Praise the Lord!

[elijah23]

If we obey the teachings of Jesus, our problems will all disappear.

Praise the Lord!

 

[glorydaz]

If we obey the teachings of Jesus, our problems will all disappear.

Praise the Lord!

Really? Then how would we ever grow and be refined into pure gold?

We're to count it all joy when we fall into divers temptations...

My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

What of the fellowship of His suffering?

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

We learn from the "bread of adversity, and the water of affliction".

For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem: thou shalt weep no more: he will be very gracious unto thee at the voice of thy cry; when he shall hear it, he will answer thee. And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers: And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

 

[elijah23]

Really? Then how would we ever grow and be refined into pure gold?

In the late eighties my life was becoming quite miserable. The Lord planted the idea in my head that if I repented of certain sins I was committing, the pain would go away. I took his advice and the pain went away.

 

[elijah23]

What of the fellowship of His suffering?

We suffer, I believe, because we have not yet repented of all our sin.

 

[glorydaz]

What of the fellowship of His suffering?

We suffer, I believe, because we have not yet repented of all our sin.

Really? I don't see it that way. Look at all the suffering Paul went through, and many other saints down through history. And, of course, all throughout the Word we see the righteous suffering persecution. Jesus was without sin and suffered more than anyone.

We know the world hates us.

When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble. Have mercy upon me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, thou that liftest me up from the gates of death: That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the daughter of Zion: I will rejoice in thy salvation.

He we see those who walk Godly will suffer persecution.

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Speaking of Paul...

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.

Here, a man of good conscience...suffering wrongfully.

For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

 

[glorydaz]

Really? Then how would we ever grow and be refined into pure gold?

In the late eighties my life was becoming quite miserable. The Lord planted the idea in my head that if I repented of certain sins I was committing, the pain would go away. I took his advice and the pain went away.

Ah yes, the chastening of the Lord can be quite painful. It's good you listened to His voice. What a blessing. But not all suffering is because we have disobeyed.

 

[elijah23]

Really? I don't see it that way. Look at all the suffering Paul went through, and many other saints down through history. And, of course, all throughout the Word we see the righteous suffering persecution. Jesus was without sin and suffered more than anyone.

We know the world hates us.

When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble. Have mercy upon me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, thou that liftest me up from the gates of death: That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the daughter of Zion: I will rejoice in thy salvation.

He we see those who walk Godly will suffer persecution.
[quote="2 Timothy 3:12":1olw6lgi] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Speaking of Paul...

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.

Here, a man of good conscience...suffering wrongfully.

For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

[/quote:1olw6lgi]Paul had done a great amount of evil in his life. I think we all have, even the most righteous.

I am a Christian and hide the fact from no one, yet nobody persecutes me. Just the opposite; I have been treated with great kindness outside my church.

 

[glorydaz]

Really? I don't see it that way. Look at all the suffering Paul went through, and many other saints down through history. And, of course, all throughout the Word we see the righteous suffering persecution. Jesus was without sin and suffered more than anyone.

We know the world hates us.

When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble. Have mercy upon me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, thou that liftest me up from the gates of death: That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the daughter of Zion: I will rejoice in thy salvation.

He we see those who walk Godly will suffer persecution.
[quote="2 Timothy 3:12":1wkzswol] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Speaking of Paul...
[quote="Acts 9:15-16":1wkzswol] But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.

Here, a man of good conscience...suffering wrongfully.

For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

[/quote:1wkzswol]

Paul had done a great amount of evil in his life. I think we all have, even the most righteous.

I am a Christian and hide the fact from no one, yet nobody persecutes me. Just the opposite; I have been treated with great kindness outside my church.[/quote:1wkzswol]
Paul had repented and his sins were covered by the blood. He was washed clean as all believers are.
Those past acts of evil were certainly not the reason for Paul being beaten and imprisoned. He was persecuted because He was preaching the Word, and the world doesn't like it when light is shined on their darkness.

It's nice that you have been treated with kindness, but that is not the norm for those who stand against sin...not partaking of the things of the world. You've never been scoffed at or ridiculed for being a "goody-goody" and not joining in when they do things you don't think are right? You might want to prepare for that as the end draws near. It will get worse, and in many places it's bad already.

 

[elijah23]

It's nice that you have been treated with kindness, but that is not the norm for those who stand against sin...not partaking of the things of the world. You've never been scoffed at or ridiculed for being a "goody-goody" and not joining in when they do things you don't think are right? You might want to prepare for that as the end draws near. It will get worse, and in many places it's bad already.

It might depend on how you define the word “world.†Who was it that caused trouble for Jesus? It was the religious leaders, wasn’t it? It is in my church where I experience the most pain, I think. (The church also provides me with a great deal of satisfaction.)

 

[glorydaz]

It's nice that you have been treated with kindness, but that is not the norm for those who stand against sin...not partaking of the things of the world. You've never been scoffed at or ridiculed for being a "goody-goody" and not joining in when they do things you don't think are right? You might want to prepare for that as the end draws near. It will get worse, and in many places it's bad already.

It might depend on how you define the word “world.†Who was it that caused trouble for Jesus? It was the religious leaders, wasn’t it? It is in my church where I experience the most pain, I think. (The church also provides me with a great deal of satisfaction.)

Yes, it would depend on which "world" I was talking about. I was using it in the sense that satan is the god of this world...world system I would think, and then the pharisees would, indeed, be a part of the world with the spirit of the world rather than the spirit of God.

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

 

[elijah23]

Yes, it would depend on which "world" I was talking about. I was using it in the sense that satan is the god of this world...world system I would think, and then the pharisees would, indeed, be a part of the world with the spirit of the world rather than the spirit of God.

Yes.