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One suicide every 40 seconds

There have been alot lately that I have read about.I am sure there are alot that people are not even aware of except for family and friends.What a tragedy for everyone involved.
 
Yes, I saw that. Tragic indeed. From the pharmaceutical standpoint the message is that we need more meds. Medicate them younger in elementary school. If you're over 50 medicate automatically. Yeah, that'll work, yeah. What's this nonsense about getting to the root cause?
 
tim-from-pa said:
Yes, I saw that. Tragic indeed. From the pharmaceutical standpoint the message is that we need more meds. Medicate them younger in elementary school. If you're over 50 medicate automatically. Yeah, that'll work, yeah. What's this nonsense about getting to the root cause?
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Are you being sarcastic about medicating?
 
tim-from-pa said:
Yes, I saw that. Tragic indeed. From the pharmaceutical standpoint the message is that we need more meds. Medicate them younger in elementary school. If you're over 50 medicate automatically. Yeah, that'll work, yeah. What's this nonsense about getting to the root cause?
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Maybe everyone else understood that post, but I'm afraid I missed what you were trying to say. Could you explain more?
 
Willie T said:
Maybe everyone else understood that post, but I'm afraid I missed what you were trying to say. Could you explain more?
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Yeah, Willie. It's called sarcasm. The pharmaceuticals are going to take this sad message and $$$ in on it by persuading people their meds are the answer. I did not address the actual problem of depression, but I'll say outright the reason is the same there's so much heart disease, cancer, allergies, arthritis, etc etc. We have to concentrate on our overall health, and even genetic modification we've experienced, but I guess that's another topic for another day.
 
tim-from-pa said:
Yeah, Willie. It's called sarcasm. The pharmaceuticals are going to take this sad message and $$$ in on it by persuading people their meds are the answer. I did not address the actual problem of depression, but I'll say outright the reason is the same there's so much heart disease, cancer, allergies, arthritis, etc etc. We have to concentrate on our overall health, and even genetic modification we've experienced, but I guess that's another topic for another day.
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So what is your RX for someone who is severely depressed?
 
some form of depressions are treated by lithium. what and where is lithium from? the earth. it naturally. but it has to be refined.do I think all people on meds need it? perhaps not but I don't have a degree nor training in counseling to make that call. so I wont.

rare is it with ptsd that meds are used but they are there. eating good wont erase what I have seen nor trauma.
 
jasonc said:
some form of depressions are treated by lithium. what and where is lithium from? the earth. it naturally. but it has to be refined.do I think all people on meds need it? perhaps not but I don't have a degree nor training in counseling to make that call. so I wont.

rare is it with ptsd that meds are used but they are there. eating good wont erase what I have seen nor trauma.
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Lithium is not really an "anti-depressant".It is more used for Bipolar.
 
Kathi said:
Lithium is not really an "anti-depressant".It is more used for Bipolar.
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lithium works for both. so do many of the anti seizure meds. depakane, Depakote and such like are the one my wife took for hers. she never took lithium for long as it didn't work for her. valium caused seizures.valium is a cousin lithium.
 
jasonc said:
lithium works for both. so do many of the anti seizure meds. depakane, Depakote and such like are the one my wife took for hers. she never took lithium for long as it didn't work for her. valium caused seizures.valium is a cousin lithium.
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You would not want to put your average person who is dealing with only depression on Lithium or Depakote which is for siezures.You just wouldn't do that.Valium and Ativan are Benzodiazepines.They are very addicting.You only want to use them for a short time.
 
Kathi said:
Lithium is not really an "anti-depressant".It is more used for Bipolar.
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Bipolar is a recent clinical word for Manic Depression. They were still calling it Manic Depression in the 60's and 70's even Jimi Hendrix made a song about it in 1967.
 
Kathi said:
You would not want to put your average person who is dealing with only depression on Lithium or Depakote which is for siezures.You just wouldn't do that.Valium and Ativan are Benzodiazepines.They are very addicting.You only want to use them for a short time.
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most of the meds for bi-polar are in fact seizure meds.
 
Kathi said:
So you would deny a person an anti depressant to even try that might very well keep them from commiting suicide?
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I'm just telling it like it is.... I'm not denying anybody anything as I don't have power to and even if I would, I would not act like that. That's what the government does where some gavel whacker forced people on these things, so whose side are you on accusing me of such power or trying to do that? Maybe drop the attitude and learn something about these things because they have severe side effects and oftentimes actually cause suicide. I'd rather trust God and the means he created to help people out of their dilemma. Too much faith is placed in meds to the point of being severely naive and bamboozled.
 
tim-from-pa said:
I'm just telling it like it is.... I'm not denying anybody anything as I don't have power to and even if I would, I would not act like that. That's what the government does where some gavel whacker forced people on these things, so whose side are you on accusing me of such power or trying to do that? Maybe drop the attitude and learn something about these things because they have severe side effects and oftentimes actually cause suicide. I'd rather trust God and the means he created to help people out of their dilemma. Too much faith is placed in meds to the point of being severely naive and bamboozled.
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The side effects...yes but sometimes much better than being dead.We trust God.God has put Psychologists and Psychiatrists in our lives for a reason.And also made the medications available.
 
Kathi said:
So what is your RX for someone who is severely depressed?
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Jesus gives the answer and cure:

Matthew 6:25-34 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

The Cure for Anxiety
25 “For this reason I say to you, [a]do not be worried about your [b]life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the [c]air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? 27 And who of you by being worried can add a single [d]hour to his [e]life? 28 And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, 29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31 Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’ 32 For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But [f]seek first [g]His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be [h]added to you.
34 “So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will [i]care for itself. [j]Each day has enough trouble of its own.
 
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