Quit Complaining

[Edward]

Numbers 14:2

And all the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron: and the whole congregation said unto them, Would God that we had died in the land of Egypt! or would God we had died in this wilderness!/

Interesting. There are murmerers and complainers among Christians even today, even on this board. There are those who, when personal tribulation comes, cry out, complain, perhaps even get angry at God. They say, why me? God is not good to me. I do not deserve this. I am a Christian, go to church, read my bible and pray.

I would have a word with you, Mr. complainer. Why should you complain or have hurt feelings at your tribulation and troubles? Should God treat you better than you deserve to be treated? What makes you so special? Look back on your life before you found the Lord and perhaps even now. All of the vile and sinful things that you have done, and consider this...Jesus took your death sentence for you! You have received a pardon.

Now, if God in His wisdom sees fit to chasten you, you should not complain or be angry with God! After all, is your tribulation or troubles as much as you deserve? Do you not punish your own children to correct them, so that they will learn discipline and grow up to fine members of society? Yes? Then what makes you immune?

Consider the corruption that is within your own heart. Now will you wonder why there is so much of a need to be chastened to renew your heart, to correct you, and bring your heart free of this sinful nature and into alignment with the will of God? Weigh your heart and the sinful nature of the flesh to yourself honestly and liken it to a pot of Gold on the fire. Would you like to have a heart of gold? (Thanks Neil, good song!). Look at the pot of gold on the fire. See how the dross floats to the top? The impurities and dirt are released from the gold by heat, stirring, fluxing.

Do you think the fire is too hot to purge away so much dross that your heart has? Doesn't your proud and rebellious spirit prove that your heart is not thoroughly sanctified and pure within? Isn't your complaining and murmuring words and thoughts contrary to the Holy submissive nature of being a child of God?! Isn't correction needed?

If you're going to complain and feel frustrated with God, take heed, Christian, for it will go hard with complainers and murmurers. God always chastises his children twice, if they do not bear the first stroke of the rod patiently. Remember Hebrews 12:6-11

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby./

All of Gods corrections are sent in love. To purify you and your heart and draw you nearer to Himself. Surely it will help you to bear the chastening if you are able to recognize the Lords hand in it, and accept it without complaining. In fact, this is the way that we should be able to rejoice and be thankful in tribulations, for the Lord sees us worthy to be corrected and trained up in the way that we should go. If you endure chastening without complaining, God deals with you as with sons and heirs! Don't complain or murmur!

1 Corinthians 10:10

Murmur not as some of them also murmured and were destroyed of the destroyer./

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[divinecloud7]

Now, if God in His wisdom sees fit to chasten you, you should not complain or be
angry with God! After all, is your tribulation or troubles as much as you
deserve? Do you not punish your own children to correct them, so that they will
learn discipline and grow up to fine members of society? Yes? Then what makes
you immune?

How do you know if someone is being chastened and I agree with complaining that it is unfit action. But can you tell when, how or why someone is chastened? Do you know what chasten means when GOD the heavenly father is chastening someone.? How do you know if it's not the enemy which is full of deception, manipulation? Or something in the blinded eye of those who try to understand GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS when.........

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my
ways, declares the LORD

Isaiah 55:8

So again I ask what is chastening of GOD the heavenly father and what can man in his understanding presume to know of it?

Some will be blinded and led by the blind to perceive in their own ways the works that are not of righteousness, but that which could be ascertained from something else, when a greater aspect of understanding can only be gotten by GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS.

Praise be to GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS CHRIST forever>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Comprehender]

Edward,
I understand the need to realize God sees the big picture, and often through our suffering, we are brought closer to God.
Although focusing on what we don't have tends to produce excessive frustration, I do think that complaining is better than apathy.
The opposite of love is not really hate. Hate is frustrated love (ie complaining).
Apathy (not caring) is the opposite of love (caring).
God is love.

When I was depressed as a child & would confide in my mom, she'd make fun of me and tell me to "go have a pitty party & eat worms." I didn't confide in her much after that. I looked elsewhere (often in the wrong places) for love.
I can't imagine Jesus saying something like that to anybody.
Just because we don't understand the pain somebody is going through, doesn't mean the pain doesn't exist.
Often when someone complains, it is because they are hurting, and when we take upon ourselves the title of Christians, we promise to bear one another's burdens, that they may be light.
That doesn't mean we support harmful behavior - but we love, as in showing empathy & compassion & in wanting the best for others as ourselves.

One of the shortest scriptures is John 11:35 - but it's implications are powerful... "Jesus wept."
Jesus knew that everything was fine and going to be fine, but he empathized with Mary's suffering and wept with her.

 

[Slider]

Good post Edward! I make it a point when things go wrong to say something like, "I don't understand this God, but if Romans 8:28 is correct, I still praise you!" The Bible says somewhere Give thanks in ALL things... "All" means everything without exception, not just the things we see as blessings. Yep, it can be hard at times, but it's the way to do it.

 

[divinecloud7]

Often when someone complains, it is because they are hurting, and when we take upon ourselves the title of Christians, (we promise to bear one another's burdens), that they may be light.
That doesn't mean we support harmful behavior - (but we love, as in showing empathy & compassion & in wanting the best for others as ourselves).

Agreed.

"I don't understand this God, but if Romans 8:28 is correct, I still praise you!" The Bible says somewhere Give thanks in ALL things... "All" means everything without exception, not just the things we see as blessings

In agreement and understanding that we don't understand is the beginning, and that in the end we will and all for the grace and glory of GOD and his son lord JESUS CHRIST.

Praise be to GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS CHRIST forever>>>>>>>>>>

 

[SeekHisFace]

Hello Edward

I hope you won't mind if I add to your thread something that the Lord had already shown me...I wrote it all down, all the scripture He led me to...
It is amazing how He lead me. He is so awesome!

It started with a dream He gave me. And then afterwards, He kept leading me to all those scriptures connected to it (below):

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OVERTHROWN IN THE WILDERNESS

[Tell them to Cry out to the Lord.......Egypt] Murmuring

The Lord led me to more revelation concerning this dream I had concerning tell them to cry out to the Lord...Egypt.

I will write out all the verses for those that are reading this from their phone.

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Concerning 1 Co 10:9: Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

Exo 17:2 Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore do ye tempt the LORD?
Exo 17:3 And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Wherefore is this that thou hast brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?
Exo 17:6 Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.
Exo 17:7 And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they tempted the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not?

Concerning 1 Co 10:10: Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

[of course we now have Christ as our Passover]

Exo 12:23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
Exo 12:24 And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.
Exo 12:25 And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the LORD will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.
Exo 12:26 And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?
Exo 12:27 That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.

Num 14:29 Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me,

Now I will stop and put a break in between these two verses to mention that the Lord has led me to the verses concerning the carcases just a day or two ago.....
Jesus talks about what will happen in our day...I know that this talks about Noe and Lot but what I want to point out is the carcases, when the desiples asked Jesus where those ones will be taken...the carcases...verse 37

(below is red letter--Jesus' Words)

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Num 14:30 Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.
Num 14:31 But your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have despised.
Num 14:32 But as for you, your carcases, they shall fall in this wilderness.
Num 14:33 And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcases be wasted in the wilderness.
Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Num 14:35 I the LORD have said, I will surely do it unto all this evil congregation, that are gathered together against me: in this wilderness they shall be consumed, and there they shall die.
Num 14:36 And the men, which Moses sent to search the land, who returned, and made all the congregation to murmur against him, by bringing up a slander upon the land,
Num 14:37 Even those men that did bring up the evil report upon the land, died by the plague before the LORD.


Notice now that the some of the people came to Moses and confessed that they have sinned against God and him (Moses)...They REPENTED!


Num 21:5 And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.
Num 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Num 21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

 

[Edward]

When we are Christians, we are "In Christ", so when we suffer, we suffer in Christ and with Christ. We are promised sorrow in this life. Even Jesus suffered in this life, very much so. It matters not who deals the sorrow and suffering upon us, since we are in Christ, we suffer in His name, for we are His. We are not better than Christ, deserving better treatment or less sorrow and suffering, and yet we do suffer less than He did in His life and upon the Cross. Jesus suffered more than any of us ever have or ever will, because for a moment, He experienced total separation from God. Thus the price of sin.

We never have, we never will experience this as long as we remain in Christ and receive our redemption. We have our pardon in Christ! Even as vile and wretched men in the flesh, we have always had the Holy Spirit with us. We have not experienced total separation from God as Jesus did. To be given over unto death and be totally separated from God, nor shall we ever know it in Christ. Jesus did it for us. It wasn't the vicious beating that we seen in Passion of the Christ, nor the death of His flesh body that was the price he paid for us, vicious and terrible though it was, but rather the momentary separation from God. "My God, My God why hast thou forsaken me?" was the moment of separation from God before He died.

It is likely incomprehensible for us to imagine this agony for we have never experienced it. So any suffering that we are allowed to experienced while we are earth bound is nothing to this. Not comparable. In this we are able to rejoice in our sufferings and sorrows, and praise our Lord God, that we only have to stub our toe so to speak, rather than suffer true torment as Jesus did. But we are in Christ, so suffer with Him, but only to an incomprehensible lesser degree than He did...because He loves us so much!

It is easy to praise God when one's cup runneth over with Blessings. How many can praise God during suffering and sorrow? But we must. In this, we suffer with Christ. We share in His suffering, so shall we share in His rewards and righteousness. For us to suffer on earth is a purification from the sin that we were born into. We must needs grow and be purified in Christ no matter how much it hurts. To complain and murmur in our sorrow is perhaps an insult to God. It is to say, "I am better than Christ"

But for us to be able, within our fleshy bodies, to praise God upon sorrow, is to be able to show Christ honor, love, and faith. We may be grievous or not understand it, why it happens to us. But all things work together for good, for those who love God. To praise God upon sorrow and tribulation is have faith in God and trust Him. Yea though he slay me, will I trust Him.

Several hundred thousand years from now, we will look back, and laugh, praising God. What minor afflictions were those upon earth? I stubbed my toe, and praised God for it. It built me up, helped to develop my perseverance and endurance. It helped to purify me. Earth is but temporary. A life gone as fast as flash powder. Worry not about the sorrows of this world. Praise God that He loves you enough to mould you into the type of servant that He would have you to be.

Slider...SeekHisFace...Bullseye, dear Brothers and Sisters.

 

[jasoncran]

well I have complained in that I wanted to turn wrenches and that has been stopped for now. as of Monday I be working as a meter reader. it is Not something I want to do but something I will do because I have do and I will give it my all. while I do make more money and have an earlier schedule. I do in my heart still not want to transfer. I spent a lot of time learning the trade.

 

[Edward]

well I have complained in that I wanted to turn wrenches and that has been stopped for now. as of Monday I be working as a meter reader. it is Not something I want to do but something I will do because I have do and I will give it my all. while I do make more money and have an earlier schedule. I do in my heart still not want to transfer. I spent a lot of time learning the trade.

Turning wrenches is a good skill, I turn wrenches myself. Wrench turners will always have work in the Service industry, though at times I feel as if I should have went to college to be a paper pusher of some sort. Too late now, lol.

Yours does not sound as if you're complaining about it though. Sounds like you're just rolling with it.Do you get angry at God about it? Doesn't sound like it. Good luck with with new assignment, and watch out for the road apples in the yard!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I complain about everything to my wife.
She's the only one that listens.
Or I think she listens.
I hope I'm not going to hell because of it.

 

[reba]

well I have complained in that I wanted to turn wrenches and that has been stopped for now. as of Monday I be working as a meter reader. it is Not something I want to do but something I will do because I have do and I will give it my all. while I do make more money and have an earlier schedule. I do in my heart still not want to transfer. I spent a lot of time learning the trade.

You will still turn wrenches silly ... your cars, your daughters, friends... wont be long, you will be telling us about fixing some ones car . O ye of little faith

 

[Edward]

You will still turn wrenches silly ... your cars, your daughters, friends... wont be long, you will be telling us about fixing some ones car . O ye of little faith

Bullseye. Agreed.

 

[jasoncran]

we shall see on that. I don't mind doing that but well I will have to adjust. that is all.

 

[jasoncran]

well I have complained in that I wanted to turn wrenches and that has been stopped for now. as of Monday I be working as a meter reader. it is Not something I want to do but something I will do because I have do and I will give it my all. while I do make more money and have an earlier schedule. I do in my heart still not want to transfer. I spent a lot of time learning the trade.

Turning wrenches is a good skill, I turn wrenches myself. Wrench turners will always have work in the Service industry, though at times I feel as if I should have went to college to be a paper pusher of some sort. Too late now, lol.

Yours does not sound as if you're complaining about it though. Sounds like you're just rolling with it.Do you get angry at God about it? Doesn't sound like it. Good luck with with new assignment, and watch out for the road apples in the yard!

meter reading is simply reading the meters of the water and also electric grid. I was getting back into liking my job and this happened. I was burned out. oh well pray that I do find side work