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davidlazarus

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hallo my name is lisa im 14 and im trying to read the bible but I seem unable to understand in Matthew 1:2 it states Abraham begot Isaac and so on what has me confused it when it states Jacob begot Joseph when in Luke 3:23 it says Jesus the son of Joseph the son of Heli.

Why does it say two different men one being Heli the other being Jacob?
Please help im trying to understand but I just cant.

Thank you.
Lisa Hambly
 
That same question made me do a double take when I noticed it also. I have heard a number of explanations from in antiquity genealogies weren't neccessarily literal but used to make some kind of point and some others. I considered this one the best I have come across I hope you find it helpful.

Some have tried to answer this by saying that Luke doesn’t give Jesus’ lineage through Joseph at all, but through Mary. This is not supported by the text. Luke states that Joseph was the son of Heli, not that Mary was the daughter of Heli...

To explain that issue, one needs to know something about how ancient Jewish genealogies work. Adoption, whether of a child or an adult, was common and affected which genealogical line one was ascribed to. For example, the faithful spy Caleb was biologically the son of a non-Jew named Jephunneh (Num. 32:12), but he was adopted into the tribe of Judah and ascribed to the line of Hezron (1 Chron. 2:18).

Adoption could take place posthumously. The most striking example is what is known as the levirate marriage (from the Latin levir = brother-in-law). If a man died childless, it was the duty of his brother to marry the widow and father a son on behalf of his brother. This son then would be posthumously "adopted" by the dead man and reckoned as his son in the family genealogy.

...But what about Jesus’ foster father, Joseph? Here we have more direct information. The second-century historian Julius Africanus, a native of Israel, records information given by Christ’s remaining family in his day. According to their family genealogy, Joseph’s grandfather Matthan (mentioned in Matthew) married a woman named Estha, who bore him a son named Jacob. After Matthan died, Estha married his relative Melchi (mentioned in Luke) and bore him a son named Heli (marrying relatives was common among Jews at this time). Jacob and Heli were thus half-brothers. Heli died childless, so Jacob married his widow and fathered Joseph, who was biologically the son of Jacob but legally the son of Heli (Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 1:6:7).

There are other ways to reconcile the genealogies. The problem isn’t finding a way to reconcile them butâ€â€given the flexibility of ancient Hebrew genealogiesâ€â€finding which way is correct. More interesting is why the genealogies are different. Matthew stresses Christ as the successor of David and follows the line of kings. Luke stresses Christ as the Son of God and traces the line back to "Adam, the son of God" (Luke 3:38).

taken from http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9712chap.asp where also the full article can be read.
 
... After Matthan died, Estha married his relative Melchi (mentioned in Luke) and bore him a son named Heli (marrying relatives was common among Jews at this time). Jacob and Heli were thus half-brothers. Heli died childless, so Jacob married his widow and fathered Joseph, who was biologically the son of Jacob but legally the son of Heli (Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 1:6:7).
That is what I was taught... and believe. It is called a Kinsman Redeemer:

KINSMAN

Usually refers to a blood relative based on Israel's tribal nature. The most important relationship was that of the father to the oldest son.

Certain obligations were laid on the kinsman. In the case of an untimely death of a husband without a son, the law of levirate marriage becomes operativeâ€â€that is, the husband's brother was obligated to raise up a male descendant for his deceased brother and thus perpetuate the deceased's name and inheritance. The living brother was the dead brother's goelâ€â€his redeemer (Genesis 38:8; Deuteronomy 25:5-10; Ruth 3:9-12). See Levirate Law.

More here:

http://www.studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T3653
 
OK....

This is a 14-year-old kid asking a question here folks. Let's keep it to the point.

Matthew's genealogy is that of Jesus' father Joseph. Luke's genealogy is that of His mother Mary.

Luke's genealogy does not say that Heli was Joseph's father. Let's read that verse and understand why....

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli


What does this KJV mean? Notice that the mention of Joseph has parenthesis there.

I'll paraphrase it so that anyone can understand it:

Jesus was (as was supposed the son of Joseph), but Jesus was the son of Heli.

In other words, Heli was Jesus' grandfather and his mother Mary was left out of the genealogy.
The underlined word "which" after Joseph in the above verse is referring to Jesus, not Joseph.

The next question I think a 14-year-old may ask is why is Jesus called Heli's son instead of grandson? The reason is cultural differences. In the Jew's way of thinking, a grandson, a great-grandson and so forth was still a "son" and the grandfathers were simply the "father".

This is why Jesus is often called the "son of David" even though King David was Jesus' great, great, great.....grandfather.

Hope this helps.
 
This is a 14-year-old kid asking a question here folks. Let's keep it to the point.

Tim, the following explanation already given is to the point:

... After Matthan died, Estha married his relative Melchi (mentioned in Luke) and bore him a son named Heli (marrying relatives was common among Jews at this time). Jacob and Heli were thus half-brothers. Heli died childless, so Jacob married his widow and fathered Joseph, who was biologically the son of Jacob but legally the son of Heli (Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 1:6:7).

If Lisa has difficulty understanding this, a geneology chart could be drawn to explain it.

Throughout most of my life, I have heard your theory about Luke's geneology being that of Jesus' mother, but it never made any sense to me. I can't swallow the view that the Jews would call Jesus Heli's son, if He were in fact his grandson.

When I first encountered Eusebius' explanation, I was thrilled. I was completely satisfied that this was the true explanation of the two different geneologies of Jesus.
 
Hello Lisa~

These guys are so knowledgable sometimes I get a mixed up trying to read their posts back and forth too, and I'm a 55 year old grandmother! :crazyeyes:

The important thing in reading the bible new or old testiment is to find out what it says about Jesus. :smt049 Jesus said the in volume of the book (the bible) is written about Me. So Luke and Matthew both write about Jesus' life. They both give a different view to us of Jesus ancesters (geneology).

Matthew starts by saying; "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." The author is Matthew (also known as Levi), who was a former tax collector before he followed Jesus as a disciple. The theme of the gospel of Matthew is Jesus as King and Messiah.

This genealogy establishes Jesus’ claim to the throne of David through his adoptive father Joseph. This is not His blood lineage through Mary, but His legal lineage through Joseph. The Gospel of Luke provides Jesus’ blood lineage through Mary.

Jesus' actual father is God. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. John 1:14 "And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." :smt038 Yes? bonnie
 
If Lisa has difficulty understanding this, a geneology chart could be drawn to explain it.

Throughout most of my life, I have heard your theory about Luke's geneology being that of Jesus' mother, but it never made any sense to me. I can't swallow the view that the Jews would call Jesus Heli's son, if He were in fact his grandson.

When I first encountered Eusebius' explanation, I was thrilled. I was completely satisfied that this was the true explanation of the two different geneologies of Jesus.

Nice explanation that Julius Africanus seems to give except for one thing. If only Joseph's genealogies were listed, but Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, then what about the human "half" of him from Mary? Where did he then come from? Where would be the proof that he was the blood son of David? In that case, Mary could have been Canaanite for all we know and Jesus' blood father could be just about anyone. Jesus had to be a blood son of King David and a Canaanite woman marrying a legal father only (Joseph) would not have made Jesus a blood son of King David.

If both genealogies are Joseph's then what's the point of two? However, the book of Matthew portrays Jesus as King. Therefore a King needs a genealogy thru Joseph. The gospel of Luke portrays Jesus as the perfect man, and a man has a bloodline. Therefore, the genealogy thru Mary makes every bit of sense because Mary is the only vital link that Jesus has to humanity genealogically speaking.
 
Ok, Tim got me thinking. So, I did a bit more digging. I often rely on Adam Clarke commentaries for historical references. 8-)

Here's a question and the answer should satisfy the question of who's genealogy is being traced.

Is Joseph the son or son-in-law of Heli?

The answer can be found here:

http://www.godrules.net/library/clarke/clarkeluk3.htm

Happy reading. 8-)


Tim, this is the second time you caused me to rethink a position. :-D
 
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