Pisteuo !

[Watchman 2]

Per cdl regs,he must check .as I,have a cdl,class b,and I work in a tire shop. Most cars now have a tpms.

Ya, I'm aware of the latest gizmos.

I wish I would have had them on my Fifth wheel before the 7 blowouts in one year. lol

 

[Watchman 2]

Okay, yes................. My faith is such that I don't doubt that God will do what he says he will do. Like the oxygen I know I need to breath.

Philippians 2:12-13 He is is doing his will through me

True NT pisteuo, or continually surrendered life, can't have any expectations of something in return!

That wouldn't be a true surrender if I was expecting something in return. That would be more of a business deal or vending machine kind of transaction.

And doubt really doesn't play into it the way the church world today sees it.

 

[LovethroughDove]

True NT pisteuo, or continually surrendered life, can't have any expectations of something in return!

That wouldn't be a true surrender if I was expecting something in return. That would be more of a business deal or vending machine kind of transaction.

And doubt really doesn't play into it the way the church world today sees it.

This is the kind of surrender

Romans 6:18

 

[Watchman 2]

This is the kind of surrender

Romans 6:18

Yes , but, I'm focusing on the beginning of the salvation journey, before we receive the Spirit of Christ.
I can't move onto the next phase of the process until I get an agreement on what saving Faith is!

Rom. 6:18 is defining someone who has been living a life of sustained surrender and has gone through the testing grafting and eventually accepted and sealed with the Grace deposit.

 

[JLB]

The Strong's specifically states, " pisteuo means NOT just to believe."

The Vines specifically defines pisteuo as " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of Gods revelation of truth."

Any disagreement?

I agree with this very well explained definition, as It is our action of faith that we must do to be saved.


However, this is in context with the Gospel: to believe the Gospel.


If we believe the Gospel, we must obey the Gospel.


It is the combination of believing with the heart and confessing with the mouth Jesus as Lord (repent), that we are saved.




JLB

 

[Watchman 2]

I agree with this very well explained definition, as It is our action of faith that we must do to be saved.


However, this is in context with the Gospel: to believe the Gospel.


If we believe the Gospel, we must obey the Gospel.


It is the combination of believing with the heart and confessing with the mouth Jesus as Lord (repent), that we are saved.




JLB

Ok , if pisteuo is an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence, what is the act?

Your seeing "the belief" as the act! Instead of the belief supporting the act.

The same Faith that Abraham fulfilled back in the day " must" be the same for us today. God's promises were the occasion for Abraham's Faith, the act of Faith was resting on God Himself. That's what I was trying to show in the call of the Father thread. That the saving Faith understood in today's church world, wouldn't work before God's word was known to the masses.

The only act that fulfills the requirements of saving Faith starts with a surrendered life to God. Then, " the belief", that God will accept the surrendered life. Then sustained by confident decisions inspired by such surrender. No word of God yet at this beginning stages of the process.

This understanding was accumulated over 33 years of daily searching. Please ask questions, I don't expect anyone to understand this completely in a day or two.

 

[LovethroughDove]

The first step that happened to me was I cried out to God to "kill me" with my entire being. I guess I cried for mercy. Long story, but I was having the worst headache ever because I just had an ectopic pregnancy and the drugs they had given me were causing my headache. He responded with putting me out instantly and when I was waking, I felt the words "he is my son".

I'm gonna relate this act of crying out.......to that of a child calling out to their parent for help

Matthew 18:2-4 He called a little child and had them stand among them. And he said, "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

 

[JLB]

Ok , if pisteuo is an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence, what is the act?

Repent Is the act.

 

[Watchman 2]

The first step that happened to me was I cried out to God to "kill me" with my entire being. I guess I cried for mercy. Long story, but I was having the worst headache ever because I just had an ectopic pregnancy and the drugs they had given me were causing my headache. He responded with putting me out instantly and when I was waking, I felt the words "he is my son".

I'm gonna relate this act of crying out.......to that of a child calling out to their parent for help

Matthew 18:2-4 He called a little child and had them stand among them. And he said, "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

Ultimately we can't put God in a box and not see how He works with each individual in a unique way. But the foundational requirements of how God has mandated Faith and Faithing still must've met.

It's my hope that you and many others are fulfilling these requirements of saving Faith and maybe aren't even aware of it.

What I've shared here in the last week is only the first part of the salvation journey. I have detailed understandings for each thing that must happen in the salvation journey,and in the correct order.

Sadly we seem to be stuck here at the start.

 

[Watchman 2]

Repent Is the act.

Repentance isn't NT pisteuo! Repentance correctly understood is simply a turning from our way to another's way ( in this case God) in our mind. A mental change in direction, that's it!

The first step towards God is the first act of submitting a genuine surrendered life.

 

[JLB]

Repentance isn't NT pisteuo! Repentance correctly understood is simply a turning from our way to another's way ( in this case God) in our mind. A mental change in direction, that's it!

The first step towards God is the first act of submitting a genuine surrendered life.

That is exactly what repents means; turn to God In submission to Him as Lord.

Words of Christ in red —



But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’
“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:16-20

If we are called to turn to God, then by default we are called to turn away from Satan as our Lord.

The way we obey the Gospel command to repent is to confess Jesus as Lord.



that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9-10



JLB

 

[Seasoned by Grace]

To the original poster WATCHMAN2

I'm new here.
What was your point in posting this?
I've studied Greek for years.
I'm confused

My name is OLIGOS

 

[Watchman 2]

To the original poster WATCHMAN2

I'm new here.
What was your point in posting this?
I've studied Greek for years.
I'm confused

My name is OLIGOS

Pisteuo, for us the most important word in the Greek texts, was mistranslated into the English texts.

When pisteuo was mistranslated into the English as " believe, believer, and believing, " it changed the object of Faith from God Himself to God's word and His promises. If the object of Faith is God's word and His promises, it can't result in the recieving of the Spirit of Christ, thus making Christ, His word, and the promises ours.

Make sure you read the first page.

 

[Seasoned by Grace]

it changed the object of Faith from God Himself to God's word and His promises.

NASB Reference as well as 40 some others.

I kindly disagree with this statement of yours I quoted above. You give no bible reference as it's only an opinion and it's incorrect.
You are separating God from His word (Jesus).
John1:1 Says, "In the beginning was the word (JESUS), and the word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God.

John 1:14 says, "And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His Glory..

The word of God was not only God Himself, but they were the words He wrote through the original authors, and according to John in the above verses where Jesus is proclaimed by God through John that the word is Jesus, how do you separate God from Himself.
My object of faith is both God and His word,
so there's something amiss with your premise or foundational thinking.

I do agree with a lot of your other thoughts as they are based on the words of Christ, not yours.

I' d be a little more careful what you call the truth, as all who teach, will be held to a higher standard at judgement.

God bless
My name is OLIGOS (Yes...that's Greek)

 

[Watchman 2]

NASB Reference as well as 40 some others.

I kindly disagree with this statement of yours I quoted above. You give no bible reference as it's only an opinion and it's incorrect.
You are separating God from His word (Jesus).
John1:1 Says, "In the beginning was the word (JESUS), and the word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God.

John 1:14 says, "And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His Glory..

The word of God was not only God Himself, but they were the words He wrote through the original authors, and according to John in the above verses where Jesus is proclaimed by God through John that the word is Jesus, how do you separate God from Himself.
My object of faith is both God and His word,
so there's something amiss with your premise or foundational thinking.

I do agree with a lot of your other thoughts as they are based on the words of Christ, not yours.

I' d be a little more careful what you call the truth, as all who teach, will be held to a higher standard at judgement.

God bless
My name is OLIGOS (Yes...that's Greek)

Scripture isn't the problem. Doing the things God expects everyone do first is the problem.

Pisteuo is used 248 times in the NT. Do I need to provide all 248 for you?

The Vines definition of pisteuo is " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender"

The Strong's," pisteuo means NOT just to believe."

Without pisteuo being correctly fulfilled, no Spirit of Christ, no Christ, no Word of God, no promises. Rom. 8:9

Not one opinion, just facts.

One more misrepresentation, were done!

 

[Seasoned by Grace]

Your still in error.
You didn't respond to my statement above that I quoted you said.
You just restated your earlier statements.

Without pisteuo being correctly fulfilled, no Spirit of Christ, no Christ, no Word of God, no promises. Rom. 8:9

I disagree with this too..
Romans 8:9 says, "If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, He does not belong to God."

We do not receive the Spirit by believing (pisteuo) as you said above, we receive the Spirit through baptism as proclaimed by Peter in Acts 2:38...be baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
You may need to rethink what your saying here in this thread.

God bless you,
My name is OLIGOS

 

[Watchman 2]

Your still in error.
You didn't respond to my statement above that I quoted you said.
You just restated your ealier statements.



I disagree with this too..
Romans 8:9 says, "If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, He does not belong to God."

We do not receive the Spirit by believing (pisteuo) as you said above, we receive the Spirit through baptism as proclaimed by Peter in Acts 2:38...be baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
You may need to rethink what your saying here.

God bless you,
My name is OLIGOS

No I said one more misrepresentation and we're done, that was two, we're done!

 

[Seasoned by Grace]

Have you studied pisteuo, ginosko, epiginosko,and oida as a group of family words that form a progressive thought.

My name is OLIGOS

 

[Watchman 2]

Pisteuo is a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of Gods revelation of truth. All this stands in contrast to belief in it's purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good faith without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's Faith was not God's promise ( that was the occasion of its exercise) his Faith rested on God Himself."

 

[Seasoned by Grace]

We're supposed to list our sources
NASB bible
Gerhard Kittle - Theological 10 volumn Greek dictionary of the New Teatament
William Mounces Expository Greek Dictionary.
Spiros Zodhiates complete Greek New Testament word study New testament bible.
Spiros Zodhiates complete Greek word study dictionary.
Vines complete expository Greek word dictionary.
Strongs concordance
The NIV Exhaustive concordance by Edward W. Goodrick & John Kohlenberger.
New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible

My name is OLIGOS