[_ Old Earth _] Our Taxes Dollars at Waste. (Once Again)

[John]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ccess.html

What a waste of time.

The world's largest atom smasher's first experiment went off today without a hitch, paving the way toward the recreation of post-big bang conditions

Well we all need a laugh but did they really need to spend 10 Billion to to it?

 

[lordkalvan]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080910-collider-success.html

What a waste of time.

The world's largest atom smasher's first experiment went off today without a hitch, paving the way toward the recreation of post-big bang conditions

Well we all need a laugh but did they really need to spend 10 Billion to to it?

It's okay, the LHC is a CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research (Organisation Européenne pour la Recherche Nucléaire) project, and funded mostly by the twenty European member states (plus contributions from six observer states). I'm not sure that judging the pursuit of knowledge as 'a waste of time' is altogether fair, although: Stephen Hawking, for example, believes it to be vital in the search for an understanding of the origins of the Universe. Still, it does seem like an awful lot of moolah!

 

[VaultZero4Me]

It's okay, the LHC is a CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research (Organisation Européenne pour la Recherche Nucléaire) project, and funded mostly by the twenty European member states (plus contributions from six observer states). I'm not sure that judging the pursuit of knowledge as 'a waste of time' is altogether fair, although: Stephen Hawking, for example, believes it to be vital in the search for an understanding of the origins of the Universe. Still, it does seem like an awful lot of moolah!

I think the US has funded approx. 36 million for the project thus far.


0.36% of $10billion.

It will be exciting to see what new knowledge can be uncovered by the LHC.

 

[John]

I laugh at those people who think it will end the world.


The knowledge maybe useful depending on how its applied, for example spending all the money just to try to salvage the BBT would be the biggest waste i can think of besides all the trees used to print evolution books.

Did they do the test today yet?

 

[lordkalvan]

I laugh at those people who think it will end the world.


The knowledge maybe useful depending on how its applied, for example spending all the money just to try to salvage the BBT would be the biggest waste i can think of besides all the trees used to print evolution books.

Did they do the test today yet?

Well, they've fired the thing up, but they're pretty much still at the stage where they're testing the kit out. Serious work isn't scheduled to start for several weeks. Check out this site:

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/first-beam-circ.html

ETA: You may also be interested in the CERN public info site at:

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/

 

[John]

^

Thanks, I'll read up.

 

[BobRyan]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080910-collider-success.html

What a waste of time.

The world's largest atom smasher's first experiment went off today without a hitch, paving the way toward the recreation of post-big bang conditions

Well we all need a laugh but did they really need to spend 10 Billion to to it?

Don't be fooled by all the BB-gun hype. There is a lot of actual science that they can do with that new tool in search of more subatomic particle physics data -- who knows maybe they will find a way to experimentally validate string theory.

Bob

 

[John]

^ O sure i know they can use it for other things, but it drives me nuts when the first thing they want to do with this tool is see what happened post BB. Or BD (Big Dud) because it never happened, lol

 

[Gabe]

I don't know much about it but isn't the Big bang theory compatible with Genesis?

 

[John]

i dont know much about it but isnt the Big bang theory compatable with Genesis?

Nope, the BB would have taken place 15-20 BYA and on one day, While the creation account claims to have taken 6 days about 6000 years ago.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

i dont know much about it but isnt the Big bang theory compatable with Genesis?

The Catholic church was a big proponet of the big bang model early on.

 

[platos_cave]

^ O sure i know they can use it for other things, but it drives me nuts when the first thing they want to do with this tool is see what happened post BB. Or BD (Big Dud) because it never happened, lol

You must be the new famous physicist who disproved the BB...oh wait, that never happened and you're not.

I'm curious as to how you can conclusively claim that the Big Bang never happened?

 

[John]

^ O sure i know they can use it for other things, but it drives me nuts when the first thing they want to do with this tool is see what happened post BB. Or BD (Big Dud) because it never happened, lol

You must be the new famous physicist who disproved the BB...oh wait, that never happened and you're not.

I'm curious as to how you can conclusively claim that the Big Bang never happened?

Its the most ridiculous excuse of a theory in the world. Just a poor attempt to explain a universe that came about without God.

"In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded." LMBO :

Who ever made up the BBt was high and a retard to say the least.

 

[platos_cave]

Its the most ridiculous excuse of a theory in the world. Just a poor attempt to explain a universe that came about without God.

"In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded." LMBO :

Who ever made up the BBt was high and a retard to say the least.

If valid rebuttals consisted of arguments from incredulity, red herrings and argumentum ad hominems, you'd have a point.

Unfortunately, it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Barbarian]

Nope, the BB would have taken place 15-20 BYA and on one day, While the creation account claims to have taken 6 days about 6000 years ago.

The one in the Christian Bible doesn't specify how long ago it happened. And because a literalist reading of Genesis leads to various logical inconsistencies, Christians have for the most part always seen it as an allegory of Creation.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

^ O sure i know they can use it for other things, but it drives me nuts when the first thing they want to do with this tool is see what happened post BB. Or BD (Big Dud) because it never happened, lol

You must be the new famous physicist who disproved the BB...oh wait, that never happened and you're not.

I'm curious as to how you can conclusively claim that the Big Bang never happened?

Its the most ridiculous excuse of a theory in the world. Just a poor attempt to explain a universe that came about without God.

"In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded." LMBO :

Who ever made up the BBt was high and a retard to say the least.

At what point were you taught that using the word "retard" in a derogatory manner was acceptable?

I think that is a terrible way to talk.

 

[Gabe]

Does anyone know where they are at the moment? Have they found out anything interesting yet or is it too early?

PS- Even the youngest and most immature of children realise that the use of the word 'retard' is unacceptable in today's society and rightly so.

 

[Rick W]

We've seen the experiment where "life" was created in the lab. Just because we can do this in the lab does not automatically mean it happened in nature. Same thing with this multibillion dollar apparatus.
We don't know anything about creation. We have no theories, no laws or even a concept of it's mechanics. Therefore it must have been by some other way/method. In short we drastically diminish the power of God to bring understanding to our level and pursue our so-called wisdom at all costs... even to the tune of 10 billion dollars.

 

[lordkalvan]

Does anyone know where they are at the moment? Have they found out anything interesting yet or is it too early?

PS- Even the youngest and most immature of children realise that the use of the word 'retard' is unacceptable in todays society and rightly so.

Testing was still the name of the game, but an electrical fault coupled with scheduled winter maintenance once the fault has been dealt with (weeks to bring the kit up to a temperature where the fault can be analysed and repaired) mean the LHC will be off-line until 2009. Check out this article:

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/large-hadron--1.html

 

[lordkalvan]

We've seen the experiment where "life" was created in the lab. Just because we can do this in the lab does not automatically mean it happened in nature. Same thing with this multibillion dollar apparatus.
We don't know anything about creation. We have no theories, no laws or even a concept of it's mechanics. Therefore it must have been by some other way/method. In short we drastically diminish the power of God to bring understanding to our level and pursue our so-called wisdom at all costs... even to the tune of 10 billion dollars.

I think it fairer to say that, while there actually are naturalistic theories and concepts about the creation of the universe around - which are mostly discussed and analysed mathematically at a level way beyond my ability to follow and discuss sensibly - the available evidence is susceptible of a number of interpretations and some of those interpretations are by Christians who comfortably reconcile their beliefs with naturalistic explanations for the evolution of the Universe following the initial act of creation, such as Howard J. Van Till, Professor Emeritus of Physics and Astronomy at Calvin College, Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA, and the Rev. Dr John Polkinghorne KBE FRS, Cambridge University, UK, Fellow of the Royal Society, Fellow (and former President) of Queens' College,Cambridge.

Some sites that address naturalistic creation theories are listed below; there are many more.:

http://web.uvic.ca/~jtwong/newtheories.htm
http://www.newsdial.com/outerspace/universe-creation/universe-creation.html
http://www.einstein-online.info/en/spotlights/quantum_cosmo_path_integrals/
http://www.nsf.gov/about/history/nsf0050/astronomy/origins.htm
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2007/03/16_hawking_text.shtml