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What does all this have to do with the OP, do you have nothing else to say but to change the subject.Why not stick to the OP.Gary_Bee said:
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Gary
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Terrorism - Muhammad style
Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’â€Â
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.â€Â
Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.â€Â
Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.â€Â
Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.â€Â
Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.â€Â
Tabari IX:42 “We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not hae the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized.â€Â
Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’â€Â
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.â€Â
Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.â€Â
Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.â€Â
Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.â€Â
Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.â€Â
Tabari IX:42 “We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not hae the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized.â€Â
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Agarash
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this doesnt sound like a mercifull and compassionate God that you talk about muhsen?? do you want to explain this?
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Gary
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8:67
Pickthall It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Yusuf Ali It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but God looketh to the Hereafter: And God is Exalted in might, Wise.
Shakir It is not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods of this world, while Allah desires (for you) the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Sher Ali It does not behove a Prophet that he should have captives until he engages in regular fighting in the land. If you take captives, except in regular fighting, you will be regarded as desiring the goods of this world, while ALLAH desires for you the Hereafter. And ALLAH is Mighty, Wise.
Khalifa No prophet shall acquire captives, unless he participates in the fighting. You people are seeking the materials of this world, while GOD advocates the Hereafter. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
Arberry It is not for any Prophet to have prisoners until he make wide slaughter in the land. You desire the chance goods of the present world, and God desires the world to come; and God is All-mighty, All-wise.
Palmer It has not been for any prophet to take captives until he hath slaughtered in the land! Ye wish to have the goods of this world, but God wishes for the next, for God is mighty, wise!
Rodwell No prophet hath been enabled to take captives until he had made great slaughter in the earth. Ye desire the passing fruitions of this world, but God desireth the next life for you. And God is Mighty, Wise.
Sale It hath not been [granted] unto any prophet, that he should possess captives, until he had made a great slaughter [of the infidels] in the earth. Ye seek the accidental [goods] of this world, but God regardeth the life to come; and God is mighty and wise.
Transliterated Arabic Ma kana linabiyyin an yakoona lahu asra hatta yuthkhina fee al-ardi tureedoona AAarada alddunya waAllahu yureedu al-akhirata waAllahu AAazeezun hakeemun
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Muhammad gives himself power to slaughter...... what a thug!
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Pickthall It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Yusuf Ali It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but God looketh to the Hereafter: And God is Exalted in might, Wise.
Shakir It is not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods of this world, while Allah desires (for you) the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Sher Ali It does not behove a Prophet that he should have captives until he engages in regular fighting in the land. If you take captives, except in regular fighting, you will be regarded as desiring the goods of this world, while ALLAH desires for you the Hereafter. And ALLAH is Mighty, Wise.
Khalifa No prophet shall acquire captives, unless he participates in the fighting. You people are seeking the materials of this world, while GOD advocates the Hereafter. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
Arberry It is not for any Prophet to have prisoners until he make wide slaughter in the land. You desire the chance goods of the present world, and God desires the world to come; and God is All-mighty, All-wise.
Palmer It has not been for any prophet to take captives until he hath slaughtered in the land! Ye wish to have the goods of this world, but God wishes for the next, for God is mighty, wise!
Rodwell No prophet hath been enabled to take captives until he had made great slaughter in the earth. Ye desire the passing fruitions of this world, but God desireth the next life for you. And God is Mighty, Wise.
Sale It hath not been [granted] unto any prophet, that he should possess captives, until he had made a great slaughter [of the infidels] in the earth. Ye seek the accidental [goods] of this world, but God regardeth the life to come; and God is mighty and wise.
Transliterated Arabic Ma kana linabiyyin an yakoona lahu asra hatta yuthkhina fee al-ardi tureedoona AAarada alddunya waAllahu yureedu al-akhirata waAllahu AAazeezun hakeemun
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Muhammad gives himself power to slaughter...... what a thug!
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TheStudent
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Lets look at that whole Surah in context shall we:
8:55-67
Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe.
Those of them with whom thou madest a treaty, and then at every opportunity they break their treaty, and they keep not duty (to Allah).
If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.
And if thou fearest treachery from any folk, then throw back to them (their treaty) fairly. Lo! Allah loveth not the treacherous.
And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.
Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged
And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower
And if they would deceive thee, then lo! Allah is Sufficient for thee. He it is Who supporteth thee with His help and with the believers,
And (as for the believers) hath attuned their hearts. If thou hadst spent all that is in the earth thou couldst not have attuned their hearts, but Allah hath attuned them. Lo! He is Mighty, Wise.
O Prophet! Allah is Sufficient for thee and those who follow thee of the believers.
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.
Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.
It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Had it not been for an ordinance of Allah which had gone before, an awful doom had come upon you on account of what ye took.
so we can see this verse speaks about the people who broke their treaty with muhammed and led them to battle.
8:55-67
Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe.
Those of them with whom thou madest a treaty, and then at every opportunity they break their treaty, and they keep not duty (to Allah).
If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.
And if thou fearest treachery from any folk, then throw back to them (their treaty) fairly. Lo! Allah loveth not the treacherous.
And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.
Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged
And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower
And if they would deceive thee, then lo! Allah is Sufficient for thee. He it is Who supporteth thee with His help and with the believers,
And (as for the believers) hath attuned their hearts. If thou hadst spent all that is in the earth thou couldst not have attuned their hearts, but Allah hath attuned them. Lo! He is Mighty, Wise.
O Prophet! Allah is Sufficient for thee and those who follow thee of the believers.
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.
Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.
It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Had it not been for an ordinance of Allah which had gone before, an awful doom had come upon you on account of what ye took.
so we can see this verse speaks about the people who broke their treaty with muhammed and led them to battle.
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Gary
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In context..... Muhammad the thug and caravan raider
The Quran commanded the Muslims to give a fifth of the booty to Allah and his Messenger along with those near of kin, needy etc.:
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Jesus said: "by their fruits you will know them."
Muhammad's "fruit" is rotten.
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The Quran commanded the Muslims to give a fifth of the booty to Allah and his Messenger along with those near of kin, needy etc.:
- And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- AND TO THE MESSENGER, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things. S. 8:41
- "It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but Allah looketh to the Hereafter: And Allah is Exalted in might, Wise. Had it not been for a previous ordainment from Allah, a severe penalty would have reached you for the (ransom) that ye took. But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." S. 8: 67-69
- "After the Battle of Badr, the verse dealing with the booties was first revealed. The verse introduced the rule for the first time that the spoils of war would be the property of the soldiers who actually take part in the battle...THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS why the soldiers of Islam fought tooth and nail. They would get Paradise in case of death in a Holy War, and booties in the case of CONQUEST. Jihad is therefore the best source of all acquisitions."
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Jesus said: "by their fruits you will know them."
Muhammad's "fruit" is rotten.
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Gary
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What really happened to the Banu Qurayza?
This is one of the darkest chapters in early Muslim history and it is also one of the most complicated. The sources are partially conflicting and embellished by later traditions which have obscured what really happened.
The below is a very exhaustive collection of source material and a first attempt of drawing conclusions. You might not agree with all our conclusions on this issue, but it will at least give you many sources nobody can ignore when trying to understand this incident.
Please read the following three part series in sequence. The latter build on the information given in the former.
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This is one of the darkest chapters in early Muslim history and it is also one of the most complicated. The sources are partially conflicting and embellished by later traditions which have obscured what really happened.
The below is a very exhaustive collection of source material and a first attempt of drawing conclusions. You might not agree with all our conclusions on this issue, but it will at least give you many sources nobody can ignore when trying to understand this incident.
Please read the following three part series in sequence. The latter build on the information given in the former.
- Part 1: The siege, the surrender & the intercession of al-Aus -CLICK HERE-
Part 2: Who is Sa`d bin Mu`adh? -CLICK HERE-
Part 3: Muhammad's appointment of Sa`d bin Mu`adh, his judgment, its execution and conclusions -CLICK HERE-
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Agarash
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very interesting. any comments, TheStudent or Muhsen??
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TheStudent
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one comment
CONTEXT
if you have heard that one man had been killed by another, you would call his killer savage. but if you had heard that he was killed because he was trying to defend himself, you would call him a hero.
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learn it
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if you have heard that one man had been killed by another, you would call his killer savage. but if you had heard that he was killed because he was trying to defend himself, you would call him a hero.
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learn it
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Gary
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The savages....
Warning: This link contains extremely graphic and disturbing images of the recent Beersheba bus bombings, the suicide bombing in Moscow, the terrorist acts against Russian aircraft, the Beslan Russia school atrocities, and the Nepalese beheadings in Iraq. The images are set along side excerpts from Prophet Of Doom: Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/for_beslan_children.html
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Jesus said we would be able to expose false prophets "by their fruits."
Muhammad's "fruits" are rotten. In TheStudent's own words, they are "savages."
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TheStudent said:
Warning: This link contains extremely graphic and disturbing images of the recent Beersheba bus bombings, the suicide bombing in Moscow, the terrorist acts against Russian aircraft, the Beslan Russia school atrocities, and the Nepalese beheadings in Iraq. The images are set along side excerpts from Prophet Of Doom: Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/for_beslan_children.html
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Jesus said we would be able to expose false prophets "by their fruits."
Muhammad's "fruits" are rotten. In TheStudent's own words, they are "savages."
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TheStudent
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gary,im sure you read ALL of my statement. do you really think you are fooling TRUE christians here by posting your foolish arguments?
'if you have heard that one man had been killed by another, you would call his killer savage. but if you had heard that he was killed because he was trying to defend himself, you would call him a hero. '
you know what gary, ive learned how to deao with people such as you and it is very simple.
IGNORE THEM.
people like you only desire attention.
you have NO interest in the truth.
so gary and people like him, keep on posting these one sided views and lies. may it help you in the afterlife.
'if you have heard that one man had been killed by another, you would call his killer savage. but if you had heard that he was killed because he was trying to defend himself, you would call him a hero. '
you know what gary, ive learned how to deao with people such as you and it is very simple.
IGNORE THEM.
people like you only desire attention.
you have NO interest in the truth.
so gary and people like him, keep on posting these one sided views and lies. may it help you in the afterlife.
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Gary
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What then would you call the thugs who perpetrated the Beersheba bus bombings, the suicide bombing in Moscow, the terrorist acts against Russian aircraft, the Beslan Russia school atrocities, and the Nepalese beheadings in Iraq?
I think "savages" is apt. What would you call them?
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I think "savages" is apt. What would you call them?
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