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[_ Old Earth _] Our Taxes Dollars at Waste. (Once Again)

Potluck said:
We've seen the experiment where "life" was created in the lab. Just because we can do this in the lab does not automatically mean it happened in nature. Same thing with this multibillion dollar apparatus.
We don't know anything about creation. We have no theories, no laws or even a concept of it's mechanics. Therefore it must have been by some other way/method. In short we drastically diminish the power of God to bring understanding to our level and pursue our so-called wisdom at all costs... even to the tune of 10 billion dollars.

No they never made life at all.

A classic experiment used to support the belief that life “built itself†was first proposed in 1953 by Stanley Miller. In this experiment, sparks were discharged into an apparatus through which common gases were circulated. These gases reacted to form various organic products which were then collected and analyzed. The experiment succeeded in producing a few of the 20 amino acids required by living cells. These results have been heralded as proof that life could have arisen by itself. However, dozens of major problems with this experiment, (clearly understood for more than 30 years), still go unanswered and are not even mentioned to students.1
For instance, our early atmosphere is assumed to have had no oxygen because this would stop amino acid formation. However, with no oxygen, there would be no ozone shield. With no ozone shield, life would be impossible. The fact that oxidized rocks throughout the geological record indicate that oxygen has always been present is ignored.
In addition, the same gases which can react to form amino acids in the presence of sunlight undergo known reactions which remove them from the atmosphere. The required gases simply could not have been around long enough for life to have developed. Further-more, a cold trap was used to keep the reaction products from being destroyed as fast as they formed. Where is this “cold trap†in nature?
The biggest problem is that the amino acids formed in this experiment are always a 50/50 mixture of stereotypes (L and D forms). Stereotypes are like a drawer full of right-hand and left-hand gloves, identical in every way except a mirror image of each other. Life uses only L stereotypes of these random amino acids. Yet, equal proportions of both types are always produced. How could the first cell have selected only L stereotypes from the random, equally reactive mixture produced in this experiment? And what about the other required types of amino acids which have never been formed in this experiment?
These are just some of the myriad problems regarding the fanciful idea that life generated itself. What this experiment really proves is that life could not possibly have developed in this manner. Yet, students are told just the opposite.
No experiment has ever shown that matter has the ability to come alive. The best explanation for life is still that life only comes from pre-existing life. As you search for the truth, perhaps you should consider the possibility that the source of all life... is God.

Source: Search for the Truth by Bruce Malone.
 
johnmuise said:
Potluck said:
We've seen the experiment where "life" was created in the lab. Just because we can do this in the lab does not automatically mean it happened in nature......

No they never made life at all.

A classic experiment used to support the belief that life “built itself†was first proposed in 1953 by Stanley Miller......
Research on the creation of life in the laboratory has moved on since 1953, as have origins' theories generally. This article has some interesting insights into current work:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7041353.stm

There is more information on the Venter team's work here;

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/01/25/2146497.htm

This article discusses the possible extraterrestrial origins of the ingredients for life and an experiment supporting this hypothesis:

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/space_cells_010129-1.html

All of these articles are very much popular science ones and no substitute for peer-reviewed papers on the experiments and research discussed.
 
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