He promised (John 10:28) none of them can be snatched from His hand because they still have free will?

But, you see, "he that is saved endures to the end." That, does, make this entire issue, from man's perspective, tricky but not from God's view point for He knows the beginning from the end. Without a good deal of prayer, study and meditation, this sounds like gobbledygook but, in truth I have been assured by the Holy Spirit/God that this is good theology from the Master.

Bill, this gets rooted in a Foreknowledge V.S Election Debate......... God knows, God causes.

The scriptures I posted above though show in 3 different scriptural witness that they "Left the truth" "Did not keep their first estate" "Did not make their calling sure, or continue to obey the Lord."

I read the scripture a little bit different though.

Rev_2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Jesus said if you do that until the end. No man can start the same works as Jesus and not be saved. The Unsaved could care less about doing the works of Jesus.

cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
(2Pe 2:13-15)

You can't have forsaken the way, if you never have kept the way, and you could not have been a child of God, but were once without God, and without hope in this world.

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
(Joh 10:26-29)

If you read the passage again, Jesus speaking to the Jews. The Sheep are keeping the way, Hear His voice, and Jesus said twice NO MAN is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand.

They are hearing, and following. No man can confuse them, and lead them astray with a strangers voice.

Joh_10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

The condition as Peter and Paul both warned, was to hear and to follow, Making your calling and election sure. Then no other man can come and lead you out with a stranger voice.

I don't hold a Election or Foreknowledge Doctrine Bill. I don't view the Word with those doctrines. I do see a warning to not continuing to follow, going after wrong doctrines like the "Unlimited Grace" Doctrine Paul warned us about and being lost.

All Wrong theology Bill has to ignore certain scriptures and focus on a few.

Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

I have seen it so bad, the people will say, that is not the "Lambs" book of life, it's another book, so Jesus could not mean you have to overcome and loose your place.

Salvation comes to those who call Jesus as Lord, live their life as Jesus is Lord, and keep that place as Jesus always being Lord over all they choose and do. Then the gates to the Kingdom are wide open.

Sadly, many who call themselves believers have never put God's Word first, or will do what the Lord says do. They won't give up their job, their home, or anything.

Still, Many have, but they have also left, not keeping their first love, and returning to their vomit.

Check it over Bill, I know, it's like People telling me it's not God's will to heal, but If they have scriptures, then I have to change, and why I have combed over Job, Jacob's hip, God made David's baby sick, Jesus healed only one at the pool, Paul's thorn, Paul left Trophy sick. I have to examine every scripture.

Be blessed.

 

[Chopper]

Well, if you believe in the OSAS doctrine, then all will be fine. The more I study things though, it does not appear all will be fine for many who will be shocked that it's flames they see at death.

I believe that the "Elect" can not loose what God gave them. It was the work of God before time began and what God wills to be done, will be!

 

[Chopper]

Nope! I am saved and cannot loose what God has given by grace. The entire issue is whether or not any given person ever surrendered everything to God or not. The Church is filled with Christians, people, so named because their names are found on a Church Membership roll somewhere, some of them, not sure what Church but they are a Christian.

A great example of this is when Jesus commanded the man to allow the dead to bury the dead. The followers of Jesus cannot have one foot in Heaven's Kingdom and still live in and for the World and yet the multitude of the Church does just that. Not only do I see Chopper's statement as correct, we do not even, as the Church, bother to inspect fruit, as we are commanded to do.

Bill said, "We do not even, as the Church, bother to inspect fruit, as we are commanded to do." HOME RUN Bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill, this gets rooted in a Foreknowledge V.S Election Debate......... God knows, God causes.

The scriptures I posted above though show in 3 different scriptural witness that they "Left the truth" "Did not keep their first estate" "Did not make their calling sure, or continue to obey the Lord."

I read the scripture a little bit different though.

Rev_2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Jesus said if you do that until the end. No man can start the same works as Jesus and not be saved. The Unsaved could care less about doing the works of Jesus.

You're busy teaching a valuable lesson here, brother and your fruit is sweet smelling. The thing that worries so many babes in the faith is the room God has left for us to disagree and to remain within the Pail of Orthodoxy.

I was going where you have gone with Predestination, that vile and much debated (instead of discussed) subject that, without question, is taught by our Lord. This is one, very, hard concept to marry to Free Will and yet both are taught in the Word God has left for us until He returns for us and (Oh Boy) the 144,000 and the saved of their preaching.

"Did not make their calling sure, or continue to obey the Lord." and "cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
(2Pe 2:13-15)

This is truth but if the light of the rest of the Bible does not shed it's light on these passages, are they then truth in and of themselves, I have come to understand, no! This is not the central passage of the Bible and thus they cannot stand alone.

You can't have forsaken the way, if you never have kept the way, and you could not have been a child of God, but were once without God, and without hope in this world

Here I, you and all of us are left, only, to imagine the heart and mind of the Father. You see, I have found there are areas God will not reveal to us because we are saved by faith and that faith is given of God and all that are saved will live that faith until the end.

Such a deep, deep, subject. There is not one saved, eternally save, person whose name was not written in the Book of Life before the Universes were created and that stick, sometimes considered to be a Stick in the Mud, is Steel Stake grown into a Granite Mountain, rooted to the core.

There have been and I, sadly, see there will continues to be those that are excited for the moment that were they to have endured, would have gone to Heaven. However, our Omnipotent, Omnipresent God witnessed them born, excited and falling away before they were ever a sparkle in their daddies eyes.

Since 1/1/'90 I have witnessed a number of saved persons, I say saved because they had a fever for God that was consuming them, that later cursed God and now live for the day and the money, sex and fame that life brings, the same life I left in the lurch. Their fruit appeared sweet until it just lay there and rotted.

[quote}But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
(Joh 10:26-29)

If you read the passage again, Jesus speaking to the Jews. The Sheep are keeping the way, Hear His voice, and Jesus said twice NO MAN is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand.

They are hearing, and following. No man can confuse them, and lead them astray with a strangers voice.

Joh_10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

The condition as Peter and Paul both warned, was to hear and to follow, Making your calling and election sure. Then no other man can come and lead you out with a stranger voice.

I don't hold a Election or Foreknowledge Doctrine Bill. I don't view the Word with those doctrines. I do see a warning to not continuing to follow, going after wrong doctrines like the "Unlimited Grace" Doctrine Paul warned us about and being lost.

All Wrong theology Bill has to ignore certain scriptures and focus on a few.

Yes and this very passage presents an enigma, folded, within an enigma, the very one we are discussing. I have such a problem ignoring any portion of it. We are not that far apart on this matter for I absolutely agree, Grace is not unlimited and I wish the Book of Life were not sealed, it would be so much easier if it were. But I cannot get past God's Omnipresence as being the base of Hiis foreknowledge.

Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

I have seen it so bad, the people will say, that is not the "Lambs" book of life, it's another book, so Jesus could not mean you have to overcome and loose your place.

Salvation comes to those who call Jesus as Lord, live their life as Jesus is Lord, and keep that place as Jesus always being Lord over all they choose and do. Then the gates to the Kingdom are wide open.

Sadly, many who call themselves believers have never put God's Word first, or will do what the Lord says do. They won't give up their job, their home, or anything.

Still, Many have, but they have also left, not keeping their first love, and returning to their vomit.

Check it over Bill, I know, it's like People telling me it's not God's will to heal, but If they have scriptures, then I have to change, and why I have combed over Job, Jacob's hip, God made David's baby sick, Jesus healed only one at the pool, Paul's thorn, Paul left Trophy sick. I have to examine every scripture.

Be blessed.[/QUOTE]
AMEN!

 

[Brother Mike]

I believe that the "Elect" can not loose what God gave them. It was the work of God before time began and what God wills to be done, will be!

I detect a wrong spirit here, something is off. That thought came from an experience or something, not what was revealed to you in the Word, as I can shred it, and have already given scripture in 3 witnesses to prove it wrong.

And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
(Luk 19:20-21)

But if you think it was the Lord's will this person use there Pound and ability given unwisely then You need to go back and read it again.

One more question:

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
(Col 1:16-19)

Name me one thing that was made, the God had not elected (choose beforehand) before the foundation of the World (Before the World was) that was not to be in Christ Jesus, to not serve him, and not consist to be In Him.

Just one thing. It does not take much looking around to see, a whole lot of things are not in him, and not obeying him.

So just name something not predestined before the foundation of the World that was not made to be blessed and be in Christ Jesus.

If you can give me the scripture, I will be more than happy to reconsider how I looked at all the scriptures I posted.

My Doctrine does no come from experience or some doctrine of man. I have had questions about things not working out, and may have taken several years to see the answer, but it never occurred to me one time that to be predestined to be IN HIM there was not always victory and life. Not one time. As Jesus said many times, for those that believe...........Those that overcome....... Those that take heed to what they hear....... Those that choose life over death, and blessing over cursing.

Mike

 

[Sinthesis]

Christians are not meant to be recluses.

Jhn 17:18 - As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.​

 

[Chopper]

I detect a wrong spirit here, something is off. That thought came from an experience or something, not what was revealed to you in the Word, as I can shred it, and have already given scripture in 3 witnesses to prove it wrong.

And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
(Luk 19:20-21)

But if you think it was the Lord's will this person use there Pound and ability given unwisely then You need to go back and read it again.

One more question:

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
(Col 1:16-19)

Name me one thing that was made, the God had not elected (choose beforehand) before the foundation of the World (Before the World was) that was not to be in Christ Jesus, to not serve him, and not consist to be In Him.

Just one thing. It does not take much looking around to see, a whole lot of things are not in him, and not obeying him.

So just name something not predestined before the foundation of the World that was not made to be blessed and be in Christ Jesus.

If you can give me the scripture, I will be more than happy to reconsider how I looked at all the scriptures I posted.

My Doctrine does no come from experience or some doctrine of man. I have had questions about things not working out, and may have taken several years to see the answer, but it never occurred to me one time that to be predestined to be IN HIM there was not always victory and life. Not one time. As Jesus said many times, for those that believe...........Those that overcome....... Those that take heed to what they hear....... Those that choose life over death, and blessing over cursing.

Mike

I'm sorry that I don't understand the confusion you have put forth Brother. It seems to me that you are stating, asking questions on several different area's. If you don't believe Ephesians Chapter one, I have nothing to respond to you. Not knowing what has been posted lately, I started a thread in Bible Study on this very issue. The longevity of Salvation.

 

[Brother Mike]

I'm sorry that I don't understand the confusion you have put forth Brother. It seems to me that you are stating, asking questions on several different area's. If you don't believe Ephesians Chapter one, I have nothing to respond to you. Not knowing what has been posted lately, I started a thread in Bible Study on this very issue. The longevity of Salvation.

It's not my lack of belief of Ephesians 1. It's my comparing line upon line, here a little there a little. We don't take one passage, and ignore 5.

 

[Sinthesis]

Biblically, you don't want to describe your study method as "line upon line, here a little there a little".

Isa 28:11 ¶ For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 - To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Isa 28:13 - But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.​

 

[Chopper]

Mike, I love you in the Lord Jesus Christ. I must say that there is something wrong with your theology and reasoning. It's like the old saying, "step back and view the whole forest, not just one or two trees."

Case in point. Apparently your teachers have not exposed you to the Truth of Ephesians one as it has to do with a select few called the "Elect" and that they are the ones who will never loose their Salvation. I have included Scripture to support this but you think I'm speaking of the masses who get saved who are not the "Elect". Their Salvation is never guaranteed as is the Elect.

In post # 12, you state "I detect a wrong spirit here, something is off. That thought came from an experience or something, not what was revealed to you in the Word, as I can shred it, and have already given scripture in 3 witnesses to prove it wrong"....First of all, I receive that statement as something that in Christ, you are not allowed to do and that is to judge someones thinking or motives. I see in that statement, pride of position. I have no way to know if you are really a prideful person and would not accuse you of that....I was spiritually insulted at your remarks.

Let me remind you,
Romans 2:1 "Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things." I don't mean to rag on you Brother, but to tell you the truth? I'm tired of a "I'm right and you're wrong" posts that are coming from you....This statement of yours, "That thought came from an experience or something, not what was revealed to you in the Word, as I can shred it," Wow! You can shred it? As far as I'm concerned, that pom-piety will only distance yourself from me and others who value the "whole council of God."

 

[Kenny_ms]

God's Heterosexual Recluses

I never really got the point to why you wan to refer to them as that ,but I agree with your post so, no matter.