Christian Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty

Alfred Persson

Catholic Orthodox Free Will Reformed Baptist
2024 Supporter
Some fear the New Heavens and New Earth will be oppressive, liberty replaced by ever present rule.

That is the opposite of what God has promised:

16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2 Cor. 3:16-18 NKJ)

We will have the time of our eternal lives, exploring every aspect of God and His infinite creation, doing our heart's delight:

Delight yourself also in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. (Ps. 37:4 NKJ)

10 I have seen the God-given task with which the sons of men are to be occupied.
11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.
12 I know that nothing is better for them than to rejoice, and to do good in their lives,
13 and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor-- it is the gift of God.

14 I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him.(Eccl. 3:10-14 NKJ)

Its is clear from Genesis Adam and Eve had autonomy, God visiting as a friend on occasion looking in:

And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, (Gen. 3:8 NKJ)

And it follows from God ruling Israel through judges, He hates the dictatorship of kings and His rule was so unoppressive people felt too free:

6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, "Give us a king to judge us." So Samuel prayed to the LORD.
7 And the LORD said to Samuel, "Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them. (1 Sam. 8:6-7 NKJ)

That was their defect, not ours:

18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. (Rom. 8:18-21 NKJ)
 
Last edited:
Some fear the New Heavens and New Earth will be oppressive, liberty replaced by ever present rule.

That is the opposite of what God has promised:

16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2 Cor. 3:16-18 NKJ)

We will have the time of our eternal lives, exploring every aspect of God and His infinite creation, doing our heart's delight:

Delight yourself also in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. (Ps. 37:4 NKJ)

10 I have seen the God-given task with which the sons of men are to be occupied.
11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.
12 I know that nothing is better for them than to rejoice, and to do good in their lives,
13 and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor-- it is the gift of God.

14 I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him.(Eccl. 3:10-14 NKJ)

Its is clear from Genesis Adam and Eve had autonomy, God visiting as a friend on occasion looking in:

And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, (Gen. 3:8 NKJ)

And it follows from God ruling Israel through judges, He hates the dictatorship of kings and His rule was so unoppressive people felt too free:

6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, "Give us a king to judge us." So Samuel prayed to the LORD.
7 And the LORD said to Samuel, "Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them. (1 Sam. 8:6-7 NKJ)

That was their defect, not ours:

18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. (Rom. 8:18-21 NKJ)
3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
4 "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."
6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
7 "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. (Rev. 21:3-7 NKJ)

What does it mean for infinite God to "tabernacle...dwell" with humans? It means "in Him we live and move and have our being" (Acts. 17:28), "one in Him":

"that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. (Jn. 17:21 NKJ)

God is worshipped in His Temple, but in the New Heavens and New Earth the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple, so we will be in Him:

But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. (Rev. 21:22 NKJ)

All Born Again Christians, having been Baptized in the Spirit when they believed, experience daily a "foretaste" of this reality: God the Holy Spirit is in them, gently prompting them to do what is right in the eyes of God. Not oppressive He liberates from bondage to sin so we can live according to our conscience, and live life abundantly.

I can't wait for the Revelation of the Children of God, in perfect liberty with God sharing our joys and discoveries, but always as a loving Father looks over the Children who are "the apple of His eye".

17 "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing, And her people a joy.
19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem, And joy in My people; The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her, Nor the voice of crying. (Isa. 65:17-19 NKJ)

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
(1 Cor. 2:7-10 NKJ)
 
Last edited:
Since the desire of the heart of a believer is changed, what he desires is not going to be that which is sinful.

So it can be said that while there is absolute liberty in heaven for that the Spirit of the Lord is there,

that sin is not going to be running rampant.

It will be completely restrained.

Not because people will want to sin and will be forbidden to do so and stopped from doing so;

But because those who are counted worthy of heaven have no desire for sin but desire only good;

And therefore, in that the LORD gives them the desires of their hearts, He will be giving them what is holy, righteous, and good; even what is in accordance with the law of the Lord.
 
Back
Top