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Good detail.

It is very detailed and well done. It has everything I would need to know if I was looking for a church in your area. From service times, location, statement of faith, and even a salvation message. I would consider visiting your church if I lived out there.

:popcorn: I give it two thumbs up.

God blesss and take care.
 
Get rid of the Java, quick!!! Never, ever, under any circumstances should you put more than one java applet on a single page. It bogs down any computer slower than 750mHz, and isn't really necessary.

Also, why make the visitor click to enter the site? Just let us go straight there.

The overall look is nice. Good layout, although you have way too much important stuff below the initial visible part of the main page. I'd suggest try to shorten that page, so the stuff at the bottom isn't over looked.

(14 kids, way to go Gail Stoker!!)

The overall effect of the first page was to made me like your church and want to visit. If that was your goal, then you succeeded.

I've been working on a script, initially for my church, but I thought it might be something other churches could use, for individual Sunday School class pages. The rough version can be found at http://www.firstbaptistclaremore.org/fb ... group=ad31. My intentions were for the teacher and the director to have a section they could edit and update each week, but I can never get them to do it. It works this way: there are four elements on the page, three fully editable and the calendar. Registered users identified as admins for that group can edit any of those elements, as well as add, modify or delete calendar events. Right now I have to manually change someone to admin status, and there's only the one layout. My plan was to eventually make it so people could be given access to individual elements as the main group admin saw fit. The elements can be edited via an online WYSIWYG editor identical to the one found at the bottom of my message board at http://www.JackLewis.net/messageboard/

Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of another big project, and can't finish this one right now. When it's done, I'd like to offer the script for free to churches who need it, but that may be a while.
 
Good suggestion about the java script with the service/event schedule...I took it out and replaced it with a couple of html text boxes, which load instantly. The menu is java but it's very efficient (3k) and the Bible verse applet doesn't take much memory at all either.

The real memory hog, unfortunately, on that page is the beautiful animated Bible (45k) but it's very popular with our congregation and really seems to 'work' creatively so removing it (or making it much smaller) isn't really much of an option. I've scrubbed the net for a smaller-memory Bible that looks as good but haven't found anything--maybe it's meant to be :D

One of the church staff member has provided me with a ton of great images from recent events--I may have to build a 'photo album' section so people (visitors and members alike) can see Christians having a good time, playing and at worship together...

That's what I love about web design--constantly pushing the limits creatively, but there's a trade-off--knowing every image, applet, etc. adds to the loading time too
 
Actually, part of the problem with the menu is that it jumps so much. You put the arrow there, and suddenly it's expanded the menu and you have to go looking for what you had originally wanted, but when you try to move the arrow there, the menu jumps again. It's really annoying. Is there not an option to make the menu elements popup like other expandable menus? There are plenty of JavaScript menus that do that, and don't take as much CPU resources.
 
if anyone knows of a free drop-down menu that doesn't display the designer's name and doesn't jump so much and fits into the context of our site creatively and doesn't take up much memory and works on all platform (including Mac--not a big fan, sorry--applets and HMTL are often incompatible), I'm all ears...
 
Lakesider said:
if anyone knows of a free drop-down menu that doesn't display the designer's name and doesn't jump so much and fits into the context of our site creatively and doesn't take up much memory and works on all platform (including Mac--not a big fan, sorry--applets and HMTL are often incompatible), I'm all ears...
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Try this code:
Code: 
<script>
function toggle(item){
if(item.style.display=='none'){item.style.display='';}
else{item.style.display='none';}
}
</script>


<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
  <tr>
    <td onclick="toggle(menu1)"><span style="cursor:hand">Item 1</span>
      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" id="menu1" style="display:none">
        <tr>
          <td></td>
          <td>Item 1.1</td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td></td>
          <td>Item 1.2</td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td></td>
          <td>Item 1.3</td>
        </tr>
      </table>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td style="cursor:hand" onclick="toggle(menu2)"><span style="cursor:hand">Item 2</span>
      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" id="menu2" style="display:none">
        <tr>
          <td></td>
          <td>Item 2.1</td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td></td>
          <td>Item 2.2</td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td></td>
          <td>Item 2.3</td>
        </tr>
      </table>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td style="cursor:hand" onclick="toggle(menu3)"><span style="cursor:hand">Item 3</span>
      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" id="menu3" style="display:none">
        <tr>
          <td></td>
          <td>Item 3.1</td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td></td>
          <td>Item 3.2</td>
        </tr>
        <tr>
          <td></td>
          <td>Item 3.3</td>
        </tr>
      </table>
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>

For a working version you can go to http://www.jacklewis.net/simplemenu.htm . It uses javascript and css. It doesn't work on Netscape, but then Netscape is less than 5% of internet users according to thecounter.com. You'll have to check it out on mac, but since it uses standard IE coding, it should be fine. You could always redirect Netscape users to a different page that uses the java applet, while allowing the IE users the use of this one, which loads extremely quickly, and works beautifully. I wrote it, so there's no need to add any credit to it if you use it.
 
oops, I made an eror in the script. The onclick="toggle(menu#)" is in the <td> tag, and it should be over in the <span> tag. As it is now when you click on any of the sub items (item1.1, etc.) it closes the menu.

I corrected it in the online sample.
 
Wish I had seen that one earlier...

but since I visited this forum last time I found one that is done with a script and dynamic html I think. Not an applet and it seems to load fairly quickly.

It's now on our site...see what you think. It's not nearly as hard to control as the previous one I was using, and seems to work on Explorer and Netscape, even on Mac.

http://www.fblakeside.org/news.html
 
Lakesider said:
Wish I had seen that one earlier...

but since I visited this forum last time I found one that is done with a script and dynamic html I think. Not an applet and it seems to load fairly quickly.

It's now on our site...see what you think. It's not nearly as hard to control as the previous one I was using, and seems to work on Explorer and Netscape, even on Mac.

http://www.fblakeside.org/news.html
Click to expand...
Nice. It loads slower than mine, but then it also pops up over the page rather than adding stuff to the page. The overlay affect is nice. I could probably put it in mine, but I wrote it quick for a project, and just needed a collapsable menu.
 
great site! all the info people need to know about your site! keep up the good work!
 
I like on the index page how the text is 2-colored. I like the logo on the news page. Great site! :)
 
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