Prophecy about DNA: Good and Evil Seed

[Angela888]

This post needs to be in line with copyright laws...reba

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Thank You sister for writing and sharing this with us all. I have been getting persecuted and accuises of heresy and so forth for speaking that we have God's DNA in our spirit man. I have tried using the word and yet I am lectured.
Hmm guess our enemy does not what people to get a hold of this.....
Have a wonderful blessed 2015
Jim

 

[eddif]

IMHO
DNA is a plan for human development. Adam had DNA before the Spirit was breathed into him.

Solomon built a temple with planning, but the glory came in later.

DNA is a shadow of physical things to come. (Written with chemical words).

The word of God defines the spiritual new man.
Revelation 3:20
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

We are fearfully and wonderfully made , but the Spirit must move in.

First the physical then the spiritual.
We must be born again.

eddif

 

[Edward]

I watched a vid last night but forget who it was, anyway, he was saying that a single piece of DNA has enough storage capacity on it that all of the information that exists in the entire world could be put on it. So that genetic traits and things that are theorized to 'be passed down to the children...could be and probably are very much true.

He went on to say that, at the moment of conception, everything is transferred from their family line to them, and everything about both parents are also, even down to the very mood that they are in at the moment, and that generational curses and so forth can be absolutely true also.

I say can be because they can be dealt with and nullified through the blood of Christ. He explained that, when the Lord spoke of a regeneration and renewing for us after we are born again, that He was not speaking figuratively in the least. That it affects us down to our very DNA. It begins here in our earthly (born again) walk with Him and everything affects it, whether good or evil. The words that we speak and even the thoughts that we think affect our DNA. Personally, I suspect that the final change for us will be the 'twinkling of an eye' change when He returns.

We shall share the very DNA of Jesus Christ.

Supposedly the mark of the beast will also change ones DNA. That's why taking the mark makes one ineligible for redemption. I haven't heard some of this stuff before but I found it quite interesting and even plausible. ...renewing, regeneration, Christ in us and we are in Christ...it does make sense.

What we do in the physical directly affects our spirit man.

 

[th1b.taylor]

eddif, Angel888 and Jim,
God has given His children a book (scripts) for them to know Him.
The word of God is several things, at least. The Word iks in fact "The Word of my God, it is the road map to salvation, it is the road map to the Narrow Gate along the Narrow Path and it is our guide to living a god-like life for God, additionally it is many things!

Paul sat at the foot of Jesus for three years in Asia Minor (Gal. 1) and Paul taught us as Jesus taught him. In Acts 17 we find our brother, Paul, teaching us the Bereans were more noble becuse they both received the Word with enthusiasm and they test the word of Paul against the Scriptures, the Jewish Bible, a.k.a. the Old Testament of any version of the Christian Bible.

This message can not be found in the Bible Jesus/Ǵod taught from. Jesus never indicated that the Bible is, in the first century, incomplete and every one of His Disciples, also, taught from the Jewish Bible! Most of the New Testament is the letters of Paul explaining what e had taught from the Bible, the Old Testament. None of this DNA stuff checks against the Bible nor does it test positive against the only God Ordained, God inspired Life Application Commentary on the Bible, the New testament!

That leaves all of this to be of no use to the Followers of Jesus. to include this into equal value with the scriptures, New or Old Testament, is heretical. As I demonstrated with the link to about a hundred passages where God has told us to never add to His word.

I do not seek to offend, I want to see all of you at the table. May God bless all of you with His wisdom.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I watched a vid last night but forget who it was, anyway, he was saying that a single piece of DNA has enough storage capacity on it that all of the information that exists in the entire world could be put on it. So that genetic traits and things that are theorized to 'be passed down to the children...could be and probably are very much true.

He went on to say that, at the moment of conception, everything is transferred from their family line to them, and everything about both parents are also, even down to the very mood that they are in at the moment, and that generational curses and so forth can be absolutely true also.

I say can be because they can be dealt with and nullified through the blood of Christ. He explained that, when the Lord spoke of a regeneration and renewing for us after we are born again, that He was not speaking figuratively in the least. That it affects us down to our very DNA. It begins here in our earthly (born again) walk with Him and everything affects it, whether good or evil. The words that we speak and even the thoughts that we think affect our DNA. Personally, I suspect that the final change for us will be the 'twinkling of an eye' change when He returns.

We shall share the very DNA of Jesus Christ.

Supposedly the mark of the beast will also change ones DNA. That's why taking the mark makes one ineligible for redemption. I haven't heard some of this stuff before but I found it quite interesting and even plausible. ...renewing, regeneration, Christ in us and we are in Christ...it does make sense.

What we do in the physical directly affects our spirit man.

Brother, can you, like the Bereans, verify this for us with scripture?
without scriptural verification it is not of God.

 

[Edward]

Brother, can you, like the Bereans, verify this for us with scripture?
without scriptural verification it is not of God.

I can try. Now I don't know this stuff to be fact, just that it was interesting and plausible. I just watched the vid last night and haven't yet looked to see if there are scriptures that may be relevant. But I will now, lol!

Good question brother.

I'll be back...

 

[Deborah13]

Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

2Ch 25:3 Now it came to pass, when the kingdom was established to him, that he slew his servants that had killed the king his father.
2Ch 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.

God tells Israel, not all the people on the earth, that He is a jealous God. He tells them that they must not bow down to other gods. So the curse was only on those who were Israelites who turned to other gods. And it had nothing to do with genetics at all, it had everything to do with their turning to other gods after they knew Him as their God.
This idolatry got the whole nation of Israel into all kinds of trouble when enough of them did this. Solomon got into trouble because of this. The 10 tribes of Israel, in the north were dispersed into other lands because of this.

So if you are worried that you might be cursed in this way, first did your parents know God as their God and then turn away into idolatry worshiping other gods?

To collect DNA there must be a physical body. Just walk into a doctor's office or genetics lab and tell them you want them to collect DNA from our soul/spirit. 2
You have the Spirit of God living in you, God is spirit. You don't have Christ body living in you.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

2Ch 25:3 Now it came to pass, when the kingdom was established to him, that he slew his servants that had killed the king his father.
2Ch 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.

God tells Israel, not all the people on the earth, that He is a jealous God. He tells them that they must not bow down to other gods. So the curse was only on those who were Israelites who turned to other gods. And it had nothing to do with genetics at all, it had everything to do with their turning to other gods after they knew Him as their God.
This idolatry got the whole nation of Israel into all kinds of trouble when enough of them did this. Solomon got into trouble because of this. The 10 tribes of Israel, in the north were dispersed into other lands because of this.

So if you are worried that you might be cursed in this way, first did your parents know God as their God and then turn away into idolatry worshiping other gods?

To collect DNA there must be a physical body. Just walk into a doctor's office or genetics lab and tell them you want them to collect DNA from our soul/spirit. 2
You have the Spirit of God living in you, God is spirit. You don't have Christ body living in you.

Preach it, youngster! AMEN!

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

To collect DNA there must be a physical body. Just walk into a doctor's office or genetics lab and tell them you want them to collect DNA from our soul/spirit. 2
You have the Spirit of God living in you, God is spirit. You don't have Christ body living in you.

Deborah Hi,
Can a doctor touch your spirit or the spirit of God in you ?
Ok we both know that is a No! Agreed?
You are thinking with human knowledge (not a put down) Please give me a chance

Seems people are thinking in the natural realm when decerning this. The idea of dna is what is directing the thinking to this. Now what is the spirit of God ? Is it made up of anything ? Do you think that perhaps God can see His spirit in you ? I mean how does He know if we have a born again spirit of God? If He places it in us then it must be made up of something correct.....so could it not be a spiritual dna?
I am not pushing this, I am asking a question.......

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Greetings Brother Bill Taylor,
I hope your day is going well and you are having a good day !! I understand where you are coming from and I politly thank you. You said.....((I do not seek to offend, I want to see all of you at the table. May God bless all of you with His wisdom.}} and I say....Me either brother I donot seek to offend you and I will be there and looking forward to seeing you there as well.
Be strong in the Lord Brother
Jim

 

[th1b.taylor]

Greetings Brother Bill Taylor,
I hope your day is going well and you are having a good day !! I understand where you are coming from and I politly thank you. You said.....((I do not seek to offend, I want to see all of you at the table. May God bless all of you with His wisdom.}} and I say....Me either brother I donot seek to offend you and I will be there and looking forward to seeing you there as well.
Be strong in the Lord Brother
Jim

I pray it is so Jim. I firmly believe in the principal taught in scripture of Iron sharpening Iron.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

I pray it is so Jim. I firmly believe in the principal taught in scripture of Iron sharpening Iron.

Thanks Bill and I also beleive this to be true as well.
Oh I was praying about things and I truly believe the Lord showed me a few things today.
I was praying about the confusion and misunder stood post that seem to happen through out this forum.
I was shown how it becomes hard to read each other through type for it is not like to brothers standing together talking and if one says something to the other and it begins to be taken in a wrong direction, well you can simply see it right then and there and say hey bro, thats not what I was trying to say and try again....

In here and other forums one can not really do this, I mean sure you can use replies and all but He showed me something that happens with that.....It's called time....It can be just a few minutes or an hour or 12 hours or a day before one reads and replies.....Time has a way of distorting the content or how it was spoken some times and I think every one simply needs to take a step back and think.

He showed me that praying and forgiving everyone before even going into a forum would would set your heart unto a loving and forgiving state and thus being able to say I already frogave this and move forward and try to explain what was ment etc. That is simply what I am doing from there on in.

I mean I see where one person feels as if another was mad or saying something out of line and for the most part that was not even the intent at all. I pray that more members would try and realise this and maybe we might just have fewer misunderstanding and hurt feelings......If one is easily offended then a forum may not be a fun place for them. Face it brother there are some people who major on being offended....

Any way I just wanted to share this with you and I hope we can continue to share things into the future,
Bless You Brother
Jim

 

[Deborah13]

Deborah Hi,
Can a doctor touch your spirit or the spirit of God in you ?
Ok we both know that is a No! Agreed?
You are thinking with human knowledge (not a put down) Please give me a chance

Seems people are thinking in the natural realm when decerning this. The idea of dna is what is directing the thinking to this. Now what is the spirit of God ? Is it made up of anything ? Do you think that perhaps God can see His spirit in you ? I mean how does He know if we have a born again spirit of God? If He places it in us then it must be made up of something correct.....so could it not be a spiritual dna?
I am not pushing this, I am asking a question.......

I believe that if there is what you are calling spiritual DNA that only the Only begotten Son of the Father, the Messiah Jesus, would have this DNA. Surely we are God's children by the adoption but we are not the same as He is.
Surely we have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us but He is a separate perfect being.
Here's an example of what that might look like in the physical realm. A surrogate mother carries a child in her womb from the time it is a 5 day old embryo until the child is born. The child dwells in her but shares no DNA with her. They are separate human beings, each with their own spirit.

 

[Cturtle]

I can try. Now I don't know this stuff to be fact, just that it was interesting and plausible. I just watched the vid last night and haven't yet looked to see if there are scriptures that may be relevant. But I will now, lol!

Good question brother.

I'll be back...

Is this video available on youtube? Or via the internet?

 

[Edward]

The immediate question comes to mind, does the bible speak of DNA? It might and I suspect will be subject to interpretation depending on how clear the Concordance is. I know that has come up before, the verses about Noah being perfect in his generations...is it speaking of DNA or bloodline etc. Some believe it does and I do include myself in that belief. It is written that the messiah would come from a pure bloodline. So there's that.

Here it is in KJV;

Genesis 6:9
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God./

and the NKJV;

9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth./(NKJV)

I hadn't seen the NKJV translation before where they actually use the term geneology which would support the DNA angle. Nevertheless, it is a translation solet's see what the Strongs says.

Generations (From Genesis 6:9)
H8435
תּלדה תּולדה
tôledâh tôledâh
to-led-aw', to-led-aw'
From H3205; (plural only) descent, that is, family; (figuratively) history: - birth, generations./(E-Sword)

H3205
ילד
yâlad
yaw-lad'
A primitive root; to bear young; causatively to beget; medically to act as midwife; specifically to show lineage: - bear, beget, birth ([-day]), born, (make to) bring forth (children, young), bring up, calve, child, come, be delivered (of a child), time of delivery, gender, hatch, labour, (do the office of a) midwife, declare pedigrees, be the son of, (woman in, woman that) travail (-eth, -ing woman)./(E-Sword)

Interesting. These definitions would seem to indicate DNA (pedigree) rather than perfect in his generations as meaning perfect in his walk with God which is usually the debating point of this verse and it's meaning. I found another verse also but will post it in another post for brevity of posts.

 

[Edward]

Now this other verse must be picked apart too for a word study to be able to consider if it could be talking about DNA.

Psalm 139:16
Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were written,
The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them./(KJV)

Wow. Now there's a verse which is guaranteed to give a translator a headache, lol. Perhaps this is one of those verses which couldn't be understood back then, but needed additional knowledge (from a future generation?) to be able to understand it. I'll take a crack at it.

Substance comes from the Hebrew word “golem” and means a fetus or embryo. The instructions for the development of the fetus or embryo is determined by the information in the scroll?

H1564
גּלם
gôlem
go'-lem
From H1563; a wrapped (and unformed mass, that is, as the embryo): - substance yet being unperfect./(E-Sword)

In your book they were all written...

They had scrolls back then. Do not picture a book like we have today, the word is scroll.

Next, let's consider, all were written...all (my members?) were written... It comes from one word, “kathab”, and means information that prescribes or directs. That is, the various parts of the body are all prescribed in this scroll. (?)

H3789
כּתב
kâthab
kaw-thab'
A primitive root; to grave; by implication to write (describe, inscribe, prescribe, subscribe): - describe, record, prescribe, subscribe, write (-ing, -ten)./(E-Sword)

"Fashioned" comes from “yatsar” and means something that comes into form according to a predetermined plan.

H3335
יצר
yâtsar
yaw-tsar'
probably identical with H3334 (through the squeezing into shape); (compare H3331); to mould into a form; especially as a potter; figuratively to determine (that is, form a resolution): - X earthen, fashion, form, frame, make (-r), potter, purpose./(E-Sword)

Finally, "in continuance" comes from one Hebrew word: “yowm” and means a specific or special period of time. That is the development of the embryo or body over time ,in its proper sequence, is also recorded in this scroll.

So the translation could read:

"God has a scroll with prescribed instructions that determine the development of my body, with all it's members, in their proper sequence, from the embryonic stage until maturity."


Sure sounds like DNA to me. Keep in mind that I am not declaring this to be truth, I am searching for the truth and came across this info and am seeing if it could fit, if it could be true. I think it could be.

How's that brother? What'd I miss, anything? I'ma gonna keep reading about this today, no work yet so I have some time.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Now this other verse must be picked apart too for a word study to be able to consider if it could be talking about DNA.

Psalm 139:16
Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were written,
The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them./(KJV)

Wow. Now there's a verse which is guaranteed to give a translator a headache, lol. Perhaps this is one of those verses which couldn't be understood back then, but needed additional knowledge (from a future generation?) to be able to understand it. I'll take a crack at it.

Substance comes from the Hebrew word “golem” and means a fetus or embryo. The instructions for the development of the fetus or embryo is determined by the information in the scroll?

H1564
גּלם
gôlem
go'-lem
From H1563; a wrapped (and unformed mass, that is, as the embryo): - substance yet being unperfect./(E-Sword)

In your book they were all written...

They had scrolls back then. Do not picture a book like we have today, the word is scroll.

Next, let's consider, all were written...all (my members?) were written... It comes from one word, “kathab”, and means information that prescribes or directs. That is, the various parts of the body are all prescribed in this scroll. (?)

H3789
כּתב
kâthab
kaw-thab'
A primitive root; to grave; by implication to write (describe, inscribe, prescribe, subscribe): - describe, record, prescribe, subscribe, write (-ing, -ten)./(E-Sword)

"Fashioned" comes from “yatsar” and means something that comes into form according to a predetermined plan.

H3335
יצר
yâtsar
yaw-tsar'
probably identical with H3334 (through the squeezing into shape); (compare H3331); to mould into a form; especially as a potter; figuratively to determine (that is, form a resolution): - X earthen, fashion, form, frame, make (-r), potter, purpose./(E-Sword)

Finally, "in continuance" comes from one Hebrew word: “yowm” and means a specific or special period of time. That is the development of the embryo or body over time ,in its proper sequence, is also recorded in this scroll.

So the translation could read:

"God has a scroll with prescribed instructions that determine the development of my body, with all it's members, in their proper sequence, from the embryonic stage until maturity."


Sure sounds like DNA to me. Keep in mind that I am not declaring this to be truth, I am searching for the truth and came across this info and am seeing if it could fit, if it could be true. I think it could be.

How's that brother? What'd I miss, anything? I'ma gonna keep reading about this today, no work yet so I have some time.

This all very good studying as long as we remember that God is not a created being but has always been and there lies the rock we stub our bare-footed toes on. All of these things apply to the created.

 

[Deborah13]

The immediate question comes to mind, does the bible speak of DNA? It might and I suspect will be subject to interpretation depending on how clear the Concordance is. I know that has come up before, the verses about Noah being perfect in his generations...is it speaking of DNA or bloodline etc. Some believe it does and I do include myself in that belief. It is written that the messiah would come from a pure bloodline. So there's that.

Here it is in KJV;

Genesis 6:9
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God./

and the NKJV;

9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth./(NKJV)

I hadn't seen the NKJV translation before where they actually use the term geneology which would support the DNA angle. Nevertheless, it is a translation solet's see what the Strongs says.

Generations (From Genesis 6:9)
H8435
תּלדה תּולדה
tôledâh tôledâh
to-led-aw', to-led-aw'
From H3205; (plural only) descent, that is, family; (figuratively) history: - birth, generations./(E-Sword)

H3205
ילד
yâlad
yaw-lad'
A primitive root; to bear young; causatively to beget; medically to act as midwife; specifically to show lineage: - bear, beget, birth ([-day]), born, (make to) bring forth (children, young), bring up, calve, child, come, be delivered (of a child), time of delivery, gender, hatch, labour, (do the office of a) midwife, declare pedigrees, be the son of, (woman in, woman that) travail (-eth, -ing woman)./(E-Sword)

Interesting. These definitions would seem to indicate DNA (pedigree) rather than perfect in his generations as meaning perfect in his walk with God which is usually the debating point of this verse and it's meaning. I found another verse also but will post it in another post for brevity of posts.

So Noah was perfect, in his family line. Noah was righteous because He walked with God. Noah walked as a righteous man of God, in his family line.
It does not say that his family line was perfect, just the he was perfect.
Perfect in what way?
H8549 = perfect
תּמים
tâmı̂ym
taw-meem'
From H8552; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun) integrity, truth: - without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely (-ity), sound, without spot, undefiled, upright (-ly), whole.

 

[Deborah13]

Now this other verse must be picked apart too for a word study to be able to consider if it could be talking about DNA.

Psalm 139:16
Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were written,
The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them./(KJV)

Genesis 6:9
Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
AND in Your book they all were written, the days fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of them.

imo
It is his days that are written in the book, those days were fashioned for him even before he had any days.

Wow. Now there's a verse which is guaranteed to give a translator a headache, lol. Perhaps this is one of those verses which couldn't be understood back then, but needed additional knowledge (from a future generation?) to be able to understand it. I'll take a crack at it.

Substance comes from the Hebrew word “golem” and means a fetus or embryo. The instructions for the development of the fetus or embryo is determined by the information in the scroll?

H1564
גּלם
gôlem
go'-lem
From H1563; a wrapped (and unformed mass, that is, as the embryo): - substance yet being unperfect./(E-Sword)

In your book they were all written...

They had scrolls back then. Do not picture a book like we have today, the word is scroll.

Next, let's consider, all were written...all (my members?) were written... It comes from one word, “kathab”, and means information that prescribes or directs. That is, the various parts of the body are all prescribed in this scroll. (?)

H3789
כּתב
kâthab
kaw-thab'
A primitive root; to grave; by implication to write (describe, inscribe, prescribe, subscribe): - describe, record, prescribe, subscribe, write (-ing, -ten)./(E-Sword)

"Fashioned" comes from “yatsar” and means something that comes into form according to a predetermined plan.

H3335
יצר
yâtsar
yaw-tsar'
probably identical with H3334 (through the squeezing into shape); (compare H3331); to mould into a form; especially as a potter; figuratively to determine (that is, form a resolution): - X earthen, fashion, form, frame, make (-r), potter, purpose./(E-Sword)

Finally, "in continuance" comes from one Hebrew word: “yowm” and means a specific or special period of time. That is the development of the embryo or body over time ,in its proper sequence, is also recorded in this scroll.

So the translation could read:

"God has a scroll with prescribed instructions that determine the development of my body, with all it's members, in their proper sequence, from the embryonic stage until maturity."


Sure sounds like DNA to me. Keep in mind that I am not declaring this to be truth, I am searching for the truth and came across this info and am seeing if it could fit, if it could be true. I think it could be.

How's that brother? What'd I miss, anything? I'ma gonna keep reading about this today, no work yet so I have some time.