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Prophet David's Psalm implies Postmortem Opportunity: You brought me up from Sheol

Alfred Persson

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You brought me up from Sheol

1 A psalm; a dedication song for the house. Davidic. I will exalt You, LORD, because You have lifted me up and have not allowed my enemies to triumph over me.
2 LORD my God, I cried to You for help, and You healed me.
3 LORD, You brought me up from Sheol; You spared me from among those going down to the Pit.
4 Sing to Yahweh, you His faithful ones, and praise His holy name.
5 For His anger lasts only a moment, but His favor, a lifetime. Weeping may spend the night, but there is joy in the morning.
6 When I was secure, I said, "I will never be shaken."
7 LORD, when You showed Your favor, You made me stand like a strong mountain; when You hid Your face, I was terrified.
8 LORD, I called to You; I sought favor from my Lord:
9 "What gain is there in my death, if I go down to the Pit? Will the dust praise You? Will it proclaim Your truth?
10 LORD, listen and be gracious to me; LORD, be my helper."
11 You turned my lament into dancing; You removed my sackcloth and clothed me with gladness,
12 so that I can sing to You and not be silent. LORD my God, I will praise You forever. (Ps. 30:1-31:1 CSB)
Postmortem opportunity is implied even though the rescue from Sheol is figurative, because it would offend God to liken His rescue to what He does not literally do for others.

To illustrate: A Benefactor saves one Addict from dying, but ignores hundreds of other dying addicts. The Addict then proclaims: "Sing to the Benefactor, praise him for saving addicts. Praise his generosity (cp. Ps. 30:4)."

The Benefactor would feel betrayed, misrepresented as the savior of addicts when he is not. He might interpret the praise as criticism for not helping others, even though the Addict is too dense to realize that. He will certainly resent the false hope foolish talk instills in others, who will believe the praise without question, as though it were "Scripture."

Therefore, the Holy Spirit would never permit the prophet David (Ps. 22:1, 8, 16-18; 51:11; Ac. 2:30) to liken God's deliverance from death to deliverance from Sheol if God never does that for others, that would be deceptive.

 
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You brought me up from Sheol


Postmortem opportunity is implied even though the rescue from Sheol is figurative, because it would offend God to liken His rescue to what He does not literally do for others.

To illustrate: A Benefactor saves one Addict from dying, but ignores hundreds of other dying addicts. The Addict then proclaims: "Sing to the Benefactor, praise him for saving addicts. Praise his generosity (cp. Ps. 30:4)."

The Benefactor would feel betrayed, misrepresented as the savior of addicts when he is not. He might interpret the praise as criticism for not helping others, even though the Addict is too dense to realize that. He will certainly resent the false hope foolish talk instills in others, who will believe the praise without question, as though it were "Scripture."

Therefore, the Holy Spirit would never permit the prophet David (Ps. 22:1, 8, 16-18; 51:11; Ac. 2:30) to liken God's deliverance from death to deliverance from Sheol if God never does that for others, that would be deceptive.

It is a presage of Jesus' resurrection.
A prophesy.
 
It is a presage of Jesus' resurrection.
A prophesy.
You are thinking of this Psalm

You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.

9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices; My flesh also will rest in hope.
10 For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
11 You will show me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore. (Ps. 16:9-11 NKJ)
There is no postmortem opportunity for repentance and resurrection in this context because prophet David isn't speaking about himself. The Holy Spirit says through Peter David knew he was prophesying about the Messiah, not himself. That Messiah would rise from the dead and be seated on His Throne at the right Hand of God:

29 "Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
30 "Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,
31 "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. (Acts 2:29-31 NKJ)

 
I will do a rewrite on this. David speaks too literally of a resurrection. Many commentators notice that. Its possible he did briefly die. Moreover, there is a difference between Sheol and Pit, the former people get resurrected. The latter was thought to be like the Abyss, lake of fire, second death from which there is no return.

So I do believe postmortem opportunity is in this context, and I will redo my reason why. A literal interpretation is preferable to a figurative.
 
You brought me up from Sheol


Postmortem opportunity is implied even though the rescue from Sheol is figurative, because it would offend God to liken His rescue to what He does not literally do for others.

To illustrate: A Benefactor saves one Addict from dying, but ignores hundreds of other dying addicts. The Addict then proclaims: "Sing to the Benefactor, praise him for saving addicts. Praise his generosity (cp. Ps. 30:4)."

The Benefactor would feel betrayed, misrepresented as the savior of addicts when he is not. He might interpret the praise as criticism for not helping others, even though the Addict is too dense to realize that. He will certainly resent the false hope foolish talk instills in others, who will believe the praise without question, as though it were "Scripture."

Therefore, the Holy Spirit would never permit the prophet David (Ps. 22:1, 8, 16-18; 51:11; Ac. 2:30) to liken God's deliverance from death to deliverance from Sheol if God never does that for others, that would be deceptive.

I’d suggest that the poetical psalmist(s) held that Yahweh had delivered them from going into sheol, not that he had raised them from it. And yet, what some call the sensus plenior, or a deeper later level, Jesus did die and was, to borrow a term from the psalms, delivered from having been in sheol (in its sense of death).

I am not denying resuscitation (raised to die again) from death in OT history, though any such were foreshadowings of resurrection (raised to never die again).

In themselves, I do not see such texts as warranting the idea of postmortem conversion. I think your point is that it seems unfair if not all human beings are given a chance, and that if that doesn’t come premortem (or at mortem), it must—God being fairness—come after mortem.

With John Sanders (No Other Name)—see also Steve Hakes’ Israel’s Gone Global—I hold that ultimate life (Level 4) is and always has been, globally accessible. I hold it to be based not on a conversion response to data input, but on heart disposition towards God, premortem predilection (the whosoever will). I hold that here and now spiritual salvation (Level 3), is exclusive to Christianity (Jhn.14:6), based on a conversion response to data input (Rm.10:13). I hold that the cross made both Levels possible.
 
I will do a rewrite on this. David speaks too literally of a resurrection. Many commentators notice that. Its possible he did briefly die. Moreover, there is a difference between Sheol and Pit, the former people get resurrected. The latter was thought to be like the Abyss, lake of fire, second death from which there is no return.

So I do believe postmortem opportunity is in this context, and I will redo my reason why. A literal interpretation is preferable to a figurative.
Did Jesus teach a second opportunity?
 
Did Jesus teach a second opportunity?
Not for the Children of the Devil, only the Children of God who weren't evangelized, or pseudo evangelized, or deceived by Satan so they failed to go to Him.

When one knows who Christ is, one is either for Him or against Him. But because He is the Son of Man, His Deity veiled by human flesh, if a person is ignorant and opposes God in ignorance (Like Saul), they will be forgiven in the age to come.

"Therefore" = Jesus' reason why there is an exception to being either for Him or against Him. If you really know who Jesus is, then you are liable to join Him or suffer eternal death. There is no middle Ground. There is no second chance if the person who knows Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God....

"Therefore" its knowing who Jesus is that determines if one is punished or forgiven in this age or age to come:

If they speak against the "Son of Man" (=thinking Jesus is only a man), they will be forigiven:

30 "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
32 "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. (Matt. 12:30-32 NKJ)

Same principle applies with Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit did works ONLY God could do through Jesus, raising the dead etc...

"Therefore", all who know that He is God the Holy Spirit and still blaspheme Him, there is no forgiveness, not in this age or the age to come.

Context implies there is a "higher bar" against receiving forgiveness for any blasphemy of the Spirit. Christ did not tell the Pharisees it was too late. What follows is His warning don't do it again. So their ignorance was a factor in not punishing them immediately, BUT:

Punishment by Gehenna Fire is more likely for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit isn't veiled by human flesh. His identity is easier to discern, to know.
 
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Did Jesus teach a second opportunity?
Yes, and its inaccurate to say the children of the Devil are not fairly treated. All are given an opportunity to believe the gospel IF they didn't already reject it in this life. Otherwise God could be accused of predestining people to damnation. But, the children of the devil won't accept Christ even in hell, they are children of the devil:

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice (ἀκούσονται τῆς φωνῆς),
29 And shall come forth; they that have done (ποιήσαντες aorist participle) good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done (πράξαντες aorist participle) evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (Jn. 5:21-29 KJV)

All who didn't knowingly reject Christ in this life, will hear about Him in hell and be given a chance.

Children of the devil won't be able to fake repentance in hell, like they could when alive. Stripped of its body, the soul is what it is.
 
You have brought up my soul from Sheol

2 O LORD my God, I cried to you for help, and you have healed me.
3 O LORD, you have brought up my soul from Sheol (07585 שְׁאוֹל she'owl); you restored me to life (02421 חָיַה chayah) from among those who go down to the pit (0953 בּוֹר bowr).
4 Sing praises to the LORD, O you his saints, and give thanks to his holy name. (Ps. 30:3-4 ESV)

David writes he experienced postmortem opportunity literally. God brought his soul up from Sheol after he cried for help, and he was "healed". Restored to life "חִיָּה … always means to restore to life that which has apparently or really succumbed to death."-Keil, C. F., & Delitzsch, F. (1996). Commentary on the Old Testament (Vol. 5, p. 240). Hendrickson.

Ancient interpreters would not miss the "particularization" in the synonymous parallelism "Sheol" and "pit". The "pit" is where those without hope go (Is. 38:18; Ez. 26:20; 31:14, 16; 32:18, 24, 29-32; Ps. 28:1 30:4; 88:5; 143:7).

"Said R. Joshua b. Levi, 'Gehenna has seven names and these are they: Netherworld, destruction, pit, [Slotki:] tumultuous pit, miry clay, shadow of death, and underworld'."-Erubin 19a, Neusner, J. (2011). The Babylonian Talmud: A Translation and Commentary (Vol. 3, p. 94). Hendrickson Publishers.

Another reason David's deliverance from Sheol likely not figurative, David is a prophet (Ac. 2:29-30) inspired by the Holy Spirit of Truth. Describing his soul's deliverance from Sheol so literally would cause many to conclude postmortem opportunity exists. In the Days of Christ the two major theological schools of Shammai and Hillel believe in postmortem opportunity.

 
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David writes he experienced postmortem opportunity literally. God brought his soul up from Sheol after he cried for help, and he was "healed". Restored to life "חִיָּה … always means to restore to life that which has apparently or really succumbed to death."-Keil, C. F., & Delitzsch, F. (1996). Commentary on the Old Testament (Vol. 5, p. 240). Hendrickson.

No, it's purely figurative. If not, you have David literally going down to Hell, as if unsaved, but then being yanked up again for some unknown reason, as if God is some sort of dangler over the fires or something.

The passage is obviously figurative throughout out. It means David was on the verge of being killed and at at one point thought he might be destined for Hell if he had been, but by the grace of God the Lord had mercy on him.
 
No, it's purely figurative. If not, you have David literally going down to Hell, as if unsaved, but then being yanked up again for some unknown reason, as if God is some sort of dangler over the fires or something.

The passage is obviously figurative throughout out. It means David was on the verge of being killed and at at one point thought he might be destined for Hell if he had been, but by the grace of God the Lord had mercy on him.

David did NOT say he was on the verge, he said his soul was in Sheol and God brought him up.

David's choice of words confirms this. The "restoration to life" isn't used figuratively in scripture, its used for a literal healing.

You don't want to believe the Bible literally, that's ok....many don't.

But I'll not follow that error.

PS: There was a reason for David's "chastisement." God made him secure and he began to credit himself with invincibility. God removed that delusion real quick. God deals with His prophets differently than everyone else, they are subject to higher standards:

5 For his anger is but for a moment, and his favor is for a lifetime. Weeping may tarry for the night, but joy comes with the morning.
6 As for me, I said in my prosperity, "I shall never be moved."
7 By your favor, O LORD, you made my mountain stand strong; you hid your face; I was dismayed.
8 To you, O LORD, I cry, and to the Lord I plead for mercy:
9 "What profit is there in my death, if I go down to the pit? Will the dust praise you? Will it tell of your faithfulness?
10 Hear, O LORD, and be merciful to me! O LORD, be my helper!"
11 You have turned for me my mourning into dancing; you have loosed my sackcloth and clothed me with gladness,
12 that my glory may sing your praise and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks to you forever! (Ps. 30:5-31:1 ESV)
 
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David did NOT say he was on the verge, he said his soul was in Sheol and God brought him up.

He's using figurative language, Lol. Mellow out. :)

Alfred, what did he say half-way through the psalm:

9 "What gain is there in my death, IF I go down to the Pit?"

He didn't actually go down there, he was merely saying IF he were to go down there. You would have him having already gone down there once in v.3 and now he's worried about going down there again? What was he a yo-yo? :)

It's a bizarre interpretation, Alfred, and makes for a bizarre theology. Why are you so hellbent on insisting in post-mortem opportunity? You pound away at this all the time.
 
He's using figurative language, Lol. Mellow out. :)

Alfred, what did he say half-way through the psalm:

9 "What gain is there in my death, IF I go down to the Pit?"

He didn't actually go down there, he was merely saying IF he were to go down there. You would have him having already gone down there once in v.3 and now he's worried about going down there again? What was he a yo-yo? :)

It's a bizarre interpretation, Alfred, and makes for a bizarre theology. Why are you so hellbent on insisting in post-mortem opportunity? You pound away at this all the time.
That's not conclusive, I gave it lots of thought during exegesis. Its hypothetical, he isn't saying he didn't die. He arguing a point, "what gain is there in my death".

He's terrified, God sent him to hell. It may have been for only a moment, but it scared the xyz out of David. He's trying to argue so it don't happen again.

 
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He's trying to argue so it don't happen again.

I'm telling you. If David was in his right mind and portraying God accurately (which we would generally assume he was), it turns the Lord into a someone who dangles His own over the fire. Kinda like, "Sorry, but you're damned forever. No wait! Ooooh... that was a close one, but you'd better not goof up again. Uh oh... you're really doing it now, so back you go again!" That would create a very serious paranoia, don't you think? Kinda like terrorizing someone like a fish in a frying pan. Even in eternity you'd be thinking, "I could be getting gasoline poured on me any minute here, cuz for all we know this Guy is still a bit of a Sadistic Maniac...."

I do believe He taught the Fear of the Lord. That much is obvious. But dangling people over Hell over and over... Seems a little too draconian to me.
 
I'm telling you. If David was in his right mind and portraying God accurately (which we would generally assume he was), it turns the Lord into a someone who dangles His own over the fire. Kinda like, "Sorry, but you're damned forever. No wait! Ooooh... that was a close one, but you'd better not goof up again. Uh oh... you're really doing it now, so back you go again!" That would create a very serious paranoia, don't you think? Kinda like terrorizing someone like a fish in a frying pan. Even in eternity you'd be thinking, "I could be getting gasoline poured on me any minute here, cuz for all we know this Guy could still be a bit of a Sadistic Maniac...."

I do believe He taught the Fear of the Lord. That much is obvious. But dangling people over Hell over and over... Seems a little too draconian to me.
That is very wrong. Our Lord revealed there is liability for knowing God. The more you know, the more you are liable:

47 "And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 "But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more. (Lk. 12:47-48 NKJ)

For example, the following WOULD NOT happen today, millions would die immediately. Because the level of God's revelation is less today, we are less liable:

3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?
4 "While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
5 Then Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last. So great fear came upon all those who heard these things.
6 And the young men arose and wrapped him up, carried him out, and buried him.
7 Now it was about three hours later when his wife came in, not knowing what had happened.
8 And Peter answered her, "Tell me whether you sold the land for so much?" She said, "Yes, for so much."
9 Then Peter said to her, "How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out."
10 Then immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. And the young men came in and found her dead, and carrying her out, buried her by her husband. (Acts 5:3-10 NKJ)

Same with delivering a sinning believer to Satan for the destruction of the flesh:

3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
(1 Cor. 5:3-5 NKJ)

That's not going to happen today, it would be a blood bath.

During Exodus, unbelief and rebellion brought immediate death. God was among them Daily.

The same sins of idolatry by later generations did not result in immediate death. God patiently sent them prophets, gave them time to repent.


David was a prophet of God, held to a higher standard. God disabused him of the delusion of independent invincibility real quick. A trip to hell did the job quite nicely.
 
Its hypothetical, he isn't saying he didn't die.

Here's the other major fly in the ointment, Alfred: For David to have gone down to Hades, it means he would have had to have died in the flesh, and there is no record anywhere in scripture or Jewish tradition that he did. This was the King of Israel at the time. You don't think it would be a significant event to be recorded in the annals of Jewish history if King David had died?

It's just very wild and unsubstantiated, too much so to accept it based on one literal interpretation of a passage that the church and Judaism always understood to be figurative.
 
Here's the other major fly in the ointment, Alfred: For David to have gone down to Hades, it means he would have had to have died in the flesh, and there is no record anywhere in scripture or Jewish tradition that he did. This was the King of Israel at the time. You don't think it would be a significant event to be recorded in the annals of Jewish history if King David had died?

It's just very wild and unsubstantiated, too much so to accept it based on one literal interpretation of a passage that the church and Judaism always understood to be figurative.
No, it wouldn't be known. Most historians didn't believe David existed until recent archeology. All we have is the Bible history.

David says he died and went to hell. Why not believe him? Time has a way of going slow during Trauma. Seconds could have seemed like an eternity to David. Perhaps it was all over in minutes? Happening at night when everyone slept.

God chastised David for his pride.

Prophets of God are held to a higher standard. Do you recall this event:

7 Then the king said to the man of God, "Come home with me and refresh yourself, and I will give you a reward."
8 But the man of God said to the king, "If you were to give me half your house, I would not go in with you; nor would I eat bread nor drink water in this place.
9 "For so it was commanded me by the word of the LORD, saying,`You shall not eat bread, nor drink water, nor return by the same way you came.'"
10 So he went another way and did not return by the way he came to Bethel.
11 Now an old prophet dwelt in Bethel, and his sons came and told him all the works that the man of God had done that day in Bethel; they also told their father the words which he had spoken to the king.
12 And their father said to them, "Which way did he go?" For his sons had seen which way the man of God went who came from Judah.
13 Then he said to his sons, "Saddle the donkey for me." So they saddled the donkey for him; and he rode on it,
14 and went after the man of God, and found him sitting under an oak. Then he said to him, "Are you the man of God who came from Judah?" And he said, "I am."
15 Then he said to him, "Come home with me and eat bread."
16 And he said, "I cannot return with you nor go in with you; neither can I eat bread nor drink water with you in this place.
17 "For I have been told by the word of the LORD,`You shall not eat bread nor drink water there, nor return by going the way you came.'"
18 He said to him, "I too am a prophet as you are, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the LORD, saying,`Bring him back with you to your house, that he may eat bread and drink water.'" (He was lying to him.)
19 So he went back with him, and ate bread in his house, and drank water.
20 Now it happened, as they sat at the table, that the word of the LORD came to the prophet who had brought him back;
21 and he cried out to the man of God who came from Judah, saying, "Thus says the LORD:`Because you have disobeyed the word of the LORD, and have not kept the commandment which the LORD your God commanded you,
22 `but you came back, ate bread, and drank water in the place of which the LORD said to you, "Eat no bread and drink no water," your corpse shall not come to the tomb of your fathers.'"
23 So it was, after he had eaten bread and after he had drunk, that he saddled the donkey for him, the prophet whom he had brought back.
24 When he was gone, a lion met him on the road and killed him. And his corpse was thrown on the road, and the donkey stood by it. The lion also stood by the corpse.
25 And there, men passed by and saw the corpse thrown on the road, and the lion standing by the corpse. Then they went and told it in the city where the old prophet dwelt.
26 Now when the prophet who had brought him back from the way heard it, he said, "It is the man of God who was disobedient to the word of the LORD. Therefore the LORD has delivered him to the lion, which has torn him and killed him, according to the word of the LORD which He spoke to him."
27 And he spoke to his sons, saying, "Saddle the donkey for me." So they saddled it.
28 Then he went and found his corpse thrown on the road, and the donkey and the lion standing by the corpse. The lion had not eaten the corpse nor torn the donkey.
29 And the prophet took up the corpse of the man of God, laid it on the donkey, and brought it back. So the old prophet came to the city to mourn, and to bury him.
30 Then he laid the corpse in his own tomb; and they mourned over him, saying, "Alas, my brother!"
31 So it was, after he had buried him, that he spoke to his sons, saying, "When I am dead, then bury me in the tomb where the man of God is buried; lay my bones beside his bones.
32 "For the saying which he cried out by the word of the LORD against the altar in Bethel, and against all the shrines on the high places which are in the cities of Samaria, will surely come to pass."
(1 Ki. 13:7-32 NKJ)

Judaism didn't think post mortem opportunity figurative. I cited the Talmud proof a number of times. Catholic interpreters, over time changed things. Protestants kept many of the changes.

I reject them. I want to believe what Christ and his fellow Jews believed in the first century.
 
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No, it wouldn't be known. Most historians didn't believe David existed until recent archeology.

Alfred!!! Lol.

Whether faithless secular archeology started putting doubts in men's minds a hundred years ago or not, the church has always believed he existed for Heaven's sakes! Lol. You think the Jews didn't believe King David actually existed?

Ok, I gotta check out. But you have this way of increasingly making less sense the longer we discuss things. That argument is not a sound one.

I'm way behind on work, but if I can maybe I'll catch up with you on this again later.

God bless,
- H
 
Alfred!!! Lol.

Whether faithless secular archeology started putting doubts in men's minds a hundred years ago or not, the church has always believed he existed for Heaven's sakes! Lol. You think the Jews didn't believe King David actually existed?

Ok, I gotta check out. But you have this way of increasingly making less sense the longer we discuss things. That argument is not a sound one.

I'm way behind on work, but if I can maybe I'll catch up with you on this again later.

God bless,
- H
I'd like that. Don't agree with the characterization, but debating with you caused me to revise my blog, add and rebut your objections. That improves the blog. So, catch up on that work, and lets dance some more!

God bless!
al

"He must increase, but WE must decrease." cp. Jn. 3:30
 
I'd like that. Don't agree with the characterization, but debating with you caused me to revise my blog, add and rebut your objections. That improves the blog. So, catch up on that work, and lets dance some more!

God bless!
al

"He must increase, but WE must decrease." cp. Jn. 3:30

There is one way where your theory (regarding David being in Hades) becomes possible, IMO, and that is if he was taken there in spirit while still alive, as a way of showing him what his fate might be unless he truly repented. The Lord has done this with a number of people in our time, including many believers who were in some way in jeopardy of going to the wrong place.

That I would find an interesting possibility, but even then there appears to be no corroborating or substantiating evidence, so it could only be presented as a possibility at best, and not used to support your position regarding post-mortem opportunities.
 
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