Partial/Historical Preterist

[JM]

A.D.70

A coming (parousia) of Christ
A day of the Lord
A judgment
The end of the Jewish Age

Future

The Coming (parousia) of Christ
The Day of the Lord
The Resurrection of the dead
The Rapture of the living
The (final) Judgment
The end of history

R.C. Sproul, Last Days

 

[Vic C.]

I guess you could say He came in 70 AD if you believe it was in a spiritual sense.

I like the way you (he) used A coming, A day, etc. and then The Coming, The Day, etc. Nice emphesis.

 

[JM]

Vic, do you see a parallel with Joel 2:1-32 and Acts 2:1-47 ? Joel 2 is an end time passage, if I'm not mistaken, and Peter quotes it in Acts 2¦ this came to mind while reading your response.

 

[preterist]

My problem with the partial preterist view is I find no teaching in the NT of two "comings" or two "day of the Lords" etc..... I believe Jesus and the NT writers only taught one.


Mal 4:5 Behold, I am sending you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Jehovah.

Was this to be fulfilled twice? It was fulfilled in John the Baptsist, is it to be fulfilled again?[

 

[Vic C.]

Vic, do you see a parallel with Joel 2:1-32 and Acts 2:1-47 ? Joel 2 is an end time passage, if I’m not mistaken, and Peter quotes it in Acts 2…this came to mind while reading your response.

Yes, if it says, "for the day of the LORD cometh,..." it is about God's Wrath. Joel goes on to describes the events of the time and it ain't pretty. 8-) I quoted Joel 2:1-2 in another thread as pertaining to the the timing of God's Wrath. Anyways...

To answer your question the best I can right now, yes, I do see some parallels in that passage. Peter is quoting:

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
Joel 2:30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

What I read here is Joel prophesizing the outpouring of the Spirit as we see in the beginning of Acts 2. I then see Joel jumping ahead to some time in the future as he describes the events kicking off the Day of the Lord.

The beginning of Acts 2 is where we see the beginning of the "church'. (ekklesia) The Day of the Lord part of the prophecy is where I see the end of the "church" age. Now I need to understand why Peter also quoted the Day of the Lord portion of Joel.

I found this:

But perhaps one may say, I don't think that applies to us. So we must look briefly at Acts 2 and Peter's understanding of Pentecost. We learn at least three new things about Joel's prophecy from our present New Testament perspective. First, we learn that it at least began to be fulfilled at Pentecost with the pouring out of the Spirit on the 120 and with their prophetic declarations of god's greatness. In verse 17 Peter says that this prophesy refers to the last days and so he also gives us to understand that the era of fulfillment in which we live is a mercifully extended end time period (cf. 1 Peter 1:20; Hebrews 1:2). Thus we may expect any of the things predicted for the end to appear in our own day.

Second, we learn that the great and terrible "day of the Lord" with its cosmic portents described in Joel 2 is separated in time from the preceding outpouring of God's Spirit. This was not clear in the Old Testament prophecy but is evident from our perspective. The day of judgment for all the nations is surely coming (Acts 10:42; 17:31) but until then we live in what might be called a Pentecostal era--an age in which the exalted Christ is pouring his Spirit onto all flesh.

www.soundofgrace.com/piper81/060781m.htm+acts+2+and+joel+2&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7]THIS IS WHAT WAS SPOKEN BY THE PROPHET JOEL[/url]

Now I understand. Interesting. 8-)

Did I even come close to the point you were making?