No, you didn't. You just keep repeating without actually answering. There is a difference between merely responding to questions and actually answering them.
Again, is even number three correct? Yes or no will do.
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One God Three Persons or One God One Person?
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Again, is even number three correct? Yes or no will do.
Dyonisius the Areopagite
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2nd Corinthians 3:17 states very clearly that the Spirit BOTH is the Lord, and OF the Lord.
You are making it seem that you are saying the Holy Spirit is only a part of God's Spirit, rather than fully being God. Scripture contradicts that notion.
I will be able to answer your post to me later. I wish to address it point for point.
This word be the only place where the Spirit is said to be the Lord.
You won’t find the Spirit referred to as Lord anywhere else.
However, “the Lord is that Spirit” refers to Jesus.
So, what else you got?
Jesus is that Spirit, and where the Spirit of Jesus is, there is liberty.
The Holy Spirit is not only referred to as the Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, and the Spirit of your Father, but also the Spirit of Christ or the Son (Acts 16:6-7; Rom 8:9; Gal 4:6; Phil 1:19; 1 Pet 1:11).2Co 3:17 - Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
This word be the only place where the Spirit is said to be the Lord.
You won’t find the Spirit referred to as Lord anywhere else.
However, “the Lord is that Spirit” refers to Jesus.
So, what else you got?
Jesus is that Spirit, and where the Spirit of Jesus is, there is liberty.
Importantly, Peter says that the OT prophets prophesied by the "Spirit of Christ":
1Pe 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully,
1Pe 1:11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. (ESV)
Yet, we see in the OT that the prophets prophesied by the Spirit of God. This supports Paul referring to the Holy Spirit as both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ, in the same breath even:
Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. (ESV)
Additionally, the Holy Spirit:
Acts: Matt 4:1; Acts 8:39, 16:7
Listens: John 16:13
Speaks: John 16:13-15; Acts 1:16, 10:19, 11:12, 11:28, 13:2, 15:28; 1 Tim 4:1; Heb 3:7
Can be lied to: Acts 5:3, which is the same as lying to God (5:9)
Bears witness: Rom 8:16; Heb 10:15; 1 John 5:6
Helps, intercedes, and searches: John 14:16, 15:26, 16:7; Rom 8:26-27; 1 Cor 2:10
Teaches: Luke 12:12; John 16:13; 1 Cor 2:13
Gives gifts: Acts 20:28; 1 Cor 12:11; Heb 2:4
Leads: John 16:13; Gal 5:18, Heb 9:8
Can be grieved: Eph 4:30
Can be outraged: Heb 10:29
Can be blasphemed: Matt 12:31-32
Convicts: John 16:8-11
And on it goes. These are all actions of personal agency, as is advocating. The Holy Spirit cannot be an advocate if he is not a person. Advocates can only be persons, by definition. This is also why Jesus said he would send another Advocate, the Holy Spirit, because he was the first one.
I’m trying to help you out here.
The Father has spirit which is referred to as the spirit of God.
His spirit is what makes Him what He is. His spirit is the fullness of what and who He is.
And He has the ability to impart of His Spirit upon others. This does not diminish any of His Spirit from the fullness of Him.
IOW a pouring out of His Spirit does not drain Him of spirit like a pitcher of water being poured into a glass. The fullness remains in Him.
Dyonisius the Areopagite
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2Co 3:17 - Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
This word be the only place where the Spirit is said to be the Lord.
You won’t find the Spirit referred to as Lord anywhere else.
However, “the Lord is that Spirit” refers to Jesus.
So, what else you got?
Jesus is that Spirit, and where the Spirit of Jesus is, there is liberty.
Do I need anything else? Why?
Furthermore I have what I have already stated and you have not refuted it. Instead inmputing some kind of division in God where He gives for only some "part" of His Spirit so that His Spirit does not have His Person. His Personal Presence is not in His Spirit which He gives forth. I say that is preposterous.
Jesus most definitely is Lord. So is the Father. And so is the Holy Spirit. They are ALL THREE Lord.
Dyonisius the Areopagite
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Thanks for all of your responses. I will answer you in full when it is possible.
I'm trying to help you out. I don't ask questions for the fun of it. They're supposed to get you to think about what you're saying.
Now here you are saying "The Father has spirit which is referred to as the spirit of God." This suggests that God's spirit is distinct from God. So, now you have to decide if God's spirit is an "it" or a "he. What do you mean by "The Father has spirit"?
The problem for you is that we are told "God is spirit," by Jesus himself:
Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (ESV)
So, now you're saying the Father, who is spirit, also has spirit. Please, explain how that makes sense. How does a spirit have spirit?
God is spirit and does not have spirit that "makes Him what he is." He is spirit, that is his nature, just as it is "light" (1 John 1:5) and "love" (1 John 4:8, 16).
Does the Father have a location?
I agree with what omnipresence is generally taken to mean, namely, that God is everywhere and has always been so.
I can’t see how anyone could understand how the Spirit of the Father be sent from the Father if the Father has no location.
If we understand that Jesus ascended to the Father and that the Father is in heaven, then we could understand how He could send of His Spirit. How His Spirit is said to proceed from Him.
And how others could be said to receive the sent Holy Spirit.
Just as I thought. You asked the question to once again avoid addressing my post, the previous one.
There’s no point if you reject that Jesus ascended to the Father, received the gifts of the Spirit, and sent them down to his disciples .
Anyone who rejects that could not possibly understand the Spirit of God.
Bringing in something that had nothing to do with what we were talking about. I can only assume that you’re once again deflecting to avoid answering things too difficult for your position. Typical anti-Trinitarian tactic in these forums.
I thought we were talking about the Holy Spirt or the Spirit of the Father, same thing.
What are you talking about?
Please respond to the previous post you avoided, #29, or even #24 if you want to go back a bit further.
I didn’t avoid the post. It’s nonsense.
It’s become obvious that this discussion can go nowhere because you reject that Jesus ascended to the Father and received the gifts of His Spirit which he sent down to his disciples.
Again, you answered nothing in post #29 nor post #24. You not only expect me to address your posts without addressing mine, you then make assumptions about what I believe.
This is the Apologetics forum. We expect members to address others’ posts and not evade, to provide support for their assertions, and, like everywhere else, to debate honestly. If you can’t do those things, then maybe the Apologetics forum isn’t for you.
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Dyonisius the Areopagite
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The Lord sends His Spirit into Creation. Creation exists WITHIN GOD.
"For in Him we move and breathe and have our being".....St. Paul