[_ Old Earth _] Opponents of Evolution Adopting a New Strategy

[John]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/us/04 ... ref=slogin

If this works, more kids will open there minds to the concept of creation and rid themselves of the grasp of evolution teaching.

 

[John]

http://strengthsandweaknesses.org/

 

[Barbarian]

If you're a creationist, the very last thing you want is people with science degrees in public school comparing the strengths and weaknesses of evolutionary theory and creationism.

It would be open season on pseudoscience.

Be careful what you wish for; you might get it.

 

[John]

^^^

No, just to teach the weakness of evolution so that the kids are more open to creation.

This would not teach the contraservy, just the weakness of the ToE, plus even if it was "open season" that would be fine to, because none of us wishes to live in a delusion. Its would be neat to see real evidance diproving God :

 

[Barbarian]

No, just to teach the weakness of evolution so that the kids are more open to creation.

But what would happen would be that the "weaknesses" would be shown to be simple misunderstandings or frauds by creationists. As you've learned here, everything they told you were weaknesses in evolution were frauds by creationists. Think about the the evidence discussed here, presented to public school students. The creationists would not want that in any way. But that's what would happen.

This would not teach the contraservy, just the weakness of the ToE, plus even if it was "open season" that would be fine to, because none of us wishes to live in a delusion. Its would be neat to see real evidance diproving God :

If you think that Darwin's theory is about disproving God (Darwin attributed the origin of life to God) you truly are living in a delusion.

 

[Jayls5]

I welcome real scientific criticism if creationism is not presented as the alternative. That's a false dichotomy right there.

Obviously, since it's the discovery institute, we know the motivation and what's going to go down. They're just playing a semantical game with terminology to avoid getting laughed out of court and the scientific community. To bad they've already got their reputation in both areas.

 

[John]

If you think that Darwin's theory is about disproving God (Darwin attributed the origin of life to God) you truly are living in a delusion.

Evolution goes against the Bible and therefore God.

 

[John]

To bad they've already got their reputation in both areas.

What harm is there is there in teaching the weaknesses? by not doing so you are almost lying to the kids.

 

[Jayls5]

If you think that Darwin's theory is about disproving God (Darwin attributed the origin of life to God) you truly are living in a delusion.

Evolution goes against my interpretation of the Bible and therefore God.

fixed.

 

[Deep Thought]

John, I'm curious if you concede that there are any weaknesses whatsoever in your Creationist view of the world, or do you see Creationism as 100% rock solid?

 

[Barbarian]

For a Christian, evolution is not in conflict with the Bible.

 

[John]

For a Christian, evolution is not in conflict with the Bible.

O please.

1.The Bible states ten times that life reproduces only after its own kind. As we observe the biological world all around us this fact is 100% true Dogs stay dogs, and people stay people. Yet evolution preaches that all life is a blurred continuum.


2.The God of the Bible demands unselfish sacrifice for the good of others. “...whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant.†(Matthew 20:27) Would this same God use a method of dead ends, extinctions, and survival of the fittest to make us? I think not.


3.Belief in evolution justified the excesses of the industrial revolution, the Nazi elimination of the Jews, and the rise of Marxism and Communism. It also serves as the primary justification for disbelief in God. Although believers in evolution attempt to distance themselves from taking their theory into a social realm, these historical atrocities are the undeniable result of taking evolution to its logical conclusion. If we are a product of biological forces; why not extend these forces into our dealing with other humans? Animal groups do not lament wiping each other out in order to survive. Why shouldn’t we be the same; if we are just part of an evolutionary process which formed us? Creation is the event which ultimately gives life value because it links every humans value to our Creator who loved us enough to die for us. Evolution is the opposite.
Abundant scientific evidence exists that microbe to man evolution has never taken place. The fossil record shows no credible links between major groups of plants and animals. The chemical structure of DNA contains useful information which could not have developed by natural processes. Also, there is abundant evidence for a worldwide flood which undermines the possibility that evolution could have happened.

 

[John]

John, I'm curious if you concede that there are any weaknesses whatsoever in your Creationist view of the world, or do you see Creationism as 100% rock solid?

While theories may differ the foundation is rock solid.

 

[John]

If you think that Darwin's theory is about disproving God (Darwin attributed the origin of life to God) you truly are living in a delusion.

Evolution goes against my interpretation of the Bible and therefore God.

fixed.

The Bible states ten times that life reproduces only after its own kind. As we observe the biological world all around us this fact is 100% true Dogs stay dogs, and people stay people. Yet evolution preaches that all life is a blurred continuum.

Its not "my" interpretation..its "the" interpretation.

 

[Jayls5]

The Bible states ten times that life reproduces only after its own kind. As we observe the biological world all around us this fact is 100% true Dogs stay dogs, and people stay people. Yet evolution preaches that all life is a blurred continuum.

Its not "my" interpretation..its "the" interpretation.

The bible also says that Jesus is the "bread" of life, a "true vine," and a "door."

That doesn't mean you have to take it literally in every instance. Repetition of a phrase doesn't magically mean that you must take it literally. The order of creation itself is mixed up between the first and second chapters of genesis. If you're really going to narrow down on certain things and say they are absolutes in such a metaphorical and poetic piece of literature, I might say you're missing the big picture.

You interpret the bible as literally making statements that contradict evolutionary theory. Other Christians do not.

 

[John]

LOL, he says "The Bible states ten times that life reproduces only after its own kind" Yes this must be figurative :
You can't bend the bible to fit your world view.

 

[Jayls5]

LOL, he says "The Bible states ten times that life reproduces only after its own kind" Yes this must be figurative :
You can't bend the bible to fit your world view.

sigh...

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

You sure about that?

 

[John]

Sigh...

The wages of sin is death. Jesus came to relive us of this so we no longer have to do this stuff.

 

[Jayls5]

Sigh...

The wages of sin is death. Jesus came to relive us of this so we no longer have to do this stuff.

Then I will come to your home and kick over your tables and hit you with a whip of cords, just as Jesus did.... with "love."

Or are you willing to bend that part too?

 

[John]

Are you talking about Jesus ans the temple scene?