One Nation Under Many gods?

[Solo]

How many of the 250 founding fathers were Christians?

How many of the founding fathers acknowledged the Judeo-Chrisian God Almighty?

In the time of the founding of this nation, how many of the founding fathers were (Note the number of current day adherants) considered a part of:

• Christianity: 2.1 billion
  
  Islam: 1.3 billion
  
  Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
  
  Hinduism: 900 million
  
  Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
  
  Buddhism: 376 million
  
  primal-indigenous: 300 million
  
  African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
  
  Sikhism: 23 million
  
  Juche: 19 million
  
  Spiritism: 15 million
  
  Judaism: 14 million
  
  Baha'i: 7 million
  
  Jainism: 4.2 million
  
  Shinto: 4 million
  
  Cao Dai: 4 million
  
  Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
  
  Tenrikyo: 2 million
  
  Neo-Paganism: 1 million
  
  Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
  
  Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
  
  Scientology: 500 thousand

How many of the founding fathers would found a non-Christian nation?

With the few quotes that I have posted, which of those founding fathers thought that the United States is a non-Christian nation?

Would satan want a Christian nation?
Would God want a Christian nation?

 

[Solo]

America's founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state, as shown by the fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their state constitutions:

• Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution…
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• Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land …
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• Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...
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• Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...
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• California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom.
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• Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe .
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• Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...
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• Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.
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• Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty ... establish this Constitution...
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• Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...
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• Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance, establish this Constitution…
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• Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings …
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• Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
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• Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of government...
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• Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution.
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• Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges, establish this Constitution.
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• Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...
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• Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy …
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• Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction.
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• Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...
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• Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe...in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction ...
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• Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom ... establish this Constitution.
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• Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings…
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• Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
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• Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness… establish this Constitution...
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• Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution...
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• Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom... establish this Constitution.
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• Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution...
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• New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
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• New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
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• New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty...
  New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
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• North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those…
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• North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...
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• Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common...
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• Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this.
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• Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences.
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• Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance…
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• Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing…
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• South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution…
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• South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties, establish this…
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• Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...
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• Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God…
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• Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution…
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• Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man...
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• Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator … can be directed only by Reason ... and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other...
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• Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution.
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• West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia... reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God.
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• Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility
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• Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this Constitution.[/*:m:0eea6]

After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe, just maybe, the ACLU and the out-of-control federal courts are wrong!

"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." - William Penn

 

[destiny]

America's founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state, as shown by the fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their state constitutions:

I believe you're right ....Preach it, brother!

 

[Solo]

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Thanks.

Solo

 

[Lewis]

Yes Solo' you go dude' I proved that when I first joined this board 2 years ago. This was a Christian nation founded under Biblical principles. And there was no separation of church and state. The USA has went down the tubes man. I think I was up against' Lyrics Dad' Peace For All' and Quath. on this subject' when I first joined.

 

[Solo]

Yes Solo' you go dude' I proved that when I first joined this board 2 years ago. This was a Christian nation founded under Biblical principles. And there was no separation of church and state. The USA has went down the tubes man. I think I was up against' Lyrics Dad' Peace For All' and Quath. on this subject' when I first joined.

Some of us know the truth, brother!!!

 

[Guest]

Can the USA be a Christian Nation and allow for religious freedom of other religions?

 

[Solo]

Can the USA be a Christian Nation and allow for religious freedom of other religions?

God does not mandate that you become a Christian, so why should a Christian nation be any different?

 

[Guest]

God does not mandate that you become a Christian, so why should a Christian nation be any different?

So a Christian Nation can have a Buddhist or a Hindu or a Catholic as President and still be considered a "Chrsitian Nation?"

Were the aliens living within the Hebrew nation allowed to worhsip their gods (as per the OT?)

 

[Solo]

So a Christian Nation can have a Buddhist or a Hindu or a Catholic as President and still be considered a "Chrsitian Nation?"

Were the aliens living within the Hebrew nation allowed to worhsip their gods (as per the OT?)

You should start a thread called, "Who wants to argue with me".

However, The United States has never had a Buddhist president, nor has the United States ever had a Hindu president. The first Catholic president was elected in 1960, and for all intensive purposes, the Roman Catholics are considered Christian by most in this nation today, but the founding fathers thought differently.

The United States was founded as a Christian nation. Will it remain a Christian nation? Not according to the Scriptures. By the time the liberal progressive Democrats get done with it, it will be as antiChristian as the other progressive socialist nations.

I recognize that it is against your typical response to agree with any points made, but the information that I have posted in this thread have shown that the United States of America was founded as a Christian nation. Only the anti-American, anti-Christian, pro-socialist, pro-progressive folks think otherwise.

 

[Guest]

You should start a thread called, "Who wants to argue with me".

However, The United States has never had a Buddhist president, nor has the United States ever had a Hindu president. The first Catholic president was elected in 1960, and for all intensive purposes, the Roman Catholics are considered Christian by most in this nation today, but the founding fathers thought differently.

The United States was founded as a Christian nation. Will it remain a Christian nation? Not according to the Scriptures. By the time the liberal progressive Democrats get done with it, it will be as antiChristian as the other progressive socialist nations.

I recognize that it is against your typical response to agree with any points made, but the information that I have posted in this thread have shown that the United States of America was founded as a Christian nation. Only the anti-American, anti-Christian, pro-socialist, pro-progressive folks think otherwise.

Can you please provide just one quote of mine on this thread where I have said that we were not started with Christian principles?

You state that according to Scripture we will not stay a Christian nation - would you provide the reference as well as the reference stating that we were to be a Christian nation?

You have provided words in regards to the founding fathers - yet for some reason you do not wish to discuss the actions of the founding fathers and the early settlers - why do you not allow this discussion?

Under Constatine Rome was considered "Christian" - yet look at the actions of Constatine - was Rome "Christian" during that time?

 

[destiny]

My idea of a christian nation isn't of one that doesn't allow a person the freedom to worship their god whomever that may be, it is a nation who puts God the Father whose son in Jesus Christ above all other gods and believes in Him alone.
And this is who that nation prays to exclusively in government, yet does not mandate this to the private citizens.

Kinda like how it was when our grandparents were coming up.

 

[Guest]

My idea of a christian nation isn't of one that doesn't allow a person the freedom to worship their god whomever that may be, it is a nation who puts God the Father whose son in Jesus Christ above all other gods and believes in Him alone.
And this is who that nation prays to exclusively in government, yet does not mandate this to the private citizens.

Kinda like how it was when our grandparents were coming up.

Is it possible to have a government body that is exclusively one 'religion', but yet not have it's private citizens mandated - implicity or explicity- to follow that same 'religion'?

 

[destiny]

Is it possible to have a government body that is exclusively one 'religion', but yet not have it's private citizens mandated - implicity or explicity- to follow that same 'religion'?

Yes, and this is what it was like in the not so distant past. But, I believe the spiritual condition of a nation is reflected in the government. As the church falls more and more into apostasy the government too will become more corrupt and apt to chase other gods.
All rooted in the spiritual condition of the church.

 

[Solo]

Yes, and this is what it was like in the not so distant past. But, I believe the spiritual condition of a nation is reflected in the government. As the church falls more and more into apostasy the government too will become more corrupt and apt to chase other gods.
All rooted in the spiritual condition of the church.

Nice post destiny! I love it when you declare the truth so simply regardless of others' biases which align against the truth.

 

[Guest]

Yes, and this is what it was like in the not so distant past. But, I believe the spiritual condition of a nation is reflected in the government. As the church falls more and more into apostasy the government too will become more corrupt and apt to chase other gods.
All rooted in the spiritual condition of the church.

I would agree that it is the spiritual condition of the churches which make up the Body of Christ that needs to be 'fixed' before one can hope to 'fix' the government.

Destiny, if I have not made it clear allow me to now, my questions are not meant to suggest that I disagree with you - rather the are meant to penetrate and delve deeper.

Unfortunately sometimes questions are seen as being "anti" - rather than a means to dig deeper. My questions are meant to merely seek better understanding of the person posting - not to be divisive. I believe all too often we can make assumptions without true knowledge. Forgive me, I seem to be getting off topic a tad.

One problem that I do see with your position. however, is in a pluralistic nation - there will always be the 'downward' spiral as we are seeing now. For example, looking at the Hebrew nation from the OT - while "aliens" were permitted in - they were not permitted to worship their false gods. In fact, it is when the false gods were allowed to be worship, that the nation of Israel had their problems.

I would suggest that if we are to be a "Christian" nation - then it has to go all the way.

 

[destiny]

I would agree that it is the spiritual condition of the churches which make up the Body of Christ that needs to be 'fixed' before one can hope to 'fix' the government.

Destiny, if I have not made it clear allow me to now, my questions are not meant to suggest that I disagree with you - rather the are meant to penetrate and delve deeper.

Unfortunately sometimes questions are seen as being "anti" - rather than a means to dig deeper. My questions are meant to merely seek better understanding of the person posting - not to be divisive. I believe all too often we can make assumptions without true knowledge. Forgive me, I seem to be getting off topic a tad.

One problem that I do see with your position. however, is in a pluralistic nation - there will always be the 'downward' spiral as we are seeing now. For example, looking at the Hebrew nation from the OT - while "aliens" were permitted in - they were not permitted to worship their false gods. In fact, it is when the false gods were allowed to be worship, that the nation of Israel had their problems.

I would suggest that if we are to be a "Christian" nation - then it has to go all the way.

I know you like to ask questions from the "otherside of the coin" sometimes, alonevoice ...but I understand where you stand spiritually in Christ.
I think "where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty" is not only a spiritual principle but a natural one as well. When we see His Spirit departing we see freedoms begin to vanish also. I don't feel any religion should ever be mandated to have to worship the God of the bible, nor does God want that. I don't feel that it's other religions who won't be able to worship their Gods as we spiral downhill here in America, I feel it will be Christians who will suffer persecution.
I don't think any christian wants to restrict the freedom of another persons right to worship their god, but I do feel we want our God to be overall acknowledged as the God to whom we as a nation put our trust in. This isn't to say one can't choose on an individual basis.

This is just an ideal now ....though it was once reality.

 

[Devekut]

The problem with the idea of the American government being Christian but society being plural is that this is a democracy, meaning that people are elected out of this pluralism. If the government is meant to represent the people then it is understandable that many of the people elected will come to practice religions besides Christianity, including Hinduism.

The idea of Christian government that allows for freedom of faith amongst its citizens works, arguably, under a monarchy where the government has traditionally been held to have represented the national religion. Its' a different case with a democracy.

 

[destiny]

Of course it would take a predominately christian society in order to have a government that acknowledged our God. No different than 50 years ago more or less.

Now we have a society that is christian in name only and our government is a testament to this.

 

[Guest]

I know you like to ask questions from the "otherside of the coin" sometimes, alonevoice ...but I understand where you stand spiritually in Christ.

Thank you, I appreciate that

I think "where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty" is not only a spiritual principle but a natural one as well. When we see His Spirit departing we see freedoms begin to vanish also. I don't feel any religion should ever be mandated to have to worship the God of the bible, nor does God want that. I don't feel that it's other religions who won't be able to worship their Gods as we spiral downhill here in America, I feel it will be Christians who will suffer persecution.

I agree that "in Christ' we have freedom. However, like Paul cautions us - "not everything is profitable". And yes, Christians might very well face persecution - but is that a bad thing? Is that something that we are to work to avoid? Did Jesus warn us that we not only should except it, but also rejoice in it? Matthew 5:11-12 for starters.

I don't think any christian wants to restrict the freedom of another persons right to worship their god, but I do feel we want our God to be overall acknowledged as the God to whom we as a nation put our trust in. This isn't to say one can't choose on an individual basis.

This is just an ideal now ....though it was once reality.

Forgive me, but it was once a reality because there wasn't as much of a pluralistic society as we have today. For example, take the quotes provided by Solo - in their context of when they were spoken, the only 'religion' represented was Christianity. The "freedom" that was being written about was freedom of various denominations all within Christianity.

Not to mention, that should we not then hold our political represenatives accountable to spritual matters just as we would within the Church community?

What are the fruits of our politicians? Are they bearing spiritual fruit?