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One God Three Persons or One God One Person?

Often this debate focuses on the Son of God. But I would like to focus on the Holy Spirit.
My challenge to the Oneness Pentecostals and other Modalists is simple:
That the Holy Spirit is fully God (which includes His Personhood), is a given in the debate with a Oneness adherent, thus, I say the following with that given in mind. If others who think that the Holy Spirit is an "it" or some "thing" wish to enter the debate, pleasde explain what the Holy Spirit of God can possibly be, if not fully God?
To the Oneness I say:
The Lord says that the Holy Spirit "....proceeds from the Father" (John 15:26).
Obviously, there are TWO PERSONS described here. The One Who proceeds from the First, and the One from Whom the Second proceeds.
Two Persons. How can there be anything else?
 
The Lord says that the Holy Spirit "....proceeds from the Father" (John 15:26).
Obviously, there are TWO PERSONS described here. The One Who proceeds from the First, and the One from Whom the Second proceeds.
Two Persons. How can there be anything else?
How is it “obviously, there are TWO PERSONS described here”?

The words “Holy Spirit” have no reference to a person.
However, the word “Father” does.

It’s therefore only obvious that “Father” would be a person.

And to “proceed” from the Father means the Holy Spirit originates from a source which is the Father.
The Father is the person who is the source of the Holy Spirit.
 
How is it “obviously, there are TWO PERSONS described here”?

The words “Holy Spirit” have no reference to a person.
However, the word “Father” does.

It’s therefore only obvious that “Father” would be a person.

And to “proceed” from the Father means the Holy Spirit originates from a source which is the Father.
The Father is the person who is the source of the Holy Spirit.

Well, like I asked, how can the very Spirit of God be anything but fully God? What "part" of God is His Spirit?
 
Well, like I asked, how can the very Spirit of God be anything but fully God? What "part" of God is His Spirit?
I believe it’s the Spirit of God that makes God what He is. He possesses a fullness of the Spirit in Himself and is able to put His Spirit upon others so that they may do the same works He can do.
He imparts power, knowledge and wisdom of every name and nature through the Spirit that proceeds from Himself.
 
I believe it’s the Spirit of God that makes God what He is. He possesses a fullness of the Spirit in Himself and is able to put His Spirit upon others so that they may do the same works He can do.
He imparts power, knowledge and wisdom of every name and nature through the Spirit that proceeds from Himself.

Then how can His Spirit be an "it"?
0bviously, if His Spirit is all that He is, His Spirit is a Person, because God is a Person. And if the Holy Spirit proceeds forth from God and is fully all that God is, then He is a Person, and then, there are TWO PERSONS. One proceeding, and One proceeding from.

We would not know any of this save by revelation.
The Scriptures make it clear that the Holy Spirit is the Lord Himself.
 
Then how can His Spirit be an "it"?
0bviously, if His Spirit is all that He is, His Spirit is a Person, because God is a Person. And if the Holy Spirit proceeds forth from God and is fully all that God is, then He is a Person, and then, there are TWO PERSONS. One proceeding, and One proceeding from.

We would not know any of this save by revelation.
The Scriptures make it clear that the Holy Spirit is the Lord Himself.
God’s Spirit is personified as the Comforter or Advocate. The Spirit is the Spirit of the Father working in them. The Father is the person. He doesn’t send another person as if the fullness of Himself were two persons.
He simply imparts His Spirit upon others. The Spirit that proceeds from His own person.
 
God’s Spirit is personified as the Comforter or Advocate. The Spirit is the Spirit of the Father working in them. The Father is the person. He doesn’t send another person as if the fullness of Himself were two persons.
He simply imparts His Spirit upon others. The Spirit that proceeds from His own person.

Yet, Scripture clearly states that the Holy Spirit is "sent" and "proceeds forth" from the Father. Indicating two Persons Who are One Lord.
 
God’s Spirit is personified as the Comforter or Advocate. The Spirit is the Spirit of the Father working in them. The Father is the person. He doesn’t send another person as if the fullness of Himself were two persons.
He simply imparts His Spirit upon others. The Spirit that proceeds from His own person.
That doesn’t really explain anything. Either the Holy Spirit is the Father or is distinct from the Father. Which is it? And, is the Holy Spirit a “he” or an “it”?
 
Yet, Scripture clearly states that the Holy Spirit is "sent" and "proceeds forth" from the Father. Indicating two Persons Who are One Lord.
It indicates that the Father was to send of His spirit. It doesn’t indicate He was to send another person.
To “proceed forth” means to come from a source. To originate from someone or something.
The rays of the sun originate from the sun. The streams of a river originate from the river.
The Spirit of the Father originates from the Father. The Father is the source of His Spirit.

Jesus was to ascend to the Father so that the Father could send His Spirit. The sending of His Spirit were to be gifts to men.
It’s the sending of gifts from the Father to men.
The gifts were a measure of the Spirit of the Father given to men. Also called a measure of the gift of Christ.

They were given gifts of things that belong to the Father, from the Father, by His spirit.

The Father has all knowledge, and He can impart knowledge to another by the giving of His Spirit to another.

He is not giving of another person. He is giving of what belongs to His person.
 
That doesn’t really explain anything. Either the Holy Spirit is the Father or is distinct from the Father. Which is it? And, is the Holy Spirit a “he” or an “it”?
The Spirit of the Father proceeds from the Father. Like the rays of light proceed from the sun.
 
The Spirit of the Father proceeds from the Father. Like the rays of light proceed from the sun.
You're avoiding answering the questions. Is the Holy Spirit the Father or distinct from him? Is the Holy Spirit a "he" or an "it"?
 
You're avoiding answering the questions. Is the Holy Spirit the Father or distinct from him? Is the Holy Spirit a "he" or an "it"?
I’m not avoiding the question. You simply don’t want to accept the answer.
As I said, and if you had read it, you’d know what I already said.
The Father is the person. The Spirit is personified as the Comforter or Advocate.
When something is personified it is referred to as “he”.
“When he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will lead you into all truth” personification.
 
I’m not avoiding the question. You simply don’t want to accept the answer.
As I said, and if you had read it, you’d know what I already said.
The Father is the person. The Spirit is personified as the Comforter or Advocate.
When something is personified it is referred to as “he”.
“When he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will lead you into all truth” personification.
You're not avoiding the question, you're avoiding the questions: Is the Holy Spirit the Father or distinct from him? Is the Holy Spirit a "he" or an "it"?

Do you want me to assume and answer for you? You think the Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father and is an it. Would that be correct?
 
Often this debate focuses on the Son of God. But I would like to focus on the Holy Spirit.
My challenge to the Oneness Pentecostals and other Modalists is simple:
That the Holy Spirit is fully God (which includes His Personhood), is a given in the debate with a Oneness adherent, thus, I say the following with that given in mind. If others who think that the Holy Spirit is an "it" or some "thing" wish to enter the debate, pleasde explain what the Holy Spirit of God can possibly be, if not fully God?
To the Oneness I say:
The Lord says that the Holy Spirit "....proceeds from the Father" (John 15:26).
Obviously, there are TWO PERSONS described here. The One Who proceeds from the First, and the One from Whom the Second proceeds.
Two Persons. How can there be anything else?

Here’s the truth.


For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

Oneness teaches this one is three.

Scripture teaches these three are one.
 
You're not avoiding the question, you're avoiding the questions: Is the Holy Spirit the Father or distinct from him? Is the Holy Spirit a "he" or an "it"?

Do you want me to assume and answer for you? You think the Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father and is an it. Would that be correct?
I don’t make stuff up the RCC and her followers.

The spirit of God is the spirit of the Father. The Father can impart of His spirit to others.
He does not impart another person. He imparts of His spirit.

Believe it or not.
 
I don’t make stuff up the RCC and her followers.

The spirit of God is the spirit of the Father. The Father can impart of His spirit to others.
He does not impart another person. He imparts of His spirit.

Believe it or not.
Again, you're avoiding what I'm asking and saying.

1. Is the Holy Spirit the Father or distinct from him?
2. Is the Holy Spirit a "he" or an "it"?
3. You think the Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father and is an it. Would that be correct?
 
Again, you're avoiding what I'm asking and saying.

1. Is the Holy Spirit the Father or distinct from him?
2. Is the Holy Spirit a "he" or an "it"?
3. You think the Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father and is an it. Would that be correct?
1. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father.
2. The Holy Spirit is personified as Comforter
3. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father.

Trinitarians tell me there are three distinct persons who are God.

What is the distinction?

It depends on who you ask.
 
Suppose the Holy Spirit would be upon someone to allow them to heal the sick.
Would that person be God? No.

That person would have a measure of the gift of God to perform a work that only God can do.
That person would have a measure of the fullness of the Spirit of God that the Father has Himself.
The fullness of Spirit belongs to the Father.
And the fullness of His Spirit He gave to His Son.

The Father is the original source from which all things flow.
 
1. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father.
2. The Holy Spirit is personified as Comforter
3. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father.

Trinitarians tell me there are three distinct persons who are God.

What is the distinction?

It depends on who you ask.
Why don’t you want to answer my questions? Even just number three, is it correct?
 
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