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[th1b.taylor]

Luk 3:21 Now when all the people were baptised, Jesus was also baptised, and while He was praying, heaven was opened,
Luk 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."

There is an inferred lie being taught in churches today that I like to see discussed. From the prophets of the Old Testament the Jewish Believer knew that a man, now known as John the Baptist, would be the fore runner of the Messiah, the Christ in Greek. When John came out of the Wilderness preaching the Baptism and Repentance, the Faithful went to him to be baptised, to be obedient to the Father in Heaven.

As nearly as I can reckon it Jesus was born about six months after John, making them, not just some distant relative to each other, they were, though raised apart, close contemporaries. John recognized Jesus as the Christ the very moment Jesus appeared and, thus, proclaimed Him to be such. John called Jesus the Lamb of God. Until Jesus died on the cross a lamb was sacrificed, at least, every year for a man's sins and John announces Him to be God's Lamb.

The inferred lie comes from a truth in the manor it is taught or explained. It is, absolutely, true that any Christian that has, nasty word, submitted their life to the, another nasty, service of God is not condemned by the, so called Mosaic Law. Every man and woman seated in the Church on Sunday Morning that as not made this commitment is condemned by the Law of our God. They are no better off, eternally, than the drunk in the juke joint on Saturday night.

Jesus, while He was on the Earth, set an example of what we were to strive to become and for us to follow and Jesus, being God (John 1:1-3) did not find nor did He need salvation and the reason He went to the cross for me and for you was to restore our fellowship with God and it all boils down in the end of it all to obedience to the Father. Jesus prayed in the garden for “...this cup...†to pass him by, followed with, “...not my will but Thine.†Jesus was being obedient to all that is written in the Old Testament and to the Father! And in doing so, set, not only an example, but also, a standard.

Jesus told us He came not to do away with the Law but to fulfil it. Now, I suggest to you, Jesus is the example we are to strive to follow! Comments?

 

[Mitspa]

Luk 3:21 Now when all the people were baptised, Jesus was also baptised, and while He was praying, heaven was opened,
Luk 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."

There is an inferred lie being taught in churches today that I like to see discussed. From the prophets of the Old Testament the Jewish Believer knew that a man, now known as John the Baptist, would be the fore runner of the Messiah, the Christ in Greek. When John came out of the Wilderness preaching the Baptism and Repentance, the Faithful went to him to be baptised, to be obedient to the Father in Heaven.

As nearly as I can reckon it Jesus was born about six months after John, making them, not just some distant relative to each other, they were, though raised apart, close contemporaries. John recognized Jesus as the Christ the very moment Jesus appeared and, thus, proclaimed Him to be such. John called Jesus the Lamb of God. Until Jesus died on the cross a lamb was sacrificed, at least, every year for a man's sins and John announces Him to be God's Lamb.

The inferred lie comes from a truth in the manor it is taught or explained. It is, absolutely, true that any Christian that has, nasty word, submitted their life to the, another nasty, service of God is not condemned by the, so called Mosaic Law. Every man and woman seated in the Church on Sunday Morning that as not made this commitment is condemned by the Law of our God. They are no better off, eternally, than the drunk in the juke joint on Saturday night.

Jesus, while He was on the Earth, set an example of what we were to strive to become and for us to follow and Jesus, being God (John 1:1-3) did not find nor did He need salvation and the reason He went to the cross for me and for you was to restore our fellowship with God and it all boils down in the end of it all to obedience to the Father. Jesus prayed in the garden for “...this cup...” to pass him by, followed with, “...not my will but Thine.” Jesus was being obedient to all that is written in the Old Testament and to the Father! And in doing so, set, not only an example, but also, a standard.

Jesus told us He came not to do away with the Law but to fulfil it. Now, I suggest to you, Jesus is the example we are to strive to follow! Comments?

You seem to have an opinion that we are still to keep the Law? We serve Christ by the Spirit not by the flesh, not by the letter!
Maybe I have not understood your post correctly? No one can walk as Christ apart from walking in His Spirit.
The just shall live by faith, the law is not of faith. The strength of sin is the law!

 

[th1b.taylor]

You seem to have an opinion that we are still to keep the Law? We serve Christ by the Spirit not by the flesh, not by the letter!
Maybe I have not understood your post correctly? No one can walk as Christ apart from walking in His Spirit.
The just shall live by faith, the law is not of faith. The strength of sin is the law!

You have made the most common mistake made by the New Testament and New Covenant Christian movement today, you almost quoted;
Heb.10:38-39
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


I have not suggested that it is, even, possible that the Christian live by the Mosaic Law! I have stated and made the scriptural case that is also made in the passage you have loosely alluded to. Jesus set the model when He, with His own finger, wrote the Law on the tablets of stone and ten modeled as the perfect example that we are to strive for. Jesus eve went so far as to boil it all down to just two easily kept commandments when the man asked Him for the greatest of the commandments.


You are just as capable as I to keep those commands and like myself, when you fail, to, instantly repent. All can but most fall back into perdition.

 

[farouk]

You have made the most common mistake made by the New Testament and New Covenant Christian movement today, you almost quoted;
Heb.10:38-39
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


I have not suggested that it is, even, possible that the Christian live by the Mosaic Law! I have stated and made the scriptural case that is also made in the passage you have loosely alluded to. Jesus set the model when He, with His own finger, wrote the Law on the tablets of stone and ten modeled as the perfect example that we are to strive for. Jesus eve went so far as to boil it all down to just two easily kept commandments when the man asked Him for the greatest of the commandments.


You are just as capable as I to keep those commands and like myself, when you fail, to, instantly repent. All can but most fall back into perdition.

What makes you think that those lost were ever saved in the first place? Galatians makes it clear that the believer is not saved by law-keeping.

The Lord sustains and keeps His true people.

 

[th1b.taylor]

What makes you think that those lost were ever saved in the first place? Galatians makes it clear that the believer is not saved by law-keeping.

The Lord sustains and keeps His true people.

Well, that is the point, isn't it? I can site you a survey from the mid-eighties that clearly demonstrates that less than three ot four percent of the membership of the average Church Membership are saved, conducted by the Barna Group. This post, that has been posted on my Facebook page, four other Christian Forums and sent to everyone on my list is meant for the White to harvest field, right in the pews on Sunday morning. Although they are seldom addressed as lost, they are! And the truth is, there are far to many ear ticklers teaching today.

God bless, my brother.

 

[Mitspa]

You have made the most common mistake made by the New Testament and New Covenant Christian movement today, you almost quoted;
Heb.10:38-39
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


I have not suggested that it is, even, possible that the Christian live by the Mosaic Law! I have stated and made the scriptural case that is also made in the passage you have loosely alluded to. Jesus set the model when He, with His own finger, wrote the Law on the tablets of stone and ten modeled as the perfect example that we are to strive for. Jesus eve went so far as to boil it all down to just two easily kept commandments when the man asked Him for the greatest of the commandments.


You are just as capable as I to keep those commands and like myself, when you fail, to, instantly repent. All can but most fall back into perdition.

Well you must reject the whole of the New Testament to believe YOU can love with all your heart mind and soul?
No! the Law is "spiritual" it can only be kept by the Spirit that sheds Gods love abroad in our hearts!

Gal 5:4



Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Gal 5:14



For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Gal 5:15



But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Gal 5:16



This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17



For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18



But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.



So we did not even need Christ? we could have fulfilled law by the flesh?

 

[Mitspa]

Well, that is the point, isn't it? I can site you a survey from the mid-eighties that clearly demonstrates that less than three ot four percent of the membership of the average Church Membership are saved, conducted by the Barna Group. This post, that has been posted on my Facebook page, four other Christian Forums and sent to everyone on my list is meant for the White to harvest field, right in the pews on Sunday morning. Although they are seldom addressed as lost, they are! And the truth is, there are far to many ear ticklers teaching today.

God bless, my brother.

Lets replace the Living Word of God, with a survey?
Rom 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

know ye not, that the Holy Spirit dwells within you?
No, better get a survey! LOL

 

[th1b.taylor]

Mitspa,
You are giving me knee-jerk replies! I have, in no manner, rejected the New Testament, that would make me a Jew and I'm not. Nor have I suggested that the Word be replaced by any of the Bara Groups surveys. You have taken scriptures out of their context and attempted to justify yourself by condemning me, it won't work that way. And then, please, step back, take a deep, deep, breath and look at who is attacking who! I have offered a message given me by the Holy Spirit of God that has, as it was meant to do, cause introspection. You are not even mad at me, you're mad at God.

 

[Mitspa]

Mitspa,
You are giving me knee-jerk replies! I have, in no manner, rejected the New Testament, that would make me a Jew and I'm not. Nor have I suggested that the Word be replaced by any of the Bara Groups surveys. You have taken scriptures out of their context and attempted to justify yourself by condemning me, it won't work that way. And then, please, step back, take a deep, deep, breath and look at who is attacking who! I have offered a message given me by the Holy Spirit of God that has, as it was meant to do, cause introspection. You are not even mad at me, you're mad at God.

No I trust Gods mercy and love Him and those He loves. I love them so much that when I see false teachers trying to teach false doctrine, I will defend the True Gospel!

2Co 5:18

And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[th1b.taylor]

In your post #6 & #7 you built a Straw Man to mount your trusty white steed and to slay. And now you are attempting to do exactly what we are instructed not to do, you are jerking verses out of their full context as justification for you mis application ad you hate for the conviction you are showing to symptoms of. If you're going to use scripture you need to learn to consider life application of the scripture before posting. Also, you're not angry with me, it's not I that comvict your heart.

 

[Mitspa]

In your post #6 & #7 you built a Straw Man to mount your trusty white steed and to slay. And now you are attempting to do exactly what we are instructed not to do, you are jerking verses out of their full context as justification for you mis application ad you hate for the conviction you are showing to symptoms of. If you're going to use scripture you need to learn to consider life application of the scripture before posting. Also, you're not angry with me, it's not I that comvict your heart.

I know the scriptures really dont say what they appear to say! Its just a stawman?
Yes you convict me, you convict me of the traditions of men? Who make the clear meaning of the Word of God of no effect. You brush it aside as if it was nothing?

So what issue do you have with THE FACT that Christ Jesus became sin for us, that we should be made the Righteousness of God? How many scriptures saying that very thing does one need to read before they can believe the clear truth of scripture?

2Co 5:21



For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I am convicted of Righteousness!
All things are possible for those who believe,
To him who has more will be given!

 

[th1b.taylor]

Mitspa,
You began with twisting the Hebrews 10:38-39 to fit "your" needs and you followed by bundling an assortment of extracted scriptures. Now you're accusing me, a Bible Teacher, of exactly what you are doing. You came to this string with a mean attitude and looking for a fight. The very first thing off your keyboard was a straw man followed by more of the same. I regret having to tell you but your armor is not shinning and your white steed needs a bath.

The Bible is of a single context, beginning with "In the beginning..." and ending with the last "Amen" of The Revelation 22. No single scripture, nor any group of scriptures can be understood without the clear light of "all" other scripture shinning on it. The New Testament Christian teaching that Jesus is not the God of the Old Testament is disproved by scripture. (John 1:1-3)

Some. of like mind with yourself have gone so far as to inform me that God changed, then, during those four hundred, more or less, year that He did not speak. That of course is also disproved by scripture. (Mal. 3:6a) This means that, because of the obvious differences to the Lost Man between the Testaments, a man or a woman without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit can never understand the scriptures.

Jesus said it Himself, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill." (Matt. 5:17, NASB) When we read the New Testament Jesus is not showing us anything new, no indeed! Jesus has come in the flesh of a man to show us how to apply what He has taught us in the Old Testament. i often explain to folks that a good view of the Bible is to consider the Bible to be the Old Testament and to look at the New Testament as the best God inspired Life Application Commentary ever written on the Bible Jesus and the twelve taught from.

Now, please understand something. I'm not the loose canon you are trying to make me out to be. My Pastor is linked to my Facebook page as are Pastors and Missionaries from around the world, they are my Accountability Partners and will call me down if I go off track. And this string and many others have been linked to my page also.

I would appreciate it if you would read your posts before clicking the post button because there are a lot of folks to see how you and I are acting and your building straw-men is not Christian, that is how I acted before my salvation.

God bless and praying for you.