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Bible Study Pauls thorn in the side

jgredline

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2 cor 12:6-10
6 For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me. 7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.


Well what does all this mean?
12:6 There are many other great experiences of which the apostle could boast. If he should desire to engage in this boasting, he would not be a fool in doing so. Anything he would say would be the truth. But he is not going to do it, because he does not want anyone to think more highly of him than they actually find him to be or than they hear from him.
12:7 This whole section is a most accurate description of the life of a servant of Christ. It has its moments of deep humiliation, such as the event at Damascus. Then it has its mountain top experiences, such as Paul’s exhilarating revelation. But normally after a servant of the Lord has enjoyed one of these experiences, the Lord allows him to suffer some thorn in the flesh. That is what we have here.
We learn many priceless lessons from this verse. First, it is proof that even divine revelations of the Lord do not correct the flesh in us. Even after the apostle had listened to the language of Paradise, he still had the old nature, and was in danger of falling into the snare of pride.

As R. J. Reid has said: “A man in Christ†is safe in the presence of God as he listens to the untranslatable things spoken in paradise, but he needs “a thorn in the flesh†upon his return to earth, for the flesh in him would boast of his paradise experience.

What was Paul’s thorn in the flesh? All we can say for sure is that it was some bodily trial which God allowed to come into his life. No doubt the Lord purposely failed to specify exactly what the thorn was so that tried and tested saints down through the years might feel a closer kinship with the apostle as they suffer. Perhaps it was some form of eye disease, perhaps an earache, perhaps malaria, perhaps migraine headaches, perhaps something connected with Paul’s speech. Moorehead states: “The precise nature of it has been concealed perhaps that all afflicted ones may be encouraged and helped by Paul’s unnamed yet painful experience.†Our trials may be very different from Paul’s, but they should produce the same exercise and fruits.
The apostle describes the thorn in the flesh as a messenger of Satan to buffet him. In one sense it represented an effort on Satan’s part to hinder Paul in the work of the Lord. But God is greater than Satan, and He used the thorn to further the work of the Lord by keeping Paul humble. Successful service for Christ depends on a weak servant. The weaker he is, the more the power of Christ accompanies his preaching.
12:8 Three times Paul pleaded with the Lord that the thorn in the flesh might depart from him.
12:9 Paul’s prayer was answered, but not in the way he had hoped. In effect, God said to Paul, “I will not remove the thorn, but I will do something better: I will give you grace to bear it. And just remember, Paul, that although I have not given you what you asked for, yet I am giving you what you need most deeply. You want my power and strength to accompany your preaching, don’t you? Well, the best way to have that happen is for you to be kept in a place of weakness.â€Â
This was God’s repeated answer to Paul’s thrice repeated prayer. And it continues to be God’s answer to his suffering people throughout the world. Better than the removal of trials and sufferings is the companionship of the Son of God in them, and the assurance of His strength and enabling grace.
Notice that God says, My grace IS sufficient for you. We don’t have to ask Him to make His grace sufficient. It already IS!
The apostle is completely satisfied with the Lord’s answer, so he says, “Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.â€Â
When the Lord explained the wisdom of His actions, Paul said in effect that that was the only way he would want it to be. So instead of complaining and grumbling about the thorn, he would rather boast in his infirmities. He would get down on his knees and thank the Lord for them. He would gladly endure them if only the power of Christ might rest upon him.

J. Oswald Sanders puts it well: The world’s philosophy is, “What can’t be cured must be endured.†But Paul radiantly testifies, “What can’t be cured can be enjoyed. I enjoy weakness, sufferings, privations, and difficulties.†So wonderful did he prove God’s grace to be, that he even welcomed fresh occasions of drawing upon its fullness. “I gladly glory ... I even enjoyâ€Ââ€â€my thorn.â€Â


Emma Piechynska, the wife of a Polish nobleman, led a long life of frustration and disappointment. Yet her biographer paid a remarkable tribute to her triumphant faith: “She made magnificent bouquets out of the refusals of God!â€Â

12:10 Naturally speaking, it is quite impossible for us to take pleasure in the type of experiences listed here. But the key to the understanding of the verse is found in the expression, for Christ’s sake. We should be willing to endure in His cause, and in the furtherance of His gospel, things which we would not ordinarily endure for ourselves or for the sake of some loved one.
It is when we are conscious of our own weakness and nothingness that we most depend on the power of God. And it is when we are thus cast on Him in complete dependence that His power is manifested to us, and we are truly strong.

William Wilberforce, who led the fight to abolish slavery in the British Empre, was physically weak and frail, but he had deep faith in God. Boswell said of him, “I saw what seemed to me a shrimp become a whale.â€Â

In this verse Paul is obeying the word of the Lord in Matthew 5:11, 12. He is rejoicing when men reviled and persecuted him.


Blessings.
 
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
It means, be prepared to go through the Tribulation. :-D

:wink:
 
Wasn't Paul's thorn named James?

Har har. I hardly think James was "a messenger of Satan sent to buffet" Paul. The thorn seems to me implying a demon possessed man to aggravate Paul or a demon itself to test Paul (perhaps with an infirmity) as God did with Job.
 
cybershark5886 said:
Wasn't Paul's thorn named James?

Har har. I hardly think James was "a messenger of Satan sent to buffet" Paul. The thorn seems to me implying a demon possessed man to aggravate Paul or a demon itself to test Paul (perhaps with an infirmity) as God did with Job.

I think Paul's physical thorn may have been caused by the scales that fell from his eyes....it did appear he may have had eye problems...

Also...it is speculated Paul may have been epileptic...
 
I think Paul's physical thorn may have been caused by the scales that fell from his eyes....it did appear he may have had eye problems...

Also...it is speculated Paul may have been epileptic...

Those would count as infirmities, as I mentioned, so yes I believe that those might be possibilities. I've never heard anything about the scales from Paul's eyes being responsible but it does appear that Paul didn't have the greatest eye sight because when he shouted at the High Priest he apologized and said that he did not know it was the High Priest, possibly due to bad eye sight. Just speculation, but a possibility.
 
cybershark5886 said:
I think Paul's physical thorn may have been caused by the scales that fell from his eyes....it did appear he may have had eye problems...

Also...it is speculated Paul may have been epileptic...

Those would count as infirmities, as I mentioned, so yes I believe that those might be possibilities. I've never heard anything about the scales from Paul's eyes being responsible but it does appear that Paul didn't have the greatest eye sight because when he shouted at the High Priest he apologized and said that he did not know it was the High Priest, possibly due to bad eye sight. Just speculation, but a possibility.

True, very true.
Thanks Cybershark
 
Georges said:
cybershark5886 said:
Wasn't Paul's thorn named James?

Har har. I hardly think James was "a messenger of Satan sent to buffet" Paul. The thorn seems to me implying a demon possessed man to aggravate Paul or a demon itself to test Paul (perhaps with an infirmity) as God did with Job.

I think Paul's physical thorn may have been caused by the scales that fell from his eyes....it did appear he may have had eye problems...

Also...it is speculated Paul may have been epileptic...

Hello George:

Now wait a minute! You are a male right? Think about it, if you were
Timothy and you knew Paul had eye problems, would you let Paul
circumcise you?????? :-D

To me, that's proof that Paul didn't have an eye problem!

your servant in Messiah,
charlesj
 
charlesj said:
Georges said:
I think Paul's physical thorn may have been caused by the scales that fell from his eyes....it did appear he may have had eye problems...

Also...it is speculated Paul may have been epileptic...

Hello George:

Now wait a minute! You are a male right? Think about it, if you were
Timothy and you knew Paul had eye problems, would you let Paul
circumcise you?????? :-D

To me, that's proof that Paul didn't have an eye problem!

your servant in Messiah,
charlesj

ROTFLMBO..... :-D :-D :-D Is there any mention of Tim sittin in the soprano section of the choir the next week?
 
Georges said:
ROTFLMBO..... :-D :-D :-D Is there any mention of Tim sittin in the soprano section of the choir the next week?

I must admit you guys made me laugh. I can appreciate the sarcasm :-D :-D
 
Hi Gang!

Do you think possibly the Thorn in Pauls side was that he risked his life everyday, spreading the Evangel of Good for those predestinated to hear and believe ?

Just a thought, after all he did end up in Prison and was beheaded in the end.


Grace and Peace to you
 
Spirit Driven said:
Hi Gang!

Do you think possibly the Thorn in Pauls side was that he risked his life everyday, spreading the Evangel of Good for those predestinated to hear and believe ?

Just a thought, after all he did end up in Prison and was beheaded in the end.


Grace and Peace to you

It is only speculation that Paul was beheaded - but if he was, I'm pretty sure it was the top end. :-?
 
mutzrein said:
Spirit Driven said:
Hi Gang!

Do you think possibly the Thorn in Pauls side was that he risked his life everyday, spreading the Evangel of Good for those predestinated to hear and believe ?

Just a thought, after all he did end up in Prison and was beheaded in the end.


Grace and Peace to you

It is only speculation that Paul was beheaded - but if he was, I'm pretty sure it was the top end. :-?

Mutz
Because Paul was a roman citizen, he was most likley beheaded, since the Romans did not crucify thier own.
 
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