Please Dear God, Help Humans To Stop Killing Each Other.

[JAG ..]

The Crusades were "a series of medieval military expeditions made by Europeans to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries." If you google the number of dead you get estimates from 1 to 9 million. Nobody knows because there were no records kept. "Most scholars agree that the total dead was in the millions"

We Christians write books blaming the Muslims for The Crusades. The Muslims write books blaming the Christians for The Crusades. Some Secularists write books blaming the Christians and the Muslims for The Crusades. Some Theists write books blaming the Secularists (eg. Mao Zedong) for hundreds of millions of dead people, world-wide and history-wide.

Definitions: I am using "Religious" to mean having religious motives for actions taken based on a belief in God or gods. I am using "Secular" to mean having no religious motives for actions taken based on a belief in God or gods.

Here are some numbers off the web indicating how many people died as a results of various wars.
World War 1 -- some 39 million dead
World War 2 -- some 60 to 84 million dead
Mongol Conquest -- some 60 million dead
An Lushan Rebellion -- some 36 million dead
Second Sino-Japanese War -- some 20 million dead
Conquests Of Tamerlane -- some 20 million dead
Dungan Revolt -- some 16 million dead
Russian Civil War -- some 5 to 9 million dead
The American Civil War -- some 618 to 700,000 dead
Source: Wikipedia article on "War"

World War l and World War ll was basically fought between
nations whose populations were vast majority Christians --
(eg. Germany, Italy, France, United States) --- this means that
Christians were killing each other in order to settle political
disputes.

Just think about that. Born again Christians killing each other
in order to settle political disputes.

The American Civil War was fought between the Christian North
and the Christian South -- again Christians killing each other in
order to settle political disputes. There was about 700,000 killed
in the American Civil War -- not to mention the severely maimed
and the terrible emotional grief of losing husbands and sons.

The American Revolutionary War was fought between Christian
England and Christian America. Again Christians killing each other
over a political dispute. Was the American Revolutionary War
justified? YES it was. But nonetheless it was still Christians killing
each other over a political dispute. It could have been settled
peacefully without blood shed.

No I am NOT a pacifist. I do believe that some wars were necessary.
For example, I do believe that World War 2 was a necessary war --
Hitler and the Nazis needed to be stopped and it is clear that
Hitler and the Nazis had absolutely no intention of being "talked
out of" world domination. Thus they needed to be stopped with the
sword of The Allies in 1939 - 1945.

Regarding the slaughter in World war l -- where Christians killed each
other by the tens of millions -- it is my recollection that all as in 100%
of historians view World War l as being totally unnecessary. It was
mass human slaughter for absolutely zero moral justification.

Then add all this below to all that up above.

"The Death Toll From Statism: Civilians Killed By Governments - excluding wars"
China (communists) 35 million
Germany (total 20th century) 21 million
The Holocaust (1938-1945) 6 million
Soviet Union (total 20th century) 62 million
Stalinist Purges (1930 -1938) 20 -60 million
Cambodia (1975-1979) 1 -2 million

Source: It's getting Better All The Time: 100 Greatest Trends Of The Last 100 Years
by Stephen Moore and Julian Simon, page 16, published by the Cato Institute.
Moore and Simon got the above from Statistics Of Democide by Rudy J. Rummel
as cited in The Economist magazine.

 

[Tertul]

I'm very much anti-war. Wars are generally about lying politicians using their people as pawns. A dead simple example is the US war on Iraq over fictitious WMDs.

If the US stayed out of the Revolutionary war, the US would have been part of the UK for some decades before eventually achieving independence peacefully, in the style of Canada.

If the US stayed out of the Civil War, there would be two countries. More the better!

If the US stayed out of WWII, Communism would have been stopped in its infancy. That would have been excellent!

 

[Truthfrees]

I'm very much anti-war. Wars are generally about lying politicians using their people as pawns. A dead simple example is the US war on Iraq over fictitious WMDs.

this is so true

If the US stayed out of the Revolutionary war, the US would have been part of the UK for some decades before eventually achieving independence peacefully, in the style of Canada.

why do you say that? - can you clarify how canada did it?

If the US stayed out of the Civil War, there would be two countries. More the better!

interesting concept

If the US stayed out of WWII, Communism would have been stopped in its infancy. That would have been excellent!

can you clarify? communism is oppressive governments who use their people rather than care for them - what about all the communist countries the USA did not get involved with? - why do you say communism would have been stopped

 

[jasonc]

Well except the only faith to be govt funded was anglican,imagibe asking permission to build a church ,a temple in America .visit savannah and learn that the only,temple and Catholic church allowed in the colonies was because Forsyth convinced king George to allow it

Blood was spilled before Britain ended slavery ,several rebelluons ended by the red coats in the Jamaican,Bahamian island,and Belize

 

[Tertul]

why do you say that? - can you clarify how canada did it?
interesting concept

Canada gained independence from Britain peacefully. It did take more than a century, but it was bloodless. They did it politically. Being a subject of Britain isn't so bad, at least the Canadians weren't doing much complaining about it (not like Hong Kong vs. China). The Boston Tea Party, ironically, was about a tax cut, maybe unfair but not so bad.

can you clarify? communism is oppressive governments who use their people rather than care for them - what about all the communist countries the USA did not get involved with? - why do you say communism would have been stopped

By entering WWII, the US essentially was fighting on the side of red China and the USSR, just when Communism was coming to power. Imagine no cold war, no Mao, no Stalin, no proxy wars, no soviet puppet governments.

 

[Truthfrees]

Canada gained independence from Britain peacefully. It did take more than a century, but it was bloodless. They did it politically. Being a subject of Britain isn't so bad, at least the Canadians weren't doing much complaining about it (not like Hong Kong vs. China). The Boston Tea Party, ironically, was about a tax cut, maybe unfair but not so bad.



By entering WWII, the US essentially was fighting on the side of red China and the USSR, just when Communism was coming to power. Imagine no cold war, no Mao, no Stalin, no proxy wars, no soviet puppet governments.

thanks - didn't know that

 

[jasonc]

thanks - didn't know that

Common knowledge on that we sides with the lesser of two evils,however mao,like Chang Kai shek,was an ally,while not,perfect is why tawain isn't communist .

If we didn't fight ,likely I,would have not been born or murdered .to assume that Nazism ,anti semitusm didn't have a foot hold in,America is to ignore reality .

Henry Ford printed rabid anti semetic articles ,margaret Sanger also was.

This said the crown would have used the colonies to fight in its wars,see the seven year wars,and no European colonies were allowed to tolerate each other ,ie if the French encroached Florida ,Spain expected the troops at st.Augustine to remove them.

See fort Caroline ,also explorers were profiteers and raided other colonies from,other nations ,see st.Augustine set a flame ,raided by Francis drake ,Walter Raleigh and the favor returned .

See ft.Fredericka and why Forsyth was sent to Georgia ,the colony,was too be a barrier to halt Spanish encroachment .

Now then if a gun or sword point I,must fight and die then I prefer to fight them to live as I see fit.

This is alluded to in the declaration of independence .

Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

Note: The following text is a transcription of the Stone Engraving of the parchment Declaration of Independence (the document on display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum.) The spelling and punctuation reflects the original.

www.archives.gov

The American Revolution: Causes

Learn about the Causes of the American Revolution including the French and Indian War, taxes, the Intolerable Acts, Boston Massacre, and more.

www.ducksters.com

The war also was fought in Florida ,the crown was so,loved that France and spain helped us out of spite,they kept the crown busy.they both hated the colonies but hated the crown more.

We knew this and used it .

I don't confine myself to just ww2 history of Florida ,or anywhere .I,do focus on Florida.

We knew Japan would attack in,the mid 30s,in 1940,we called up,the national guard for a year to train ,the guard was so ready that it was the first to see action in both theatres.we also allowed volunteers under doolittle to hit jap targets in Japan.

We knew Germany was also bad .it was inevitable that we would get involved ,yes we aided Briton with the lend lease act .Hitler promise not attack us,yeah right ,that's why he later hit Britain .chamberlain,made a deal with Hitler and yet Hitler attacked

 

[humble soul]

The Crusades were "a series of medieval military expeditions made by Europeans to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries." If you google the number of dead you get estimates from 1 to 9 million. Nobody knows because there were no records kept. "Most scholars agree that the total dead was in the millions"

We Christians write books blaming the Muslims for The Crusades. The Muslims write books blaming the Christians for The Crusades. Some Secularists write books blaming the Christians and the Muslims for The Crusades. Some Theists write books blaming the Secularists (eg. Mao Zedong) for hundreds of millions of dead people, world-wide and history-wide.

Definitions: I am using "Religious" to mean having religious motives for actions taken based on a belief in God or gods. I am using "Secular" to mean having no religious motives for actions taken based on a belief in God or gods.

Here are some numbers off the web indicating how many people died as a results of various wars.
World War 1 -- some 39 million dead
World War 2 -- some 60 to 84 million dead
Mongol Conquest -- some 60 million dead
An Lushan Rebellion -- some 36 million dead
Second Sino-Japanese War -- some 20 million dead
Conquests Of Tamerlane -- some 20 million dead
Dungan Revolt -- some 16 million dead
Russian Civil War -- some 5 to 9 million dead
The American Civil War -- some 618 to 700,000 dead
Source: Wikipedia article on "War"

World War l and World War ll was basically fought between
nations whose populations were vast majority Christians --
(eg. Germany, Italy, France, United States) --- this means that
Christians were killing each other in order to settle political
disputes.

Just think about that. Born again Christians killing each other
in order to settle political disputes.

The American Civil War was fought between the Christian North
and the Christian South -- again Christians killing each other in
order to settle political disputes. There was about 700,000 killed
in the American Civil War -- not to mention the severely maimed
and the terrible emotional grief of losing husbands and sons.

The American Revolutionary War was fought between Christian
England and Christian America. Again Christians killing each other
over a political dispute. Was the American Revolutionary War
justified? YES it was. But nonetheless it was still Christians killing
each other over a political dispute. It could have been settled
peacefully without blood shed.

No I am NOT a pacifist. I do believe that some wars were necessary.
For example, I do believe that World War 2 was a necessary war --
Hitler and the Nazis needed to be stopped and it is clear that
Hitler and the Nazis had absolutely no intention of being "talked
out of" world domination. Thus they needed to be stopped with the
sword of The Allies in 1939 - 1945.

Regarding the slaughter in World war l -- where Christians killed each
other by the tens of millions -- it is my recollection that all as in 100%
of historians view World War l as being totally unnecessary. It was
mass human slaughter for absolutely zero moral justification.

Then add all this below to all that up above.

"The Death Toll From Statism: Civilians Killed By Governments - excluding wars"
China (communists) 35 million
Germany (total 20th century) 21 million
The Holocaust (1938-1945) 6 million
Soviet Union (total 20th century) 62 million
Stalinist Purges (1930 -1938) 20 -60 million
Cambodia (1975-1979) 1 -2 million

Source: It's getting Better All The Time: 100 Greatest Trends Of The Last 100 Years
by Stephen Moore and Julian Simon, page 16, published by the Cato Institute.
Moore and Simon got the above from Statistics Of Democide by Rudy J. Rummel
as cited in The Economist magazine.

i am impressed by your knowledge and interest in this subject.
as jordan peterson emphasises, Russian attocities are often minimised or overlooked altogether.

 

[jasonc]

i am impressed by your knowledge and interest in this subject.
as jordan peterson emphasises, Russian attocities are often minimised or overlooked altogether.

For those unwillimg to look.I,guess because my,family,fled Russia during,the 1890,purges I tend to have an interest

 

[jasonc]

Im not against the call for peace per as but truly,for it to,happen The Return must happen. Yet I have family who will die in judgement .Lord have mercy on my,Jewish kin,and my,wife's family,forgive me too.in Your Name amen

 

[humble soul]

For those unwillimg to look.I,guess because my,family,fled Russia during,the 1890,purges I tend to have an interest

oh wow. thanks .you must have some stories to tell. I think Stalin was a bloody mobster monster.

 

[jasonc]

oh wow. thanks .you must have some stories to tell. I think Stalin was a bloody mobster monster.

Czarist russia

 

[humble soul]

Czarist russia

So Tsarist Russia was evil too?

 

[jasonc]

So Tsarist Russia was evil too?

Nice Russian spelling ,while not as evil,as the bolveshivik power and lenism ,Stalinism afterwards ,it had deplorable slavery,pom,groms which were forced removal of jews to other areas .

Great grandpa Jacob killed a cossack for killing his uncle then,along with his cousin fled to Canada and then worked his way to Ellis island ,then savannah and bringing family,soon after .

How he did that is another thread .my,surname is where we came from ,in Russia

 

[Tertul]

Common knowledge on that we sides with the lesser of two evils,however mao,like Chang Kai shek,was an ally,while not,perfect is why tawain isn't communist .

You call Chang Kai shek an ally, the USS instigated his defeat by attacking Japan.

If the US hadn't attack Japan, all of China and Taiwan likely wouldn't have been Communist. China was in a civil war with soviet-backed Communists. Japan attacked, and the two Chinese sides set aside their civil war to fight Japan. After the US smashed Japan, the Communists turned on their Chinese brothers and defeated them, capturing all of China except Taiwan. The lying politicians predicted the Communists would be defeated by Chang Kai shek, so attacking Japan wouldn't help the Communists, even though the US was fighitng the enemies of the Communists.

If we didn't fight ,likely I,would have not been born or murdered .to assume that Nazism ,anti semitusm didn't have a foot hold in,America is to ignore reality .

A few small, marginalized groups in America is nothing compared to the threat and cost of Communism.

We knew Japan would attack in,the mid 30s,in 1940,we called up,the national guard for a year to train ,the guard was so ready that it was the first to see action in both theatres.we also allowed volunteers under doolittle to hit jap targets in Japan.

We knew Germany was also bad .it was inevitable that we would get involved ,yes we aided Briton with the lend lease act .Hitler promise not attack us,yeah right ,that's why he later hit Britain .chamberlain,made a deal with Hitler and yet Hitler attacked

Japan attacked a military base in Hawaii because the ships at the base were used in blockading, to chock Japan of resources and help China. If the US had stayed out of it, there would have been no attack on Pearl Harbor. You kick a bear and then claim you knew before hand that it was going to attack? Why was a Japanese attack on the US inevitable?

The US was helping the UK fight Germany and you think it's unfair for Germany to have attacked the US? Hitler wouldn't have had a cause to rally the public around for WWII if Germany wasn't robbed in WWI.

 

[jasonc]

You call Chang Kai shek an ally, the USS instigated his defeat by attacking Japan.

If the US hadn't attack Japan, all of China and Taiwan likely wouldn't have been Communist. China was in a civil war with soviet-backed Communists. Japan attacked, and the two Chinese sides set aside their civil war to fight Japan. After the US smashed Japan, the Communists turned on their Chinese brothers and defeated them, capturing all of China except Taiwan. The lying politicians predicted the Communists would be defeated by Chang Kai shek, so attacking Japan wouldn't help the Communists, even though the US was fighitng the enemies of the Communists.



A few small, marginalized groups in America is nothing compared to the threat and cost of Communism.



Japan attacked a military base in Hawaii because the ships at the base were used in blockading, to chock Japan of resources and help China. If the US had stayed out of it, there would have been no attack on Pearl Harbor. You kick a bear and then claim you knew before hand that it was going to attack? Why was a Japanese attack on the US inevitable?

The US was helping the UK fight Germany and you think it's unfair for Germany to have attacked the US? Hitler wouldn't have had a cause to rally the public around for WWII if Germany wasn't robbed in WWI.

Well,as a man who,looked up,Canadian history ,Canada was my free from,the crowm until 1982 .they fought and had men,die in,ww1.since we were under your vote idea been a brittish subject we would have fought in that war anyway .

The Bahamas not freed until,the late 60s,India 47 ,Egypt about the same .

In,your argument Hitler would have won,and I wouldn't be born,as he attacked the main island.

China nor Russia at present are exactly,free communism is very much alive in Russia .

It just stopped being the Soviet kind ,Putin,kills journalism ,he has remained in power via diabolical means .

While true it might have ,

Maybe if brittain signed a peace treaty the Hitler.that a tour argument,I,wasntt,for

Sorry the kik,in,the south quite strong has had anti,Jew bend .still,dies and asks any,old black make about lynching and how cops then ignored their ploghts when the kik,had cops.

Redirect Notice

Sorry .your are arguing,antiwar and ignore and oddly,assume if we just disarmed men ,people wouldn't murder ,govts would simply become peaceful via voting .

Oddly you,are pro death penalty .the kkk history is easily found in Florida .

Those are quite anti,Jewish and have been
For a while .they hated blacks more.

Sorry those weren't a minority


If peaceful trade worked ,well,Vietnam ,China and Cuba ,because only,the u.s.embargoes Cuba ,would be freedom,loving nations .trade with China and them,,in no.

 

[jasonc]

You call Chang Kai shek an ally, the USS instigated his defeat by attacking Japan.

If the US hadn't attack Japan, all of China and Taiwan likely wouldn't have been Communist. China was in a civil war with soviet-backed Communists. Japan attacked, and the two Chinese sides set aside their civil war to fight Japan. After the US smashed Japan, the Communists turned on their Chinese brothers and defeated them, capturing all of China except Taiwan. The lying politicians predicted the Communists would be defeated by Chang Kai shek, so attacking Japan wouldn't help the Communists, even though the US was fighitng the enemies of the Communists.



A few small, marginalized groups in America is nothing compared to the threat and cost of Communism.



Japan attacked a military base in Hawaii because the ships at the base were used in blockading, to chock Japan of resources and help China. If the US had stayed out of it, there would have been no attack on Pearl Harbor. You kick a bear and then claim you knew before hand that it was going to attack? Why was a Japanese attack on the US inevitable?

The US was helping the UK fight Germany and you think it's unfair for Germany to have attacked the US? Hitler wouldn't have had a cause to rally the public around for WWII if Germany wasn't robbed in WWI.

Do,you,expect an ally,we fought with in ww1 to simply,after a treaty on which neither Churchill,or chamberlain were a party too,to,just surrender to germany.

We didn't want the harsh treaty ,Britain and France did,it was signed and not,much we could do.

Its a bit more then just that ,perhaps if the u.s. didn't have the crash of 29.which hyper inflation was in full,force by,then in Germany .perhaps if germany,didn't attack and ally with Bosnia ,this wouldn't have happened.

But who said i agree with all wars?

Learned as a soldier ya find yourself in bad decision versus worse case if you don't act .

Look,I can vote for judges,attorney general's here .no,local judge outside the federal court is appointed .all politicians .


Im,hardly anti death penalty ,but to say judges or the systen won't lie is ignoring history or how politicians drove the kill dozed man to act.

 

[jasonc]

Marvin Heemeyer - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Kill dozer,I,don't agree with his rage,but I,understand it .perhaps because I seen how the local govt acts towards citizenry ,perhaps its the perception .

I,have seen the county make things hard for simple renovations and call,armed cops to stop one such place ,also heard how the county fights one who,wants to refurbish a historic house .we are only,few to do even in the u.s. that which the state allows.

That grates me

 

[Who Me]

the US stayed out of the Civil War, there would be two countries. More the better!

How could the US stay out of a war when a separatist breakaway state attacked them?
The only way two states could have been form would have been if the North lost.

That would not have lead to peace, but to a series of wars as the North attempted to regain the South and as both clashed over the far West.


Should blatent aggression in other states be tolerated?
Japan in the 30's was expanding in China, allowed not very effectively by the Communists and the nationalists.
Should nazi Germany been opposed, is the Holocaust nothing or merely an internal matter.

It is interesting that politicians are accused of being liars because they take there country to war.
What do you call the people of a country who are prepared to permit the Holocaust to happen and to carry on trading with that nation?


The Communists are called an enemy and they are. What would you have your political leaders do about them now?

 

[Tertul]

How could the US stay out of a war when a separatist breakaway state attacked them?
The only way two states could have been form would have been if the North lost.

That would not have lead to peace, but to a series of wars as the North attempted to regain the South and as both clashed over the far West.

I agree that the South Carolina militia shouldn't have attacked Fort Sumtor. But, it was the North that turned the attack into a full scale war. The North also was given the opportunity to leave the Southern land which Fort Sumtor was part of. Militaries should leave when their host state no longer wants them there. The result was the bloodiest war in American history that accomplished nothing but increasing federal power (i.e. a permanent loss of our freedom).

(The difference between the Revolutionary war and the Civil war is that in the former, the rebel states won.)

Japan in the 30's was expanding in China, allowed not very effectively by the Communists and the nationalists.
Should nazi Germany been opposed, is the Holocaust nothing or merely an internal matter.

The lasting damage done by WWII was monstrously huge. We can only speculate what damage would have been done if the US decided to stay out of it. We can only imagine to speculate what damage would have been done if Germany had decided to stay out of it. But, it's very hard for me to imagine a worse outcome that what we got. And, I have a good imagination.

The German people knew nothing of the Holocaust. Even if they had known, the freedoms curtailed in time of war might have prevented them from doing much about it. But, I don't believe for a second that the German people, overall, would have approved. The atrocities that happen in war generally don't happen in peace time, except in Communist countries which we helped in WWII. The US involvement in WWII didn't prevent the Holocaust.

The US is headed into tyranny, given the invasion of third-world socialists. In principal, do you think it would be justified for Americans ban together and start shooting illegal immigrants in defense of our freedom?