Phil Schnieder/murdered/gov. cover-up on aliens

[Carol Lowery]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rvoXlmD0F4&feature=related
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ex_wifephil.htm
Must read after video....plus there are other videos of Phil Schneider part 1,2,3 and so on to check out.

I found this so disturbing about our goverment, but not surprised in the least. But the contents of this video were alarming.

When I was 14, my family lived in Lomita California, we all witness a very large disc in the sky, we about trambled each other down to get in the front door. There were numerous sightings for about a month or so, and this would have been in 1967/68. A few months later we moved into this cute little spanish home, same town with this huge back yard with every kind of fruit tree you could imagine.....like a jungle. Gosh it's hard to talk about....anyway we had another experience except this time it got up and personal....I mean in the home personal with us all. Gosh sometimes (rarely) I can talk about this. After the video my gutt is jumpy. And you would think after 41 years it could get easier to talk about....not. What I was wondering, has anyone here had any kind of experience in that area? What we all witness I couldn't never connect with what other people have experience until many many years later I read Whitney Stribber's Book "Communion" and one of the beings he discribes that he experience was exactly the same little being we experienced. Scared us all to pieces, and a topic we don't discuss.....I can think of only two times it was discussed in all these years.

Anyway....anyone out there thinks they're out there?

Kudos HIM,
Carol <><

 

[Rick W]

No matter how far we go or how far we look unless we find something substantial there will always be the possibility to those who believe they are out there. The universe is pretty much endless to us so not finding something in one place then there will be someone saying, "Well, wait until we develop the technology to go over there and have a look."
Mars is a good example. Years ago it was thought life existed on the surface in some form or another. Not finding that to be so we dig a little bit into the soil. If we don't find life there then we'll dig a little deeper. If we still don't find life then we'll drill even deeper. If nothing is found in that place then there will be people wanting to go over yonder to dig/drill. This could go on for many, many years or never really cease.
Is there life out there? I don't know. Can't prove it nor disprove it. And until something real is found then that will always be so.

 

[Vic C.]

... Anyway....anyone out there thinks they're out there?

Kudos HIM,
Carol <><

No Carol, not any more. They now live on Earth and many visit this site from time to time. :robot:

:-D

 

[Gabe]

I knew some illigal aliens once, does that count? :-D

 

[handy]

I think that alien explanations usally fall into three catagories: First and by far the most are out and out hoaxes, done by those who want to see if they can pull something over on others, and perhaps get some good video that will spawn highly lucrative book and lecture tours. Second come from folks seeing test flights of new aircraft that haven't been declassified to the public yet. Third, more rarely, could be demonic activity intended to strike fear into the heart of someone, without exposing themselves as demons. And, naturally there would be a small percentage of folks misinterpreting normal things as UFO's.

When we were building our house here on the side of the mountain, 9 years ago, we were sitting outside one evening. As we were sitting there, we saw a low flying UFO, skimming the top of the mountain that makes up the wall of the valley opposite us. The next morning the talk radio was full of the "sightings" of our UFO. Folks called in from all over the Treasure Valley reporting it. The government was mum on the whole thing. But, our UFO was definately of the "normal thing" variety. Frankly, being so close and fairly level with it, Steve and I were able to tell exactly what it was. It was some kind of missle, probably being tested, that had gone off path and exploded over Squaw Butte. We saw it disengrate and explode. I'm sure that if we were able to hold the mid-level brass at Gowen Field down and make them talk, they would admit that somehow one of their missles went astray, causing danger to folks, but we're really not particularly interested in doing so. They do have to test those things and usually the testing is done south of Boise out in the high deserts of Southren Idaho, Northren Nevada and Westren Oregon. This one went over some fairly populated areas though. But, thankfully, no one was hurt in anyway and the missle simply exploded harmlessly over the Butte. It was pretty spectacular though.

What exactly was your personal experience, Carol? Yours sounds as though it could be demonic in nature.

For the record, I don't have a problem with believing that God may have made many other planets with other intelligent beings out there. I just don't think that Earth is some kind of Intergalactic Rest-Stop for them.

 

[Gabe]

Joking aside, my sister and younger brother saw something once fly over his house. It was too dark to see what it may have been but it was flying way too low and to quiet to be your average aircraft. My sister jumped in her car and followed it as far as she could go before it accelerated and flew out of view. She does not believe in UFOs but she did see something, what exactly that may be is anyone's guess.

 

[handy]

joking aside, my sister and younger brother saw something once fly over his house. It was too dark to see what it may have been but it was flying way too low and to quiet to be your average aircraft. My sister jumped in her car and followed it as far as she could go before it accelerated and flew out of view. She does not believe in ufo's but she did see something, what exactly that may be is anyones guess.

It may have been one of the stealth jets. We went to an airshow at Gowen Field once and they had a fly over of one of the stealth jets. It is amazing how low they can fly and how quiet they are and they look very strange as well. I know that they are responsible for at least some "UFO" sightings.

 

[Vic C.]

For the record, I don't have a problem with believing that God may have made many other planets with other intelligent beings out there. I just don't think that Earth is some kind of Intergalactic Rest-Stop for them

Yes, I'm somewhere between that and what Potluck wrote. I was just having a little fun with Carol. If she remembers our last PM convo, she'll understand. 8-)

 

[Carol Lowery]

That was good Vic : I'm believing it, just the other day one visited here... :-D


Now what my family saw and many others in town was huge, after that there's were sightings of large lights sitting in the sky then moving fast, though I didn't see those. We pretty much didn't have any cook outs for a while. What we saw was just unbelieveably huge, like the size of a football field, it had no windows, no lights, smooth diffinately metallic, it pick up the hues of the sky almost like it was trying to blend itself with the sky, except it size kept that from happening. And chances are we wouldn't have even seen it if we hadn't started carrying in the food cause of the flies. Our backs were toward it, there was no sound, when we were all at the front door, hands full, my dad look over and said: What the _ell is that? Immediately we all looked and was absolutely dumb founded for about 30 seconds which seem like eternity at the time. It was about 6:30/7 p.m., you know when the clouds turn those beautiful shades of lavendar and pink and orange. I remember the thought I had when we all saw it; I thought how can something that big sit up there in the sky, why can't I hear it? and what scared me was that brief thought (I know it sound crazy) of them collecting us. After about 30 seconds we all decided to scream at the same time, and charge the door, like the poor door was big enough for 5 people to get through all at the same time. We ran to the kitchen and put everything down and ran to the windows to look out and it was gone....just gone that fast. My dad was a highway patrolman w/police dog, thank goodness the dog was oblivious of the fact but was freaking cause we all were. I couldn't stop crying or screaming, my dad got out the guns and called some buddies to see if anyone had been calling in down at the station. I couldn't even go to school the next day, I pitched a fit not to go outside any way shape or form, I wasn't going out that door. And because it effected us all in one way or another....we moved....I guess in our little minds we thought moving made us safe, but at least we didn't have to think about it so much anymore by being reminding where it happened. Six months later in our new little spanish home is when we all experienced something awful. None of us could remember the time lost, we just knew it had been lost. Ok give me some time here guys cause this stuff really tears me up inside.....gives me the jitters and makes my stomach quiver....I guess nerves.

Kudos HIM,
Carol <><

 

[Carol Lowery]

OK I'm going to finish this so I can get myself settled and done.

It was right after dinner, and me and my older step sisters are cleaning up the dishes, kitchen etc. etc. as usual. And there was a load of sheets in the wash that had just finished. So I grabbed them out and put them in the basket to go outside and hang them on the line. It was just starting to be dusk, still could see good. I'm standing in front of the clothes line and I pull the sheet out and fold it with the edges ready to clip to the line....and I got the first two clothes pins on, when something came from behind me and ran to the other side of the sheet and back behind me running circle around me. It was about 3 feet tall but it moved so fast I couldn't get my focus on it for details/features, it was very white and moved so fast that it left a slight white trail as it moved, like it was toying with me. I was so scared that I grabbed the sheet to cover my face and started squating down in a protective mode pulling the sheet with me, I remember hearing the clothes pins popping off, my heart hammering, feeling like I was going to pass out from fear. And the next thing I know is that my ears are ringing, I'm puking and screaming on the top bunk in our bedroom, my step sister Lorrie shoots up from her twin bed, Jackie shoots up from underneath me, our closet door slams open against the wall and this same thing runs out of the closet out of our bedroom door down the hallway into the living room and hits the doorway into the living room with a loud bang and a funny sound. We're all three screaming our heads off, my dad is trying to figure out whats going on, he grabs his gun and searches the house and finds nothing. Then here was the weird thing, after we all calmed down the best we could and started talking, it was like we all came to the same memory of eating dinner, cleaning up after dinner, and how did we all end up in bed with our nightclothes on and it was one o'clock in morning? None of us could go outside, so as soon as morning broke, dad went outside into the back yard and there was the basket with the sheet half in the basket half on the ground with the clothes pins scattered on the ground. Thank God it was summer time cause my butt wasn't going out no where, not school, not in the back yard.....no where. For a while dad would stay up with a gun, got flood lights all around the house installed, got a lock for the back gate, and then about six months later dad got a transfer and we moved to Long Beach right on the ocean of Pacific Coast Highway.....down from the Queen Mary, and never experienced nothing like that ever again....and don't want to. It's still hard to talk about after 41 years. My husband wants me to get hypmotized to see if any details can be remembered, but personally it was so tramatic for all of us, I don't emotionally think I can handle reliving the experience of it. I feel it will do more harm than help. Personally I don't want to remember what and if what happen in that time lost. It being lost is enough for me, and having nightmares about stupid owls for he longest time......I still can't stand an owl....why I don't know.

So anyway, many many years later I'm reading this book because I had alot of questions but who can answer them without them thinking you're crazy.....so of course I did private research....books. I read this book A true story by Whitley Strieber titled: Communion I don't know if anyone else read it, but I get about half way through the book and one of the beings he discribes is exactly what I saw and it toyed with his wife, moving back and forth real fast around the bed poking her like showing him she's not going to wake up. What he discribed about how it moved so fast and left a slight trail of white and he couldn't focus in seeing any details/features of it.....well let's say it hit home big time. Ok I'm done, and I got to settle my tummy...IBS and this topic don't mix well with me. But this thing with Phil Schnieder and listening to his experience is un-nerving to say the least.....then to be murdered 6 months later after he came forward. Kind of stirred up some old unsettling issues with me. The other night I woke my husband up screaming help me, somebody help me, and even woke myself up doing it. Kind of made me feel alone out here in the world.


Kudos HIM,
Carol <><

 

[handy]

Carol,
Have you ever prayerfully considered that what you encountered was demonic in nature rather than alien?

 

[Carol Lowery]

It didn't feel demonic Dora.....it felt just different. It's hard to explain.

Carol

 

[Carol Lowery]

I have face demonic forces Dora.....is was just different....but I don't have the words to express that difference.

Carol

Editing this in... My besfriend Gail has tried to help me with this when it surfaces and didn't surface after all these years until she was telling me about how one hovered close to the ground in her back yard 28 years ago. Scared her to death and she hurried to get the children in the house, she had just come home from grocery shopping and didn't notice until her daughter asked her what did daddy put in the back yard. The one she saw wasn't as big, but same discription, no windows, smooth, metallic disk shape. After she got the girls in the house she tried to approach it and it moved up and back over into the neighbors yard, and she went to the back fence and it shot strainght up in the air. Gails a devout christian like me, so I know she wouln't lie about it and the girls remember it too. But I broke me out in the shakes when she told me about it, so of course I told her about mine. That's when it got stirred up in me again.

 

[handy]

I ask because, while it's impossible to say whether or not aliens are visiting earth, we know for a fact that demons are here.

I believe it was in the Screwtape Letters, CS Lewis delved into what could best be described as a demonic conundrum: They have worked so hard to instill materialism and pragmatism into man so as to cause man to deny all supernatural. However, in denying God, man also denies demons. It makes it easy for the demons to operate, but limits them in their ability to terrify and hold power over humans. If the demons openly terrorize the human, they run the risk of the human realizing that the supernatural exists and that can cause them to open their heart to God. In the Screwtape Letters, the demon was speaking that they needed a way to terrorize humans that didn't point towards God.

Aliens fit right into this. Alien "abductees" can claim all the terror of being harrassed by demons, yet not believe that demons were the cause, rather aliens were and there is nothing particularly 'supernatural' about aliens. Aliens are after all part of our material universe. By masquerading as aliens rather than showing themselves as demons, the demons can oppress and possess an otherwise pragmatic and material man, without opening up the whole supernatural realm.

One of the things that is quite clear from your account is that you all were very afraid and that fear has carried itself with you all this time. That does sound demonic as well, demons can work quite a bit with fear.

BTW, I wouldn't advise the hypnosis. Keep in mind that this does not mean a demon is possessing you, for you belong to the Holy Spirit and no demon can possess what is the Spirit's. However, a demon can oppress a Christian and cause fear to work in your life. Rather than go the hypnosis route, which if this is demonic in nature, isn't a good idea at all, it might be better to pray(of course) and also see if there is someone who is a solid, Bible-believing Christian that is experienced in handling the demonic.

I see that you have added another post. You know I had a weird experince myself in life that still to this day didn't seem demonic to me, but after eliminating all the other possibilities, what's left is either my brother, sister and I were all crazy, or it was demonic. Demons can and do masquerade as other things, including angels of light. They are liars by nature.

 

[Carol Lowery]

You may be right Dora, it just haunts the crap out of me at times. That Phil Schnieder thing got me and watching all those blogs. Going to bed...... time to pray and get some sleep....well that's over my god son just IM me now.

Sweet Dreams Dora.....Carol....catch you on the flip flop