One reason why Hindus should be Conservative Christians!

[Soma-Sight]

Since the majority of moderators and senior members of the board here are conservative fundamentalist Christians.....

I thought in DEFENCE of YOUR views I would point out ONE reason why Hindus should convert to your creed.....

You teach that man DOES NOT have another shot at enlightenment/salvation/grace... etc......

The Hindus teach that YOU DO have another shot until you "get it right" so to speak....

So if the Hindu is right than the Conservative Christian will still get another chance to attain the supreme goal.......

But if the Christian is right than the Hindu WILL NOT get another chance to attain the supreme goal!


:roll:

As far as this being the "right" reason to convert.... well probably not....

but I thought I woul try and be a little less biased and take your stance for a change!

 

[Solo]

Since the majority of moderators and senior members of the board here are conservative fundamentalist Christians.....

I thought in DEFENCE of YOUR views I would point out ONE reason why Hindus should convert to your creed.....

You teach that man DOES NOT have another shot at enlightenment/salvation/grace... etc......

The Hindus teach that YOU DO have another shot until you "get it right" so to speak....

So if the Hindu is right than the Conservative Christian will still get another chance to attain the supreme goal.......

But if the Christian is right than the Hindu WILL NOT get another chance to attain the supreme goal!


:roll:

As far as this being the "right" reason to convert.... well probably not....

but I thought I woul try and be a little less biased and take your stance for a change!

Some would say that the conservative fundalmentalist Christian way is narrow, while other religions of man were broad and open. What did Jesus mean when he stated the following?

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Since the majority of moderators and senior members of the board here are conservative fundamentalist Christians.....

I thought in DEFENCE of YOUR views I would point out ONE reason why Hindus should convert to your creed.....

You teach that man DOES NOT have another shot at enlightenment/salvation/grace... etc......

The Hindus teach that YOU DO have another shot until you "get it right" so to speak....

So if the Hindu is right than the Conservative Christian will still get another chance to attain the supreme goal.......

But if the Christian is right than the Hindu WILL NOT get another chance to attain the supreme goal!


:roll:

As far as this being the "right" reason to convert.... well probably not....

but I thought I woul try and be a little less biased and take your stance for a change!

Some would say that the conservative fundalmentalist Christian way is narrow, while other religions of man were broad and open. What did Jesus mean when he stated the following?

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14

I believe that I would state it this way: I don't object at all to a narrow way- for myself. My complaint is that Fundies make the way narrow for others and broad for themselves. consider-
*being saved: Fundies already are, in their estimation saved, so they need do nothing. Everyone else must adjust to them.
*Moral law- Fundies point out rightly the existence of the moral law in holy scripture. When challenged on points of moral law themselves- including and especially the points about how they speak to the 'lost'- they justify their harshness and rebuke those who otherwise catch them in trespass
*authority- Fundies would exercise the authority of scripture over those outside what they consider 'the Church'- yet balk at the authority of any church that they, themselves, individually do not recognize as authorative
*divorce, adultery, and other moral indicators- it is well known that these rates among Evangelicals rival those of the people who claim no religious affiliation. It's all good if you buy into OSAS

So here are the Fundies damning the unchurched because they're profligate, or homosexual, or faithless

yet these same condemn us who say that God's statutes, while not granting us righteousness/justification in the keeping of, nevertheless are necessary. What else is a "narrow way?"

 

[Gary]

Your true colours are showing through yet again OC. YOU know it all; everyone else is always wrong, especially Evangelicals.

*being saved: Fundies already are, in their estimation saved, so they need do nothing. Everyone else must adjust to them.

Not true. You have very little understanding of "salvation" and "works" as Jason has already shown.

*Moral law- Fundies point out rightly the existence of the moral law in holy scripture. When challenged on points of moral law themselves- including and especially the points about how they speak to the 'lost'- they justify their harshness and rebuke those who otherwise catch them in trespass

Should we all adopt your "superior" evangelising skills? What a joke! You have crossed swords and been rude and "superior" to almost every member on this board.

*authority- Fundies would exercise the authority of scripture over those outside what they consider 'the Church'- yet balk at the authority of any church that they, themselves, individually do not recognize as authorative

Wrong again. Sola Scriptura is often misunderstood and misrepresented. Sola Scriptura is not a denial of the church's authority to teach God's revelation. The Church is 'the pillar and foundation of the truth' (1 Timothy 3:15) because it upholds and teaches the Word of God. However the church cannot add doctrines of human origin or contradict the God-breathed Scriptures. The church's authority is subordinate to the authority of the Bible. Moreover, the church is commissioned to preach the Word orally, and to transmit the Christian Gospel from one generation to the next. The most enthusiastic proponents of sola Scriptura do so eagerly and do their best to make sure that their preaching is consistent with the written Word of God.

If you still do not understand the concepts, read this:
http://www.justforcatholics.org/a74.htm

*divorce, adultery, and other moral indicators- it is well known that these rates among Evangelicals rival those of the people who claim no religious affiliation. It's all good if you buy into OSAS

Proof please. (Before you quote Barna studies, consider this: http://www.divorcereform.org/mel/rreligion.html )

Should we also not look at your favorite RCC and consider the rate of homosexual activity amongst your priests? The log is huge in your own eye.

:-?

 

[Solo]

[quote="Soma-Sight":9c60d]Since the majority of moderators and senior members of the board here are conservative fundamentalist Christians.....

I thought in DEFENCE of YOUR views I would point out ONE reason why Hindus should convert to your creed.....

You teach that man DOES NOT have another shot at enlightenment/salvation/grace... etc......

The Hindus teach that YOU DO have another shot until you "get it right" so to speak....

So if the Hindu is right than the Conservative Christian will still get another chance to attain the supreme goal.......

But if the Christian is right than the Hindu WILL NOT get another chance to attain the supreme goal!


:roll:

As far as this being the "right" reason to convert.... well probably not....

but I thought I woul try and be a little less biased and take your stance for a change!

Some would say that the conservative fundalmentalist Christian way is narrow, while other religions of man were broad and open. What did Jesus mean when he stated the following?

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14

I believe that I would state it this way: I don't object at all to a narrow way- for myself. My complaint is that Fundies make the way narrow for others and broad for themselves. consider-
*being saved: Fundies already are, in their estimation saved, so they need do nothing. Everyone else must adjust to them.
*Moral law- Fundies point out rightly the existence of the moral law in holy scripture. When challenged on points of moral law themselves- including and especially the points about how they speak to the 'lost'- they justify their harshness and rebuke those who otherwise catch them in trespass
*authority- Fundies would exercise the authority of scripture over those outside what they consider 'the Church'- yet balk at the authority of any church that they, themselves, individually do not recognize as authorative
*divorce, adultery, and other moral indicators- it is well known that these rates among Evangelicals rival those of the people who claim no religious affiliation. It's all good if you buy into OSAS

So here are the Fundies damning the unchurched because they're profligate, or homosexual, or faithless

yet these same condemn us who say that God's statutes, while not granting us righteousness/justification in the keeping of, nevertheless are necessary. What else is a "narrow way?"[/quote:9c60d]
That's where you have your perception screwed up Ortho. When you understand what the Church really is, then you will know that you have been wrong, and the Bible is true. You keep throwing up generalizations without scripture, and that is the manner of most anti-christian accusers. I am doubting your actual position in the body of Christ because of the antichristian remarks that you hang your beliefs on. Instead of commenting on the anti-ecumenical stance on Jesus' teaching of narrow is the way to heaven and few that find it, and the popularity of criticizing conservative fundamental Christians, I suspect that you and satan are pretty pissed off about some having the truth, while others serve him in his move to have the world worship him. Who would be more likely to worship the antiChrist and/or satan if he stands as pope, those in the Catholic Church or Fundies?

PS Those that believe and are following the fundamental conservative word of God, are sounding the warning for those that are condemned per the Word. They are not damning anyone. You see, everyone who is not a born again believer is condemned already. No tradition, just scripture. Try reading Romans one time after praying for God to lead you into all truth. Fundamentalists won't damn anyone, they will damn themselves through unbelief. Wake up.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Your true colours are showing through yet again OC. YOU know it all; everyone else is always wrong, especially Evangelicals.

Stop right there, Gary- we are expressly charged by the rules of this forum to attack ideas, and not people. You are making this personal.

*Moral law- Fundies point out rightly the existence of the moral law in holy scripture. When challenged on points of moral law themselves- including and especially the points about how they speak to the 'lost'- they justify their harshness and rebuke those who otherwise catch them in trespass

Should we all adopt your "superior" evangelising skills? What a joke! You have crossed swords and been rude and "superior" to almost every member on this board.

Again, Gary, this is not to be made personal. I don't see you object when Catholics are attacked, do I? Of course not. Dish it out but can't take it syndrome.

*authority- Fundies would exercise the authority of scripture over those outside what they consider 'the Church'- yet balk at the authority of any church that they, themselves, individually do not recognize as authorative

Wrong again. Sola Scriptura is often misunderstood and misrepresented. Sola Scriptura is not a denial of the church's authority to teach God's revelation. The Church is 'the pillar and foundation of the truth' (1 Timothy 3:15) because it upholds and teaches the Word of God. However the church cannot add doctrines of human origin or contradict the God-breathed Scriptures. The church's authority is subordinate to the authority of the Bible. Moreover, the church is commissioned to preach the Word orally, and to transmit the Christian Gospel from one generation to the next. The most enthusiastic proponents of sola Scriptura do so eagerly and do their best to make sure that their preaching is consistent with the written Word of God.

You speak as if this hypothetical entity 'the church' is an identifiable Body with shared authority and agreement. There is no singularity of 'church' among those who claim sola scriptura.

If you still do not understand the concepts, read this:
http://www.justforcatholics.org/a74.htm

The manner in which they explain 'sola scriptura' is deceptive. On one hand, they call upon the concept of kanona- measure- which is what the scripture was presented as by the Church. On the other hand, they say "no addition of man-made doctrines." This, of course, is folly, for any hermeneutical system, any statement of faith, any exegetical position can rightly be labelled by an opposing party a "man-made doctrine"- for it is the thinking and shared belief of men.

The only issue of some reasonable contention is the idea of that which contradicts, or goes against the measure of scripture. Paid indulgences would be a fine example of that- as the Catholic Church has acknowledged.

*divorce, adultery, and other moral indicators- it is well known that these rates among Evangelicals rival those of the people who claim no religious affiliation. It's all good if you buy into OSAS

Proof please. (Before you quote Barna studies, consider this: http://www.divorcereform.org/mel/rreligion.html )

Should we also not look at your favorite RCC and consider the rate of homosexual activity amongst your priests? The log is huge in your own eye.

Actually, Gary, I was pointing out the log in the eye of the oh-so-self-righteous Fundies who CLEARLY are the ones who cast aspersions at others. If you can't handle some of your own medicine, Gary, then I suggest you simply ignore this thread.

Catholic priests are not my priests, Gary. See the word orthodox in my name, and how it's capitalized? That should be clear enough, I should think.


Now let's not make this a personal matter, Gary. If you don't like me, that's cool. I've made it very clear that I am at odds with a specific perspective with Evangelicalism, not Evangelicals per se. Far from it.

James

 

[DivineNames]

I suspect that you and satan are pretty pissed off about some having the truth

That must be it...

:D

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Okay, let's take a breather. We cannot let this become personal. Please step back and get back on target.

Thanks

 

[Orthodox Christian]

I suspect that you and satan are pretty pissed off about some having the truth, while others serve him in his move to have the world worship him.

Yes, I was just speaking to my master Satan about this very thing this morning.

God bless you, Solo, you make a compelling counterargument. Those who see a problem with the Fundamentalist approach are in league with Satan.

I am doubting your actual position in the body of Christ

My position in the Body of Christ is no more or less sure than yours, objectively speaking.

Try reading Romans one time after praying for God to lead you into all truth.

Thanks for the suggestion. Now allow me to ask you to not give any more suggestions until you do so out of real concern, as opposed to offense. Thx
James

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Obviously my asking for people to not take personal shots was not taken seriously so for now, this one is locked.

Let's let this cool down and then it will re-open. When it does, it will be the expectation that people discuss the issues and not eachother. Failure to do so will result in warnings and the thread being deleted.

Thank you.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Okay, the topic is reopened now so let's please stay on target and eliminate the personal attacks.

Thanks.

 

[Soma-Sight]

thx LD,

I am gone a few days and I come back and it is locked!

Such passion these days!

Poor OC!

Anyways the point of this post is a pro - fundy one....

That is a hindu should convert because by his own doctrine if he is wrong he gets another shot anyways!

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Soma, that point you are getting at is actually one that I have tried with the mormons, unsuccessfully. I have told them that since they believe everyone gets some degree of heaven, if I am wrong, it will be okay in the end. I then reminded them that if the Bible is right, they are doomed. I guess they don't see it that way as to give up the mormon gospel is to forfeit their chance at godhood. Go figure.

 

[Gary]

... it sounds a bit like Pascal's wager.....

However, those who know the Lord Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour want to SHARE the Good News. Salvation is not about betting and odds.

Over the last two weeks, two of my (larger) family have moved closer to salvation and the Lord. To see them being drawn and responding is wonderful!

 

[ThinkerMan]

Soma, that point you are getting at is actually one that I have tried with the mormons, unsuccessfully. I have told them that since they believe everyone gets some degree of heaven, if I am wrong, it will be okay in the end. I then reminded them that if the Bible is right, they are doomed. I guess they don't see it that way as to give up the mormon gospel is to forfeit their chance at godhood. Go figure.

How is wishing to be god different than wishing for heaven?

In heaven, you have no wants or desires. You are perfectly happy and will exist for eternity. It will be perfection.

The difference between that and god is slight, if at all. Because if it was perfect, you could not wish nor achieve anything greater (i.e. being god).

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Soma, that point you are getting at is actually one that I have tried with the mormons, unsuccessfully. I have told them that since they believe everyone gets some degree of heaven, if I am wrong, it will be okay in the end. I then reminded them that if the Bible is right, they are doomed. I guess they don't see it that way as to give up the mormon gospel is to forfeit their chance at godhood. Go figure.

How is wishing to be god different than wishing for heaven?

In heaven, you have no wants or desires. You are perfectly happy and will exist for eternity. It will be perfection.

The difference between that and god is slight, if at all. Because if it was perfect, you could not wish nor achieve anything greater (i.e. being god).

Oh but it is so different. Heaven will be amazing but it would still be fantastic even if it was in the middle of a sewer somewhere as we will be with JESUS! Wanting to be a god and be over your own planet and solar system means you are without God but are the god. It is selfishness. I don't want to just float around on a cloud plucking a harp. I want to worship Jesus in Person. I want to experience HIS glory. I want to kneel at HIS throne, not have one of my own. I don't want to be a god. I want to be with GOD.

 

[Gary]

Oh but it is so different. Heaven will be amazing but it would still be fantastic even if it was in the middle of a sewer somewhere as we will be with JESUS! Wanting to be a god and be over your own planet and solar system means you are without God but are the god. It is selfishness. I don't want to just float around on a cloud plucking a harp. I want to worship Jesus in Person. I want to experience HIS glory. I want to kneel at HIS throne, not have one of my own. I don't want to be a god. I want to be with GOD.

Amen!! I know that feeling and desire Lyric's Dad. I can only imagine what it will be like to see Him and to worship Him.

I have also been on the other side of the fence, an atheist with nothing to desire or look forward to. That is a very sad place to be.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Oh but it is so different. Heaven will be amazing but it would still be fantastic even if it was in the middle of a sewer somewhere as we will be with JESUS! Wanting to be a god and be over your own planet and solar system means you are without God but are the god. It is selfishness. I don't want to just float around on a cloud plucking a harp. I want to worship Jesus in Person. I want to experience HIS glory. I want to kneel at HIS throne, not have one of my own. I don't want to be a god. I want to be with GOD.

Amen!! I know that feeling and desire Lyric's Dad. I can only imagine what it will be like to see Him and to worship Him.

I have also been on the other side of the fence, an atheist with nothing to desire or look forward to. That is a very sad place to be.

I hear you there. I remember before coming to Christ. My morning ritual would be to get a coke from the fridge, grab my cigarettes and head to the porch where I would have a couple of smokes while thinking how they were killing me and I was so terrified of death. Now, today, I am not scared to die at all and sort of look forward to it. Don't get me wrong. I don't look forward to the process of dying as sometimes that just plain SUCKS! but to seeing the One who lifted me from that life of fear. WOW! That day will be amazing.

 

[Soma-Sight]

How is wishing to be god different than wishing for heaven?

In heaven, you have no wants or desires. You are perfectly happy and will exist for eternity. It will be perfection.

The difference between that and god is slight, if at all. Because if it was perfect, you could not wish nor achieve anything greater (i.e. being god).

aha!

Keen observation!

 

[Solo]

How is wishing to be god different than wishing for heaven?

In heaven, you have no wants or desires. You are perfectly happy and will exist for eternity. It will be perfection.

The difference between that and god is slight, if at all. Because if it was perfect, you could not wish nor achieve anything greater (i.e. being god).

aha!

Keen observation!

Some it seems covet to be God while others covet to serve God. I wonder which choice is the correct choice? Does not satan covet to be God? And would the children of the devil choose as their father?