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On Communion

Edward

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Is there a right/wrong way to take Communion?

We've all done it in church, with the wafers & grape juice, but it seems to me that one could do it with any food & drink at any time we eat, by a blessing and focusing of the heart.

Am I right? Any scriptures give instructions?
:chin
 
Now on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?”

And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." Matthew 26:17, 26-28 NKJV

Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed. And He sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat.”

When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him. Then He said to them, “With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves; for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying,“This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you." Luke 22:7-8, 14-20 NKJV

For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.
1 Corinthians 11:23-26 NKJV

 
Now on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?”

And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." Matthew 26:17, 26-28 NKJV

Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed. And He sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat.”

When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him. Then He said to them, “With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves; for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying,“This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you." Luke 22:7-8, 14-20 NKJV

For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.
1 Corinthians 11:23-26 NKJV

Amen, Brother. "...as often as you eat..." is what made me wonder about it.

We should be taking Communion every day. (3 times a day?)
The way it reads to me, it doesn't ring as though it is a commandment to use wine or unleavened bread. (??)
 
It does mention the "Feast of Unleavened Bread" and the "fruit of the vine." How often do we celebrate the feast of unleavened bread? I have not yet found anywhere in Scripture that defines whether the fruit of the vine is wine or fruit juice.
 
I think it would be ok when giving thanks before a meal to also remember the body and blood of Jesus before he died on the cross. But I kind of think communion is something special. 1 Corinthians 11:17-34 addresses this I think.
 
It does mention the "Feast of Unleavened Bread" and the "fruit of the vine." How often do we celebrate the feast of unleavened bread? I have not yet found anywhere in Scripture that defines whether the fruit of the vine is wine or fruit juice.

In Exodus 13:7 it only seems to mandate eating unleavened bread for 7 days, and in commemoration of the power of God leading them out of Egypt. Totally appropriate, considering the circumstances at the time. Yet different than Communion!

It doesn't really say if the bread was leavened or not when Jesus did the first communion with them, before he went to the Cross. Nor if the wine was fermented or not. I don't think it matters. The important thing is our rememberance of Him.
 
It is written that life is in the blood, hmm. I wonder...mans DNA is two stranded. scripture says a two stranded rope is easy to break, but that a three stranded rope will not break.

God's DNA must be three stranded!

Scripture says whoever does not hate their mother and father is not of me?
God does things in threes (Father-Son-Holy Spirit), and speaks of renewing...

...and we're told to take communion.
We need to injest that 3rd strand in faith and quit drawing on our parents DNA?!
 
I think it would be ok when giving thanks before a meal to also remember the body and blood of Jesus before he died on the cross. But I kind of think communion is something special. 1 Corinthians 11:17-34 addresses this I think.
I believe there is judgment at the cup of Christ.
 
You mean if you come to it with the wrong spirit?
Yes. I think there is a way to take part, that is a discernment showing you to be a crucifier of the Christ. I think this scripture speaks to this. But I may be wrong.
1 Corinthians 11:27
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
 
It does mention the "Feast of Unleavened Bread" and the "fruit of the vine." How often do we celebrate the feast of unleavened bread? I have not yet found anywhere in Scripture that defines whether the fruit of the vine is wine or fruit juice.
It's true that scripture doesn't specifically say that the "fruit of the vine" is wine, but my understanding was that they didn't have non-femented fruit juice in those days because of storage problems. They immediately fermented all fruit juice.

I tend to agree with Edward where he says:
I don't think it matters. The important thing is our rememberance of Him.
 
Yes. I think there is a way to take part, that is a discernment showing you to be a crucifier of the Christ. I think this scripture speaks to this. But I may be wrong.
1 Corinthians 11:27
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

I agree. However, I don't know if that should be the main perspective. When the Isrealites sacrificed their offerings, they were to give the best in their flocks and their crops. Not a defected sacrifice. In the same way, I think our heart and how we come to the LORD matters. Just as the verse above that you quoted. That said though, we come to the LORD for his salvation, and His forgiveness. If we are to be perfect to participate in communion, then we should have communion the same way JW communities have communion. Just observing the bread and wine, and not eating or drinking it.

I agree with Edwards. The important aspect is our rembeeance of Jesus.
 
I agree. However, I don't know if that should be the main perspective. When the Isrealites sacrificed their offerings, they were to give the best in their flocks and their crops. Not a defected sacrifice. In the same way, I think our heart and how we come to the LORD matters. Just as the verse above that you quoted. That said though, we come to the LORD for his salvation, and His forgiveness. If we are to be perfect to participate in communion, then we should have communion the same way JW communities have communion. Just observing the bread and wine, and not eating or drinking it.

I agree with Edwards. The important aspect is our rembeeance of Jesus.
I understand the perspective you describe. The remembrance of Jesus and what he suffered is indeed the primary objective. It is therefore a solemn occasion. But within that very paradigm lies a deeper discernment which is what I am alluding to. That there exists a discernment that shows if a person would have betrayed Christ just as Judas did. Hence scripture says you show yourself guilty of the body and blood of Christ. So it's not only the remembrance that shows his death, but also why we think he died for us.

Therefore it's important that we drink and eat metaphorically so to speak, so that we contemplate how his blood is drink and his body is food for our consumption, so that we may have life. Just observing that he died and was crucified is rather void of context if we don't know why he did it. It is how we answer that question of why, where there is judgment at the cup of Christ.
 
I understand the perspective you describe. The remembrance of Jesus and what he suffered is indeed the primary objective. It is therefore a solemn occasion. But within that very paradigm lies a deeper discernment which is what I am alluding to. That there exists a discernment that shows if a person would have betrayed Christ just as Judas did. Hence scripture says you show yourself guilty of the body and blood of Christ. So it's not only the remembrance that shows his death, but also why we think he died for us.

Therefore it's important that we drink and eat metaphorically so to speak, so that we contemplate how his blood is drink and his body is food for our consumption, so that we may have life. Just observing that he died and was crucified is rather void of context if we don't know why he did it. It is how we answer that question of why, where there is judgment at the cup of Christ.
I agree.
1Co 11:27 so that whoever may eat this bread or may drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, guilty he shall be of the body and blood of the Lord:
1Co 11:28 and let a man be proving himself, and so of the bread let him eat, and of the cup let him drink;
1Co 11:29 for he who is eating and drinking unworthily, judgment to himself he doth eat and drink--not discerning the body of the Lord.
 
Is there a right/wrong way to take Communion?
We've all done it in church, with the wafers & grape juice, but it seems to me that one could do it with any food & drink at any time we eat, by a blessing and focusing of the heart.
Am I right? Any scriptures give instructions?
:chin

Communion/Eucharist is described in verses already quoted here but I will post then once again. (NKJV) I'll put Paul's comments first since he wrote before the Gospels were written.

1Co 11:23-28 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;fn this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.

Mat 26:26-28 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar 14:22 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. And He said to them, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many."

Luke 22:19-20 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Often neglected in discussions of communion/Eucharist are Jesus' words in John's Gospel which expand the understanding of the bread/body, wind/blood teaching. Remember, John's Gospel was written well after the other three Gospels. Perhaps he saw a need for further instruction on communion/Eucharist.

John 6:48-60 I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed,fn and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”


These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.
Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”

John 6:66-68 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”

But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life."


The passage in John has been hard to accept from the day that Jesus spoke the words. Many of His disciples left Him after hearing those words. It seems clear to me that Jesus was talking about the bread and wine of communion/Eucharist for how else could we "eat" His flesh and "drink" His blood except by participation in communion/Eucharist?

That is how the earliest leaders of the church understood Communion as is attested in their writings.

Ignatius of Antioch (30-107 A. D. A disciple of the apostle John and Bishop of Antioch) in his Epistle to the Smyrnaens, Ch. VII: “Let Us Stand Aloof from Such Heretics” states; “They (the heretics) abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins,..”

He was taught by the John, the beloved disciple of Christ and, in this statement, he affirms the teaching of the apostles and Christ that the bread is Christ’s body.

Justin Martyr, the church’s first apologist, wrote in the first half of the 2nd century in his “The First Apology of Justin”, in Chapter LXVI.—Of the Eucharist. In it he reports what he was taught as a new Christian by the church. That would mean that the teaching he received was already established in the church so it is not some later invention by the Roman church but was a part of the teaching of the apostles who taught what they learned from Jesus. It is God’s inspired teaching by His Son, through the apostles to the church.

And here it is: “And this food is called among us Eujcaristiva [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body; ”and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, “This is My blood; ”and gave it to them alone.”

So, we probably shouldn't consider sitting around the kitchen table having PB&J sandwiches and a glass of milk to be "Communion."

At least, that's how I see it.

Iakov the fool
 
Communion/Eucharist is described in verses already quoted here but I will post then once again. (NKJV) I'll put Paul's comments first since he wrote before the Gospels were written.

1Co 11:23-28 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;fn this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.

Mat 26:26-28 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar 14:22 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. And He said to them, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many."

Luke 22:19-20 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Often neglected in discussions of communion/Eucharist are Jesus' words in John's Gospel which expand the understanding of the bread/body, wind/blood teaching. Remember, John's Gospel was written well after the other three Gospels. Perhaps he saw a need for further instruction on communion/Eucharist.

John 6:48-60 I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed,fn and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”


These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.
Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”

John 6:66-68 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”

But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life."


The passage in John has been hard to accept from the day that Jesus spoke the words. Many of His disciples left Him after hearing those words. It seems clear to me that Jesus was talking about the bread and wine of communion/Eucharist for how else could we "eat" His flesh and "drink" His blood except by participation in communion/Eucharist?

That is how the earliest leaders of the church understood Communion as is attested in their writings.

Ignatius of Antioch (30-107 A. D. A disciple of the apostle John and Bishop of Antioch) in his Epistle to the Smyrnaens, Ch. VII: “Let Us Stand Aloof from Such Heretics” states; “They (the heretics) abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins,..”

He was taught by the John, the beloved disciple of Christ and, in this statement, he affirms the teaching of the apostles and Christ that the bread is Christ’s body.

Justin Martyr, the church’s first apologist, wrote in the first half of the 2nd century in his “The First Apology of Justin”, in Chapter LXVI.—Of the Eucharist. In it he reports what he was taught as a new Christian by the church. That would mean that the teaching he received was already established in the church so it is not some later invention by the Roman church but was a part of the teaching of the apostles who taught what they learned from Jesus. It is God’s inspired teaching by His Son, through the apostles to the church.

And here it is: “And this food is called among us Eujcaristiva [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body; ”and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, “This is My blood; ”and gave it to them alone.”

So, we probably shouldn't consider sitting around the kitchen table having PB&J sandwiches and a glass of milk to be "Communion."

At least, that's how I see it.

Iakov the fool

Transubstantiation of the bread and wine?
 
Transubstantiation of the bread and wine?

No. That idea didn't show up for another 1000 years in the 11th century and wasn't officially defined until the council of Trent in 1551. That's 1500 years later!

The Church of the first century did not use the term or teach the ideas that come along with the term.

iakov the fool
 
Is there a right/wrong way to take Communion?

We've all done it in church, with the wafers & grape juice, but it seems to me that one could do it with any food & drink at any time we eat, by a blessing and focusing of the heart.

Am I right? Any scriptures give instructions?
:chin
Was it a right thing? Not thinking but knowing there were some not saved partaking in the communion; is that wrong to allow those to partake? Should it only be Christians?
 
Was it a right thing? Not thinking but knowing there were some not saved partaking in the communion; is that wrong to allow those to partake? Should it only be Christians?

It should be only Christians.

1Co 11:27-30 (NKJV) Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. (are dead!)

To allow them to partake unworthily is to allow them to "drink judgment upon" themselves by "not discerning the Lord's body."

iakov the fool
 
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