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Psalms 2:7.... Interesting verse.

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Psalm 2:7 (King James Version)

7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Psalm 2:7 (King James Version)

7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Shoot, the whole chapter is interesting....
 
Soma-Sight said:
So is David a begotten Son of God?

I think he is a messiah and a begotten "son" of God.....I think Psa 2 is Messianic prophecy though in nature....
 
The Psalm is prophetic -

Here are the words of David before he became King of Israel. David was speaking about his own persecution as he hid in the wilderness for 7 years from the jealousy of King Saul.

1 My God, my God, why have you left me? (Psalm 22)

16 For dogs have surrounded me;
The assembly of evildoers themselves have enclosed me.
Like a lion [they are at] my hands and my feet.
17 I can count all my bones.
They themselves look, they gaze upon me.
18 They apportion my garments among themselves
And upon my clothing they cast lots (Psalm 22).

These words were uttered by David about his own personal situation. But they are inspired prophetic words, and they have a second fulfillment in the impalement/Crucifixion of Jesus Christ. For he said just before he died:

46 Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? (Matthew 27).

Not only this but the soldiers guarding him cast lots over his garments, none of his bones were broken on the stake (the legs of crucifixion victims were routinely broken by the Romans to speed up their deaths if necessary). The robbers on either side of him had their legs broken. Jesus was of course fastened by his hands and his feet to the stake. So here again is history which is also living prophecy. The literal Psalm applies to King David, the Word symbolic meaning applies to Jesus Christ. The application of this psalm of David to Jesus has been known for many years. But no man before 1992 realised that all scripture has a greater application, a greater meaning, not just Psalm 22.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Psalm 2:7 (King James Version)
7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
The context of Psalm 2:7 is more than just God declaring Jesus as His Son, it is actually declaring Jesus as the Son of God through the resurrection as the First Born. Read Acts 13:32-33 to get the context of Psalm 2:7.
Act 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee
 
Soma-Sight said:
So is David a begotten Son of God?

Peter explained in Acts 2 that Psalms like these do not have to apply to David.
 
Truth Minor,

The only begotten son of God is Jesus. To be begotten of anyone you must take that ones name as your own. The only one to ever get that name was Jesus when He ransomed His life for many.

9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name (Philippians 2).

This name above every other name is Jehovah's (or whatever it really is!)

He completed what He had vowed to do. His reward for overcoming was to become a God just as His Father, hence Thomas said;

"my Lord and my God". Jesus did not have this distinction until He was resurrected.

18 And he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things (Colossians 1).

The beautiful thing about this understanding is that we all should aspire to be like the Christ so that one day we may overcome and become like Him.
Like begats like and we were created in God's image Hence:

6 I myself have said: You are Gods, and all of you are sons of the most high (Psalm 82)

As a footnote, Jesus was not the first in all things before this.....Satan was!
 
2NCBrother said:
Truth Minor,

The only begotten son of God is Jesus. To be begotten of anyone you must take that ones name as your own. The only one to ever get that name was Jesus when He ransomed His life for many.

9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name (Philippians 2).

This name above every other name is Jehovah's (or whatever it really is!)

No, it is not a reference to a sequence of alphabetic characters. It is a reference to being glorified with the Father himself. See John 17:5.

He completed what He had vowed to do. His reward for overcoming was to become a God just as His Father, hence Thomas said;

"my Lord and my God". Jesus did not have this distinction until He was resurrected.

Thomas is not referring to the person Jesus as "God" there. You make this wrong assumption by imagining since he is speaking in Jesus' direction then he must be referring to Jesus. He is referring to the fact that the presence of God the Father was there in the glorified body of Jesus. Same idea at Colossians 2:9, a statement that only refers to the risen Jesus.

Remember when he previously taught Thomas, "if you have seen me you have seen the Father." Keep that in mind when you read John 20:28. Before he rose they saw the Father at work in the things Jesus did. But NOW, being glorified with the Father himself (Jn 17:5), where Jesus is the Father also is.

18 And he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things (Colossians 1).

The beautiful thing about this understanding is that we all should aspire to be like the Christ so that one day we may overcome and become like Him.
Like begats like and we were created in God's image Hence:

6 I myself have said: You are Gods, and all of you are sons of the most high (Psalm 82)

As a footnote, Jesus was not the first in all things before this.....Satan was!

You try to eat too much manna and it has you confused.
 
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