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Paul's Thorn explained for the umpteenth time.

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Brother Mike - Num 33:55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.

Eugene –
I do see your thinking here, but this scripture describes the thorn as something bad, and Paul’s thorn was good for him.
2 Cor 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Do you think Israel rejoiced over the inhabitants against them in the land?
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

2Ti 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

Somehow I get the idea that a Christian living in victory would never die such as Paul did.
2Ti 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
:shrug
 
Brother Mike - Num 33:55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.

Eugene –
I do see your thinking here, but this scripture describes the thorn as something bad, and Paul’s thorn was good for him.
2 Cor 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Do you think Israel rejoiced over the inhabitants against them in the land?
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

2Ti 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

Somehow I get the idea that a Christian living in victory would never die such as Paul did.
2Ti 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
:shrug

Well, there is no way the Messenger of Satan is going to cause issues without using people to slow down and hinder Paul. Just what thorns do.

It would be like Paul to quote the OT.

If you notice, Paul is asking Jesus to take the messenger away, that it depart from him.
Then after Jesus says, My grace is sufficient, Paul changes his tune, saying I would rather be weak and have the power of Christ (Anointing on me) Jesus is right, trust in His ability, not my own abundance of revelation which I did glory.

Another thing, those folks in Israel where not spiritual like Paul. If they did not remove the thorns, they would stumble.

David's Lion and bear fight must have been something, but despite having to go through that, He certainly was ready for Goliath.

Paul did strive for the power of Christ, the anointing, doing all things through Christ that gave him strength. He sought that more than anything.

As for living forever? The whole message is to live in the promises of God, have victory over all things so that we can run our race, complete it, and get the heck out of here. What did Paul say.... I am ready, when Paul decides to go.

There are no reasons to build doctrines of God does not want us healed, or sometimes you just never know. The scripture does not support it, the scripture gives us what tribulation is, what it produces, who to trust in.

Now I have listed some things I have experienced, but I have learned not to fear. Fear cost Peter his first miracle walking on the water. If God at any time failed me, or refused to correct my thinking on faith so that I could get victory over something, then I would agree with the rest. Sometimes, you just never know, God is mysterious.

That's never happened, not one time. It won't happen either, God is faithful, and good.

Blessings.
 
Hold the phone. What caused you to change your mind on this in the last two years?

Must have been the coffee. Drink way to much coffee. If you look at it though, just saying God is mysterious, saves a whole lot of time having to examine scripture, and look that up, and spending weeks seeking God for answers to this or that. Saves tons of time.

Then all the sick people. Before you would have to hear the Holy Spirit, then you would have to be in faith, and wouldn't you know? You forgot the oil that day and have to run to the house next door and borrow the vegetable oil.

I found out, you can just pray, Lord, if it be your will, Please Heal them. Say a few other things that sound Holy, and be done.
The path of least resistance brother.

And the coffee.

Blessings to you.

Mike.
 
When we get revelations we begin to get the big head. Thinking we are something we head for the largest chandillers we can find and swing and holler in celebration. Or, maybe we run the pew backs to celebrate.

The problem is it is not about the demons being subject to us, but (is your name written in the lambs book of life). At least that is what Jesus said.

To take the edge off our celebration (if we are a celebrating type of person) a little stubbed toe might sober us up. Satan thinks it will destroy us, but in the long run it actually keeps us on target.

Job's job was to help his friends with their wrong theology. No distracting celebration for Job. On task serious work at hand. But Job deserved a Mercedes. Well stored in heaven there are rewards for Job. His first ten children will be spiritual children he meets. His friends will discuss truth for eternity. Worship and praise will be abundant.

I know some will not like this. Oh well. Godly sorrow is better than human elation. The person with the demon wants a sober vigilant knowledgable person deciding the time and place of deliverance. They sure do not want a demon returning with friends in six months.

Can you tell I like to run pew backs by nature? Can you tell I have been helped to be more serious.

eddif
 
What does this mean?
Get so excited in a church service that in fleshly zeal you try to walk on the upright portion of the seating in the sanctuary. If the seats are not bolted down it can end badly.


In my case this is a joke, but behavior beyond the accepted norm for a particular church has now become pew walking in my conversation.


I have been known to dance ( big no in some places). Play a church tambourine ( I did not know it was just to be bumped reverently ( I got after it, and shortly afterward it disappeared).

Holy Spirit can encourage dancing, but you might ought to do it privately (do not offend) aka decently and in order.


eddif
 
What does this mean?
This video doesn't have an actual pew jumper in it but the singer makes reference to one at :44.
You'll see a couple of aisle runners go whizzing past though.
Can somebody get so full of the joy of the Lord that they act like this. Oh, yes.
Do they feel foolish after they return from heavenly places? No. They'll do it again next Sunday. Praise the Lord!
 
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When we get revelations we begin to get the big head. Thinking we are something we head for the largest chandillers we can find and swing and holler in celebration. Or, maybe we run the pew backs to celebrate.

The problem is it is not about the demons being subject to us, but (is your name written in the lambs book of life). At least that is what Jesus said.

To take the edge off our celebration (if we are a celebrating type of person) a little stubbed toe might sober us up. Satan thinks it will destroy us, but in the long run it actually keeps us on target.

Job's job was to help his friends with their wrong theology. No distracting celebration for Job. On task serious work at hand. But Job deserved a Mercedes. Well stored in heaven there are rewards for Job. His first ten children will be spiritual children he meets. His friends will discuss truth for eternity. Worship and praise will be abundant.

I know some will not like this. Oh well. Godly sorrow is better than human elation. The person with the demon wants a sober vigilant knowledgable person deciding the time and place of deliverance. They sure do not want a demon returning with friends in six months.

Can you tell I like to run pew backs by nature? Can you tell I have been helped to be more serious.

eddif

Godly sorrow is best to be avoided though. When we do mess up, then God don't need Satan to knock us in the head first, we best see it and get right with God when He deals with us on it. Ignoring God, gives place to the devil.

Php_3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Was Paul puffed up with all the revelation Knowledge, personal visits from Jesus explaining wonderful things?
Paul said I would Glory, but it would be foolish to do so.

I am not sure I am buying into Paul being puffed up with pride.

What I do see is a man full of revelation of the Word of God, and Satan needing to stop Paul to keep that revelation being exalted out of measure to the people.

Jesus said we are persecuted for the Worlds sake. (Mark) There had to be persecution in an attempt to stop and steal the Word.

As for Job?
Job got far more than Job deserved. God was extremely merciful toward Job. When things go wrong, it's not time to rebel against God, it's time to seek help. It's not time to ask why, it's time to ask for mercy.
Job Got exactly what he believed, and said, Just like Israel in Numbers 14. Satan came to get the place Job handed to him out of ignorance.

Blessings.
Mike.
 
II Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Paul's mind was the mind of Christ (good to go). It was Paul's flesh that awaited the last trump to be fully changed .


Mark 4:17
And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

Word or world? Tradition or bible? Is Romans 7:25 ok to use?
Job 1:8
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job 42:7
And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

Job grew from the experience. Jobs friends declared Job self-righteous when God declared him righteous. I will believe the one God chose to pray for the friends.

No battle. Bible study wow. This is where I find my error. My bad this is the lounge. What does that mean? LOL

eddif
 
I am not sure what Job has to do with a messenger of Satan sent by Satan to stop Paul. People do have more faith in Paul's thorn and Job's boils over Jesus who went about healing all that were sick and oppressed of the devil. Might as well talk about Jacob's Hip, Jesus only healed one at the Well, Paul left Trophy sick and God killed David's baby with sickness. Same old nonsense I have to hear for these last 17 years, and I am trying to get people to see that it's not over, there is hope.

Let's get something straight though.
Job did not learn a blessed thing, God showed up and asked Job who is this that darkens my counsel with words of no wisdom, Stand up and be a man.

Elihu said, the only one that spoke on God's behalf.
What man is like Job, who drinketh up scorning like water? Which goeth in company with the workers of iniquity, and walketh with wicked men. For he hath said, It profiteth a man nothing that he should delight himself with God.
(Job 34:7-9)

Job is still crying like a school Girl. It profiteth nothing that a man should delight himself in God...............boo hoo.

Psa_37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

Do I need to point out all the places Job was ignorant against the Word?

Job is a lesson about not doing what Job did to give the devil a place. It's about being ignorant and when things go bad, you don't cry like a baby and blame God. You go ask for help, something Job never did.

We can't follow the devil, act on his impulses through fear and expect everything to be OK. Let me tell you, God is not going to violate his own Word to stop the devil for us either.

Elihu:
Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity. For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways.
(Job 34:10-11)

Is giving permission to a murderer to murder someone's children wicked? It is in the USA, and our laws are pretty messed up. The Law is not confused though on what wicked is concerning murder.

God had nothing to do with Satan Getting Job, Job's fault through ignorance. Job even tells us what he did, it's really clear.

As Elihu said, Job was rendered according to his ways.

anyway.
 
Brother Mike

Let me just do Job right now. Satan used the serpent to question God's word and tempt Eve. Satan used Job's friends to question God 's positive declaration about Job, and suggest things that were wrong with Job. Satan used people to try and stop Paul from going to Jerusalem. There are thorns, physical thorn type things, and people acting like thorns.

Job 42:5
I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Sounds like job repented and moved up to vision that uses 4(?) cranial nerves (instead of hearing that uses one cranial nerve).

Elihu criticized Job too. God does not acknowledge Elihu as truth, but recognizes Job as a person to pray for his mistaken friends. Notice the wrath of Elihu. (Chapter 32)
James 1:20
For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Job depended on God for his Righteousness.
Job 9:15
Though I were innocent, I could not answer him; I could only plead with my Judge for mercy.

All the friends condem Job, but Job trusts God.

Jesus did not receive according to his ways. Job did not receive according to his ways (declared righteous by God). The accuser of the brothern was hard at work.


eddif
 
Brother Mike

Let me just do Job right now. Satan used the serpent to question God's word and tempt Eve. Satan used Job's friends to question God 's positive declaration about Job, and suggest things that were wrong with Job. Satan used people to try and stop Paul from going to Jerusalem. There are thorns, physical thorn type things, and people acting like thorns.

Job 42:5
I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Sounds like job repented and moved up to vision that uses 4(?) cranial nerves (instead of hearing that uses one cranial nerve).

Elihu criticized Job too. God does not acknowledge Elihu as truth, but recognizes Job as a person to pray for his mistaken friends. Notice the wrath of Elihu. (Chapter 32)
James 1:20
For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Job depended on God for his Righteousness.
Job 9:15
Though I were innocent, I could not answer him; I could only plead with my Judge for mercy.

All the friends condem Job, but Job trusts God.

Jesus did not receive according to his ways. Job did not receive according to his ways (declared righteous by God). The accuser of the brothern was hard at work.


eddif

Elihu was right, the youngest, and the only one that spoke on God's behalf, and only one God did not get upset with. Job and the other guys, God was not real happy with.

I suppose I have to show you what Job did, and why Job got according to his ways. God was also actually defending Job, Not giving permission to the devil to get Job. God won't violate his word though and stop the devil before it's time for the devil to be thrown into the pit.

Looking at Job, comparing all the scriptures, not just the ones in Job.
Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually

What is Job doing here? He has a fear that his Children might just be cursing God in their heart at their parties. He has no idea, but just in case he is dragging animals out of his barn to make sacrifices.

Who told Job that cursing God is bad, it's not a scripture, and if you curse God, you die?
Is Faith motivating Job? Or is Fear of Loss motivating Job?

Only fear would motivate someone to say something they are not sure of, and only fear would cause someone to continually do something out of fear of loss.

Who is Job listening to here? Who would make someone worry? Who would lie and tell you something that is not true? God never said if you curse him you die.

Satan comes in...............
Does God know what Satan has been up to concerning Job? He sure does, and why He asked Satan if he came for His servant Job.

Satan said, Job only serves you because you put a hedge around Job, and made Job rich. That is a lie, it was serving God before God made Job rich, that God blessed him.

Is Satan saying anything truthful here? According to Jesus Satan can not say anything truthful. (John 8:44)

Everything Satan is telling God is junk.

Satan says, You Hurt Job God, you put your hands on him, and Job will bless you (Barak Hebrew to bless or salute back translated curse in Job only) to your face.

Barak in Hebrew means to acknowledge back for what is done. Mostly translated to bless back. Job did exactly what Satan said, but without sin, or a wrong heart.

What God say?
I am not hurting Job, Job is in your power, don't kill him.

God's response was not giving permission. Look, Behold means to pay attention over here. Job had been listening to and following Satan through actions and fear. Not faith in God.

And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
(Job 2:3)

God is telling Satan Job is still holding fast, and stop trying to get me to hurt him. This is without cause.

Does God see a purpose in Job being hurt, loosing his children? NO.

Satan uses the same theme he put in Job with God........... curse God, die.

Job's wife says the same thing............ Curse God, die.

It's something Satan got Job to believe and fear his children might be doing it, and fear that He should never do it.

Scripture:
58 times to Fear Not
48 times to be not afraid

be of good courage.
be careful for nothing
take no thought.

How did Satan get Eve to eat that fruit? Fear, that God was in someway holding out on them. God knows if you eat this, You will be like Him.

Following the devil, and acting on what He says, gives him a rightful place to operate.

What did Job say?
For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.
(Job 3:25-26)

Fear is actually faith that something bad is going to happen in the future. Job had more faith in the lies Satan kept telling him than His faith in God to keep and protect him.

Now, God warns us 58 times to fear not, 48 times to be not afraid, you tell me what happened to Job. We are warned of fear, far more than stealing or commuting adultery.

God said you choose, to be blessed or cursed. Israel choose fear and unbelief, and did not enter in because of unbelief.

Psa_78:41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.

so don't think for a second God is just going to step in despite us believing the fear of the devil, and not him him to save us.
We are to resist the devil, and submit to God.

Job did not know any of this, and why God had so much mercy despite Job blaming God for what happened
 
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