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[_ Old Earth _] Origins - you may be a fundy atheist if...

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You may be a fundy atheist if....

1. You believe that planes, computers, calculators, compasses, etc, were "all obviously designed," yet the human body, being intricately more complex was "obviously a product of biological evolution." It seems the more complex the apparatus, the more obvious the "fact" that it was not designed.

2. You claim that evolution and the big bang are two entirely separate theories that explain different aspects of the universe, yet, in what school of learning can you find any real separation or distinction between the two?

3. As a member of the Skeptic's Society you pride yourself on being skeptical of extraordinary claims. You also pride yourself on silencing everyone who is skeptical of the extraordinary claims of evolution.

4. Isaac Newton does not count as an example of a great scientist who believed in the Bible since he died before the Origin of Species was published.

5. When you watch a punt returner run a 93 yard touchdown, you marvel at what evolution has done for the human race. But when someone gets cancer, you blame God for it.

6. When you're discussing the origin of the world, the phrase "uncaused cause(God)" is a stupid, meaningless thing to say. You will, however, settle for "uncaused effect(the world without God)".

7. You descended from apes.(Think about it.)

8. You think that humans are products of chance but when it comes to human reason we can believe in logic! (Think about it !)

9. You think you arrived at your position because you are a free-thinker who rationally weighed the evidence, and then freely chose atheism over theism. YET, you also believe that your thinking and actions are nothing more than the FIXED reactions of the atoms in your brain that are governed by the Laws of Chemistry and Physics.

10. You love to castigate Christians for being "anti-science" if they deny evolution from goo to you via the zoo, and to preach that they should adapt their thinking to the "science" of our day. But you also castigate the Church of 400 years ago for being anti-science, when it DID adapt its thinking to the science of ITS day, i.e. Ptolemaic cosmology, then joined with the Aristotelian scientists of the universities in rejecting Galileo!

11. You think that some guy named "Dr Dino" with no scientific credentials represents mainstream Evangelical thinking and scholarship about evolution and creation, and thus by spending inordinate amounts of time attacking him you are somehow dismantling the arguments of scholarly dissenters from evolution, creationists with earned Ph. D.s in science, and of advocates of intelligent design.

12. You claim poker-faced that "social Darwinism" and its spawn of eugenics have absolutely no connection to the biological theories propounded by Charles Darwin in "On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"

13. You have recently stuck a Darwin fish on your car in the hopes the people with the Jesus fish on theirs will be offended.

14. You also claim that not only is there no connection between Darwin's theories and the doctrines of social Darwinism and eugenics (despite the fact that the term eugenics was coined and advocated by Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, who acknowledged his debt to Origin), but that none of these philosophical positions have any connection to the modern fields of sociobiology and evolutionary psychology.

15. You can claim with as straight face on sites like Talk Origins that "Evolution does not have moral consequences" despite the fact that prominent evolutionary advocates like Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett vehemently assert that evolution does transcend biology in a way that has a profound effects upon ethics.

16. When the Pope says that God may have used evolution, he is an enlightened religious leader whom Christians should listen to. When the Pope preaches on the sanctity of human life from conception, and thus denounces abortion, he's just a senile religious bigot who should keep his opinions to himself.

17. Concerning the origins of life, you feel that though the chances of life forming without an intelligent creator are small it DID indeed happen that way. And yet you don't believe me when a rock, coming from my direction, hits you in the back of the head and I tell you, "I didn't throw it. There was a sudden shift in the earth's gravitational pull and the rock levitated into your head...Sure the chances are small but it DID happen that way."

18. When you're shown that your view of origins is silly, you can only respond, "Well...at least it's better than believing in some invisible SKY DADDY!"

19. When a Christian points out the impossibility of a biological system (or feature) forming by pure chance you accuse them of invoking a "God of the gaps". YET, when you are asked how a particular feature could come about solely by chance you invoke "Evolution of the gaps" (i.e., we don't know HOW but we do know that Evolution MUST have done it!)

20. You claim antibiotic-resistant bacteria is proof protozoa evolved into a person.

21. You insist that science is completely partial to all ideas, is not dogmatic and researches all possibilities -- except creationism and/or intelligent design.

22. You claim Creationists don't research on evolution websites before debating against it. Luckily you caught this useful weapon against Christians at the evolution site you learned all about creation doctrine from.

23. You think that every scientist who believes in Creationism and doesn't mindlessly accept evolution as a fact is a "kook," but you believe that Francis Crick (Nobel Prize winning co-discoverer of DNA), who reached into his nether regions and pulled out the "theory" of Directed Panspermia (which states with absolutely no support that aliens seeded the earth with life - see the movie "Mission to Mars"), is a great evolutionist scientist.

24. When a creationist points out problems with the evolutionist model you claim that the whole point of science is to answer problems like these. But if you can point out even one problem in the creationist model it should instantly be abandoned as absurd.

25. You are a person who absolutely believes that life came from nonlife, yet absolutely deny the possibility of anyone rising from the dead.

26. You won't bet $10 on the football game because a 50/50 chance isn't good enough, but you have no problem gambling with your life on the nearly impossible odds of a cell randomly generating from nothing.

27. Engaging the "slippery slope" fallacy, you think you can invalidate the whole bible by discrediting Genesis, since 'the whole bible either stands together or falls apart'. However, when a Creationist tries to invalidate the whole doctrine of naturalistic evolution by exposing the sheer improbability and lack of evidence of abiogenesis, you note this point as 'irrelevant'.

28. You think the movie "Inherit the Wind" best describes the eternal struggle of how an evolutionist is being treated by creationists in this religious society. And you can personally relate your life to the Scopes Monkey Trial.

29. You ignore "Time Magazine's" poll, which states that only 28% of Americans believe in evolution. But of course, "Time Magazine" must been run by creationists.

30. You teach a belief only held by 28% of a nation, as truth beyond any shadow of a doubt because only educated people believe in evolution. Yet of course, you ignore that fully educated scientists in most other nations have proven against Darwinian theory. Like the Chinese paleontologist who reportedly says: "In China we can criticize Darwin but not the government. In America you can criticize the government but not Darwin."

31. You think man evolved from monkeys but get mad when somebody calls you one.


http://www.tektonics.org/parody/fundyath.html

:wink: :bday: :wink:
 
You might be a 'fundy' christian if:

1. You use silly arguments like this.

2. You think what is said in this arguments is actually true.
 
Let's have a contest. See who can find the most misconceptions about evolutionary theory in that mess.

Who's first?
 
Apparently, some people do not understand humor, when it is right in front of them.
 
Darck Marck said:
Apparently, some people do not understand humor, when it is right in front of them.
Oh where Oh where is my archive of dead baby jokes when I need it.
 
SyntaxVorlon said:
Darck Marck said:
Apparently, some people do not understand humor, when it is right in front of them.
Oh where Oh where is my archive of dead baby jokes when I need it.

I know you have oft said before that someone does not understand humor. I thought it very funny that didn't understand humor this time. I think you thought your beleifs were being challenged, and thats a no-no for an atheist.
 
Asimov said:
You might be a 'fundy' christian if:
1. You use silly arguments like this.
2. You think what is said in this arguments is actually true.
Barbs said:
Let's have a contest. See who can find the most misconceptions about evolutionary theory in that mess.
Who's first?
Syntax said:

Gary: .... LOL

You may be a fundy atheist if....

(1) You have your own list of how to tell who is a Christian that itself runs on Fundy Atheist principles.

(2) You get apoplectic about being called a Fundy Atheist for believing all those self-evidently true propositions above. And you label all theists as "fundies".

(3) Last of all -- you respond to the list and try and include a rebuttal to the above listing!

:bday: :roll: :bday:

You fundy atheists are so predictable. These last 3 were on the link. But, as usual, you did not bother to even look further.... so you fell right into it!
Try again: http://www.tektonics.org/parody/fundyath.html



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First off, I'm not an atheist. But I am a Christian, and I'd rather you not confuse Christianity and atheism.

And I'm kind of disappointed that you got unhappy when other people picked up the spirit of your post and tried to have a little fun with it.

Yeah, I know, it's a stereotype that "fundys" have no sense of humor. But you're kind of reinforcing the stereotype right now.

You can do better.
 
The Barbarian said:
First off, I'm not an atheist. But I am a Christian, and I'd rather you not confuse Christianity and atheism.
quote]
From your posts You sure seem to have more in common with atheists than with Christians. That might tell us something...
 
What it tells you is that, like most Christians, I accept that evolution is consistent with God's creation.

"Fundies" and atheists generally take the opposing position.

Evolution is not the way you determine who is or is not a Christian. Do you understand what it is that distinguishes Christians from the rest of the world?

You've chosen the wrong criterion by which to discern. It might be good for you to learn about what we believe.

"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. "
St. Augustine De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim
 
SyntaxVorlon said:
Darck Marck said:
Apparently, some people do not understand humor, when it is right in front of them.
Oh where Oh where is my archive of dead baby jokes when I need it.

Hahahahaha....those are soooo wrong, but so funny.
 
Where did he get that list that makes no sense on many levels? Probably half of the people or more that post here have no clue what Inherit the Wind is about.

What's a Darwin fish? Never seen one. What are these social consequences of believing in Darwin's theory he's so concerned about?

GB take deep breath and relax. Sheesh.
 
Too absurd to be funny. Sorry Gary, but no points this time.

Humans came from monkeys.. honestly... what is it with creationists and monkeys?
 
Highlander said:
Where did he get that list that makes no sense on many levels? Probably half of the people or more that post here have no clue what Inherit the Wind is about.

What's a Darwin fish? Never seen one. What are these social consequences of believing in Darwin's theory he's so concerned about?

GB take deep breath and relax. Sheesh.

I beleive a "Darwin's Fish" is a parody or perversion of the christian fish symbol. It is a fish that has legs on it, the symbol of evolutionists, I guess.
 
Or if the fish is pointing right, instead of left. 8-)
 
Highlander said:
Where did he get that list that makes no sense on many levels? Probably half of the people or more that post here have no clue what Inherit the Wind is about.
Hey I have a clue. Do you? I'll give you a hint... Proverbs 11:29 :angel:

If I remember correctly, Darrow turned his defense from evolution to whether or not Genesis could be taken literally. I think Bryan agreed.

Heathen said:
Too absurd to be funny. Sorry Gary, but no points this time.

Humans came from monkeys.. honestly... what is it with creationists and monkeys?

Maybe they can't see the monkey has a tail. :P
 
Vic said:
Highlander said:
Where did he get that list that makes no sense on many levels? Probably half of the people or more that post here have no clue what Inherit the Wind is about.
Hey I have a clue. Do you? I'll give you a hint... Proverbs 11:29 :angel:

If I remember correctly, Darrow turned his defense from evolution to whether or not Genesis could be taken literally. I think Bryan agreed.

Heathen said:
Too absurd to be funny. Sorry Gary, but no points this time.

Humans came from monkeys.. honestly... what is it with creationists and monkeys?

Maybe they can't see the monkey has a tail. :P





Oh please, of course I know. I'm referring to the younger generation who have no doubt, never even seen the movie. Quick, ask 5 people under the age of 50 and see if they know Inherit the Wind. Bet all five don't.
 
7. You descended from apes.(Thi"nk about it.) "

well, if you read anythign about science, or have ever read a book about it, you would know that HUMANS DID NOT COME FROM MONKEYS, APES, GORILLAS, or any other of that species that is alive today.

Both monkeys and humans shared a common ancestor. Put it in a familly tree.


long a go, there was a monkey like thing ( i dont rememebr the name) and it evolved and split into an upside down Y one half became monkeys, the others became humans..



If u dont believe in evolution, why do snakes haev hip bones? whales have finger bones? humans have an apendix, tailbone? Did god create humans like this intentionally so that we could get apendicitus and die? or we have an extra boen to break that you cant put a cast on???
 
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