[__ Science __ ] Our Nation Is a Mess—What Does the Bible Say?

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America is in a mess spiritually, morally, and politically. How should we understand what is happening? Should our emphasis be one of trying to save America?

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[Quantrill]

There is no saving of America. It has destroyed itself.

The time now is to align with the people you identify with and prepare for the worst.

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[daninthelionsden]

I think it is time now more than ever to move past worldly pillars many cling to in order to facilitate fitting in/identifying with the world around them. For instance, I was a gun carrying, Republican, life time NRA member, right wing conservative, Dallas Cowboy loving, Texan, patriotic, corporate robot.
Now, I no longer subscribe to much of any of that and am ready to even leave the US and renounce my citizenship at a moments notice if so led by my Lord to do so.
It is imperative that we grow past the worldly and into the spiritually so we and jump when and if the Lord says "Jump! Jump now!" We can do so without worldly intanglements holding us down.

 

[Serving Zion]

There is no saving of America. It has destroyed itself.

It is an incomplete trajectory toward evil and some serious reflection is owed by every decision maker who has allowed this election to go the way it has gone. From every media reporter to every judge and politician. The one principle is this:

If a ruler hearkens to lies, all of his servants will be wicked. (Proverbs 29:12)

It is by no means a new thing, but on the scale we have seen, proves that those ones have no love of the truth and are willing to yield their power to deceit for personal reasons. Those personal reasons are specific weaknesses that evil has managed to find in them, that is sufficient to control them and to cause them to become deaf and blind to facts.

The basis of this finding is upon my having witnessed

• repeated statements of politicians who say "there is no evidence of widespread election fraud"; while
• I have witnessed the Supreme Court say "we do not appreciate being called upon to adjudicate political matters - and those who think it is our duty to rule on any matter of grievance they have are wrong to do so"; and
• alongside a state's decision to conceal the official voting documents and to prevent access by those who seek to verify that the state has been honest in its handling of them - and furthermore in light of:
• video footage of hidden documents being scanned after the officially appointed voting staff have been dismissed and have gone home for the night; along with
• legally sworn affidavits by witnesses who testify that they have seen fraudulent handling of voting documents and repetitive counting of a portion of the voting documents.
• There is also published analysis of real time votes that show the tallies having been shifted from one candidate to another after those tallies had already been counted and published toward the former candidate.

Therefore any person before whom these matters are spoken, and who does not immediately retort "that's outrageous! .. how true are these allegations?" demonstrates that they do not have any respect for the truth but instead are intellectually biased toward the outcome in order to depart from the truth and pledge themselves the enemy of the truth.

That means to say that every politician and judge in the USA who has refused to exercise their powers toward the proper investigation of these allegations is guilty of choosing lies in place of the truth.

Further to the concerns therein, is the particular reason that each has chosen to do so.

I think there is probably only these specific reasons why a person might choose to oppose the truth in that way:

Bribe: Perhaps they perceive some sort of reward if Biden takes office instead of Trump.
Blackmail: have they been approached with coercion? - I have seen President Trump repeatedly say that the decision makers in Congress would need "courage" - why?
Personal preference: if for whatever reason they prefer Biden or they hate Trump, that feeling is sufficient for them to use their powers in opposition to their rightful duty.

I really don't think there is any reason that doesn't fit in those categories, so I will explain why each of those is a cause to worry about the direction that the nation has gone into:

It is by righteousness (ie: observance and support of the truth and the behaviours that are morally justified by the truth) - that is how a nation is made firm, but the receiving of a bribe brings the nation to ruin. Why? Only because the nation's power is placed into the hands of someone who is willing to sell the nation's best interests. That's the destructive force of a bribe. If the reason is blackmail, then they already are a slave to the evil one. Why else would they not report the threats to the authorities? The third is just like the first and the second combined, only the incentive is from a cosmic agent rather than a real entity. If a person has allowed themselves to be corrupted for their own personal lusts, it is just bribery or blackmail in the form of a promise of gratification or an escape of a misery that one perceives according to their own imagined outcome.

So to understand why the nation is heading for destruction if it does not turn around, we must understand the principles of justice and God's law: Romans 1:28–32 as the OP has quoted:

Since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Romans 1:28–32

"Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

The most dangerous part of that is how deeply deceived they have become in order to not see that is what they have become. Perhaps if they can see this explanation and hear the reasons then they will understand, but there also comes a temptation of the same magnitude as before because I am less than their own citizens in their eyes.

The time now is to align with the people you identify with and prepare for the worst.

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I wouldn't say that it is necessary to expect the worst, but certainly I would advise caution in this time where authorities have been allowed to exercise their duties with no accountability to the truth. What is going to stop them from advancing in that spirit if not their own willingness to do good?

 

[Quantrill]

I think it is time now more than ever to move past worldly pillars many cling to in order to facilitate fitting in/identifying with the world around them. For instance, I was a gun carrying, Republican, life time NRA member, right wing conservative, Dallas Cowboy loving, Texan, patriotic, corporate robot.
Now, I no longer subscribe to much of any of that and am ready to even leave the US and renounce my citizenship at a moments notice if so led by my Lord to do so.
It is imperative that we grow past the worldly and into the spiritually so we and jump when and if the Lord says "Jump! Jump now!" We can do so without worldly intanglements holding us down.

There is no other place to go. The U.S. was that place to go. It was a Christian nation of refuge, for hope of a better life and protection under God and Constitutional law. That which God used to make it such, has been steadily eroded by satan to the point that it no longer reflects what God intended.

Though the enemy has taken over, Christ is still on the Throne. But though Christ is still on the throne, that doesn't mean I don't recognize my enemy.

Pray that Governors, Senators, and Representatives of individual states will stand up to the Federal government when laws start to come down which are an enemy of the once American people. Pray that these states that stand up, will unite together in their efforts.

One may say, 'but that will destroy America'. Please, America is gone. Separation, secession, is the only hope for a Christian American people. And the beast that America now is, will go to war over that. (I.E. 1861)

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[Quantrill]

I wouldn't say that it is necessary to expect the worst, but certainly I would advise caution in this time where authorities have been allowed to exercise their duties with no accountability to the truth. What is going to stop them from advancing in that spirit if not their own willingness to do good?

They have no willingness to do good. They have a willingness to do evil. Oh it will be labeled as good and right and all for the glory of unity. But it is evil.

They will have a religious flavor also. Just not Christianity. It will be the people's religion. The whore who sits on the beast. They will let you be a Christian, as long as your Christianity observes them also as godly. But when you say Christ is the 'only' way. They will say no way.

We have a government whose core is now from Ham and not Japheth. Not from Japheth, who is blessed with Shem. But now we have a government who descends from Nimrod, and Cush. No blessings, and a curse. But don't complain. Because that makes you a racist and full of hate.

The antichristian core always twists words to mean just the opposite. Calling good evil and evil good. And by 'peace will destroy many'. (Dan. 8:25) And when you protest, you are an enemy of the state. And the multitudes will applaud as government imprisons you.

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[daninthelionsden]

There are 5 other nations where English is the primary language and several others where it is widely spoken. It just might become beneficial, if not necessary to travel/live in one or more of these places as time draws near. At a minimum, I would advise Christians to acquire passports, unload debt and get in the best health you can.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

There are 5 other nations where English is the primary language and several others where it is widely spoken. It just might become beneficial, if not necessary to travel/live in one or more of these places as time draws near. At a minimum, I would advise Christians to acquire passports, unload debt and get in the best health you can.

I don't believe we can run away from this.
The time is coming soon where the world will be one, and those who oppose the ruling authority will be done away
with.
It happens so quick.
There's no going back.
Draw yourself close to God.
There's no other way.

 

[daninthelionsden]

I don't believe we can run away from this.
The time is coming soon where the world will be one, and those who oppose the ruling authority will be done away
with.
It happens so quick.
There's no going back.
Draw yourself close to God.
There's no other way.

I will do my best to remove my wife and son from harm's way wherever/whenever possible. It is my duty as a husband/father. A battle I can fight may not be one either of them can. I believe America is preparing for war with China. The nations in the Pacific are heavily investing in amphibious warfare capabilities. I don't want my son drafted to fight a war I believe is a greed driven mistake by greed driven politicians.
I had to get my son out of Houston. I may very well have to go back and take on our oppressors there, but I did my best to protect him, at least for a season. I am willing to travel the globe to keep them from harm's way.

 

[jasonc]

There are 5 other nations where English is the primary language and several others where it is widely spoken. It just might become beneficial, if not necessary to travel/live in one or more of these places as time draws near. At a minimum, I would advise Christians to acquire passports, unload debt and get in the best health you can.

in Australia as it was posted during the pandemic ,going outs use was really restricted ,new Zealand also did that and also the u.k. has lock downs like that ,scratch three,south Africa is not exactly safe either ,periodic unrest .

the idea of a safe violent free america has never existed .

black wall street ,blacks created money and business and traded sticks nation,wide and were murdered ,business burned and it was covered up ,it happened in Tampa ,and elsewhere and it happened also the graves of blacks were laid and built over ,I'm hardly a blm type ,that group in general want a racism ,but I do study history and this is not the only time ,just a severe case .

2011 the democrats stormed into a state house and occupied it until walker was removed.

Chas,and chop,where if you you were white you paid tolls,also anarchy and simply overlooked .
I can go back further into the Indian removal and how scared my county in the former county if Brevard or st.Lucie of the Seminoles for they would avenge a murder of their own . there's also the violence with the rum running and so Capone who did visit a house I photographed and I do know of old speak easies here ,

ashley gang and ma Parker are local events .out law florida ,as bad as the west ,if not even more

 

[daninthelionsden]

in Australia as it was posted during the pandemic ,going outs use was really restricted ,new Zealand also did that and also the u.k. has lock downs like that ,scratch three,south Africa is not exactly safe either ,periodic unrest .

the idea of a safe violent free america has never existed .

black wall street ,blacks created money and business and traded sticks nation,wide and were murdered ,business burned and it was covered up ,it happened in Tampa ,and elsewhere and it happened also the graves of blacks were laid and built over ,I'm hardly a blm type ,that group in general want a racism ,but I do study history and this is not the only time ,just a severe case .

2011 the democrats stormed into a state house and occupied it until walker was removed.

Chas,and chop,where if you you were white you paid tolls,also anarchy and simply overlooked .
I can go back further into the Indian removal and how scared my county in the former county if Brevard or st.Lucie of the Seminoles for they would avenge a murder of their own . there's also the violence with the rum running and so Capone who did visit a house I photographed and I do know of old speak easies here ,

ashley gang and ma Parker are local events .out law florida ,as bad as the west ,if not even more

I am wary of the advice of those who say any variation of the phrase "it's the same everywhere". This has never been true even in as small a move as picking another table in a restaurant, another job in a different city, a different home even in the same neighborhood. Hawai'i is indeed different than Texas. Even if Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK or even Belize are all headed toward totalitarianism, they will not all achieve this at the same time nor in the same way nor even to the same degree. Refugees have existed throughout history.
We were forced to evacuate our home in Houston and left 2/3 of our belongings behind. We are contemplating returning as the oppressors are using property tax status revocation as a means of making us be financially unable to both pay those taxes and stay here at the same time. The state is very upset with me for stopping its hypocritical indictment of Netflix (notice how that indictment made national news then quickly and abruptly disappeared?)
The point is that moving has worked for me even if temporary. Without a move to Hawai'i, I most likely would've never been able to finish my book. Moving works. Whether it's on a large scale or a small one. It's looking more and more like we will be returning to Texas as this financial situation is becoming unsustainable. If that happens you may very well be seeing me on the national news.

 

[jasonc]

I am wary of the advice of those who say any variation of the phrase "it's the same everywhere". This has never been true even in as small a move as picking another table in a restaurant, another job in a different city, a different home even in the same neighborhood. Hawai'i is indeed different than Texas. Even if Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK or even Belize are all headed toward totalitarianism, they will not all achieve this at the same time nor in the same way nor even to the same degree. Refugees have existed throughout history.
We were forced to evacuate our home in Houston and left 2/3 of our belongings behind. We are contemplating returning as the oppressors are using property tax status revocation as a means of making us be financially unable to both pay those taxes and stay here at the same time. The state is very upset with me for stopping its hypocritical indictment of Netflix (notice how that indictment made national news then quickly and abruptly disappeared?)
The point is that moving has worked for me even if temporary. Without a move to Hawai'i, I most likely would've never been able to finish my book. Moving works. Whether it's on a large scale or a small one. It's looking more and more like we will be returning to Texas as this financial situation is becoming unsustainable. If that happens you may very well be seeing me on the national news.

you assume that those countries dollars based on a war with China will,actually be worth anything.

that under bankruptcy laws chrustian owned business won't be paid at all or at near zero.

I won't be paying at all any credit card under chapter 13 ,only the house actual collorateral claimed.

the world is based on our dollar a defailt on that level will hit all.

as it did with the depression in the 30s. the stock market crash in the u.s. hit Europa top and asia

 

[daninthelionsden]

you assume that those countries dollars based on a war with China will,actually be worth anything.

that under bankruptcy laws chrustian owned business won't be paid at all or at near zero.

I won't be paying at all any credit card under chapter 13 ,only the house actual collorateral claimed.

the world is based on our dollar a defailt on that level will hit all.

as it did with the depression in the 30s. the stock market crash in the u.s. hit Europa top and asia

I never said any move or life in another country will be easy, yet it may be necessary. I say, at least be able to move if needed or instructed by the Lord to do so.