Reasons I have been giving trouble to Born Againers

[Soma-Sight]

I posted this too Gary in a PM as he asked an important question as to why i am giving Fundamentalists such a hard time.....

My fiancee is dying from Ulcerative Colitis and has been in the hospital for the past two weeks.

She had a temperature of 105 last Saturday and nearly died from pancreatitis due to drug interactions.

All during this time her "born again" family did NOTHING to ease and comfort their own child.

Just like her "born again" father abandoned her when she got molested by her uncle at a young age..... and then again when she became aneorexic due to the stress.... it is all happening again.

Let me put it this way... Cut your hand and drip the blood in the toilet... That color is exactly what was happening to my true love for the last couple months. She would sometimes go to the bathroom 15 - 20 times a day getting only 3 hrs sleep TOPS if she took a pain killer....

Here is why I question Evanglelical faith and the FRUITS of it...

Her "born again" family, even after I explained the situation to them and even offered to pay for a plane ticket to see her... would not do it...

HER DAD WOULD NOT LET HER MOM COME OUT TO SEE HER! How screwed up is that! And this is coming from a "saved" person that never was too busy to say all the Muslims were going to hell because they were "crazy".

THEY WERE TOO BUSY TO COME SEE THEIR DYING DAUGHTER.... Of course when we were first dating they were never TOO BUSY to try and tell us how to come to Church and how to judge others, how to live and what to think, there was always time for that!

And then there is my girlfriends best friend Jill....

She is a TRINITARIAN BORN AGAINER who was supposed to stick by her friend no matter what.... her dad is even a Pastor at a local congregation...

Do you think she stopped by to visit my girl as she lay dying?

NO!

All because my girlfriend believed a little different on certain doctrinal issues.... She cut off the relationship due to this. Can you believe that!?

These are two evangelical bred "good Christian" families that have shown the fallicy of "belonging to the right religon gets you to Heaven". These fruits are not of the Holy Spirit!

My "liberal" mother who is NOT RELIGIOUS but very COMPASSIONATE spent FOUR DAYS IN A ROW with no sleep watching over my girl when I had final exams in school. (This was from March when my girl was in the hospital for a week due to the same problem)

My mom knows little of "sound doctrine" like my girls parents and her best friend Jill do but demonstrated the TRUTH of following Christ as shown in Matt 25 without "stepping foot in a CORRECT CHURCH".....

4 days with no sleep..... How many people can say they would do that for someones ELSES child..... Heck I spent only 2 days in a row with no sleep and I almost broke down....

This coupled with the fact that I have seen better fruits coming out of "new ager" people inspires me to post that the days of "creed over deed" judgemental mentality is an illusion.....

Christ told me so. :-?

 

[Lewis]

Wow, and Geeeeez, this is not good at all, what kind of parents are these people. If they call themselves Christians they are telling lies. How can they do this poor girl like that, hearing this has made me angry. These people need to be exposed. If something did happen to her I wouldn't even tell these idiots.
they don't deserve to know. The mother should not let the father stop her from seeing about her child, and the dad is an idiot. And those are my true gut feelings. This post might get deleted, because of my harsh stance on this, but I will not pull back, off of what I said.

 

[Gary]

Soma-sight, thanks for the openness.... it cannot be easy to share these types of issues.

I will respond more fully and privately to your PM later today.

May our Lord Jesus Christ fill you and your girlfriend with His peace; the joy and peace which passes all understanding, even in these most difficult times for both of you.

Kind regards
Gary

 

[Rick W]

Actually Lewis I share your opinions here, and it would be a very difficult thing to forgive for anyone.
Soma, I'm not sure how to say it but profession isn't the measure of salvation. Many claim to know Christ, to speak in His name or do things to prove to others their unfounded claims.

Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Matthew 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Anyway, a piece of wisdom told to me by one of my mentors shortly after I accepted Christ:
"Don't look to me or Dennis for example, for we may stumble at times. We too are sinners, you look to Christ and what He did on the cross. Therein lies the truth and your salvation." Same goes for anyone here regardless of what they may think. Keep your eyes on Christ.

I'll pray for you and your fiancee and pass on a prayer request to our church. Also for the doctors that they may have the wisdom to overcome this.

 

[Heidi]

I posted this too Gary in a PM as he asked an important question as to why i am giving Fundamentalists such a hard time.....

My fiancee is dying from Ulcerative Colitis and has been in the hospital for the past two weeks.

She had a temperature of 105 last Saturday and nearly died from pancreatitis due to drug interactions.

All during this time her "born again" family did NOTHING to ease and comfort their own child.

Just like her "born again" father abandoned her when she got molested by her uncle at a young age..... and then again when she became aneorexic due to the stress.... it is all happening again.

Let me put it this way... Cut your hand and drip the blood in the toilet... That color is exactly what was happening to my true love for the last couple months. She would sometimes go to the bathroom 15 - 20 times a day getting only 3 hrs sleep TOPS if she took a pain killer....

Here is why I question Evanglelical faith and the FRUITS of it...

Her "born again" family, even after I explained the situation to them and even offered to pay for a plane ticket to see her... would not do it...

HER DAD WOULD NOT LET HER MOM COME OUT TO SEE HER! How screwed up is that! And this is coming from a "saved" person that never was too busy to say all the Muslims were going to hell because they were "crazy".

THEY WERE TOO BUSY TO COME SEE THEIR DYING DAUGHTER.... Of course when we were first dating they were never TOO BUSY to try and tell us how to come to Church and how to judge others, how to live and what to think, there was always time for that!

And then there is my girlfriends best friend Jill....

She is a TRINITARIAN BORN AGAINER who was supposed to stick by her friend no matter what.... her dad is even a Pastor at a local congregation...

Do you think she stopped by to visit my girl as she lay dying?

NO!

All because my girlfriend believed a little different on certain doctrinal issues.... She cut off the relationship due to this. Can you believe that!?

These are two evangelical bred "good Christian" families that have shown the fallicy of "belonging to the right religon gets you to Heaven". These fruits are not of the Holy Spirit!

My "liberal" mother who is NOT RELIGIOUS but very COMPASSIONATE spent FOUR DAYS IN A ROW with no sleep watching over my girl when I had final exams in school. (This was from March when my girl was in the hospital for a week due to the same problem)

My mom knows little of "sound doctrine" like my girls parents and her best friend Jill do but demonstrated the TRUTH of following Christ as shown in Matt 25 without "stepping foot in a CORRECT CHURCH".....

4 days with no sleep..... How many people can say they would do that for someones ELSES child..... Heck I spent only 2 days in a row with no sleep and I almost broke down....

This coupled with the fact that I have seen better fruits coming out of "new ager" people inspires me to post that the days of "creed over deed" judgemental mentality is an illusion.....

Christ told me so. :-?

You might be making a pre-judgment, friend. Is your fiance a born again Christian? None of my adult children are born again and every time I come around them, they chastize me for being born again. I therefore no longer want to be around people who not only don't see their own sins, but criticize myself and God every chance they get. As Paul tells us; "what do a believer and an unbeliever have in common?" When I do come around, my children forget that as soon as I leave. But they sure remember it when I don't come around and then complain about why I don't come around! And that is what Jesus means when he said that he will divide families. Night and day have nothing in common and interact like fire and water.

 

[Lewis]

You might be making a pre-judgment, friend. Is your fiance a born again Christian? None of my adult children are born again and every time I come around them, they chastize me for being born again. I therefore no longer want to be around people who not only don't see their own sins, but criticize myself and God every chance they get. As Paul tells us; "what do a believer and an unbeliever have in common?" When I do come around, my children forget that as soon as I leave. But they sure remember it when I don't come around and then complain about why I don't come around! And that is what Jesus means when he said that he will divide families. Night and day have nothing in common and interact like fire and water.

I understand about not being around non believers, but this is their child that might die. What they are doing is unacceptable, where is the Christian love, is this the love that Jesus would show ? NO. These parents are as wrong as 2 left shoes on your feet. If their daughter is not saved, does this mean that they should not come to her sick bed ? These parents are acting as cold as the world. But even millions of unsaved people will find this behavior unacceptable. This is just plain ludicrous. This makes me question their Christianity, and rightfully so. And Soma not all Christians are like that.
But you do have some Christians, who can be the worst people in the world.
But don't let this make you think that we as a whole are like that. I don't even know her and I am touched and mad as heck about it.

 

[KnarfKS]

I'm sorry to hear that Soma. I'm in the same boat as you are with the double facedness that many Christians exhibit. But the thing is that God is not to blame for His idiot "followers" who really don't follow what He commands. What your fiancee's parents are doing is wrong, no matter what if anything she did. That is not what Christ taught about forgiveness. They should be there beside her praying for her if they truly cared.

 

[DISconect2]

With all the love and prayer I can give in my born again heart i pray for both of you and her parents.

If you stay on the path of hate and do not forgive them it will only hurt you. You do not have to forgive someone for their sake all the time but forgive them for your own healing.

Anytime you need to pick on someone to vent bring it on I can take it, if that is what you need


Lou

 

[Scott]

I suppose it might be more appropriate to focus your aggression and agitation on those people you named in your post and not on people you've never met. But I do understand where you are coming from, sometimes there are things in life that make us lash out at any and everyone even those who are trying to help. Something to remember is to draw your conclusion about people based on their actions, not on the label they claim to be under. Peoples actions and words don't always line up.

Sorry to hear whats happening with your girl, and God bless you for being there for her in this hard time. I will keep you both in my prayers.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Well she is out of the hospital for now.

She has lost a lot of weight and is on Prednisone to help with the bledding and inflammation.

This is still very hard and scary.

Her parents still are being jerks but I flew her brother out for Thanksgiving and that helped put a lot with moral.

Your prayers are appreciated and no offense to anyone here for prior posts that were unkind.

 

[cly]

I'm sorry to hear about your girlfriend, Soma-Sight. That sounds like a very difficult situation.

I agree with most people here. Her parents ought to come out and see her. The poor girl is going through a lot as it is. She doesn't need her family to be unsupportive of her. It is sinful that they don't support her.

I also agree with what Disconnect2 said about forgiveness. They may not deserve to be forgiven for deserting their daughter in her hour of need, but for your sake (and it is what God commands), you should forgive them. You don't have to like them or agree with them, but forgive them.

I'm glad to hear that she's out of the hospital. Hopefully, that will remain to be the case. I'll remember her and you in my prayers. Take care and God bless.

CLY

 

[Blazin Bones]

Soma, I think these passages can shed some light on the situation. Matthew 7:15-20 and Matthew 12:33-37. Both passages deal with tree's and their fruit. Soma, one poor example is no reason to turn on the God who gave life to your fiance. Soma, do me a favor. Look at James 1:5-8. I can't understand all you and her are going thru, but God can. Psalm 118:8 is another passage that may help.

Soma, this is not a time to stop trusting in God, it is a time to completely trust in God. Soma, I have not stopped praying for the situation, but you can't give up either. On your fiance, or God. 8-)

 

[Relic]

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Somasight, Please know that I am not trying to belittle your situation. I know you are going through a very tough time.
But I must share with you my thoughts on the rough times we all go through in life. Each one of us a different scenario, but we all must face trials and testing times.

My life's experience was a bumpy one for sure, but it seemed that I had an extremely rough time in my life specifically for a few years from 1994 through to 2000 in which it seemed I lost all I valued in life, and depression was at the highest point during that time in my life.
In 1994, My home of being settled in it for 13 years without having to move, was torn apart. I lost it and my children, within the span of 2 years, they were gone from my custody. After finally graduating from college 1996 with a degree in accounting and business, I became unable to work. I finally got a degree in my old age, Fresh from graduation, and I wasn't able to work because I had gotten injured on a job that was to only take 4 days to a week while I was applying for jobs related to my degree! Well, I never did get that chance, It took 10 years to heal from the injury. Within that 10 years of healing, my fiance died from a brain aneurism in 1998. Just one month before he died, within the short span of 1 month, we lost 2 pets to death and 1 to being missing. After he died, I had to give up the 3 that were left alive. It seemed everything was dying around me! everything was being taken away from me! and then he died! His children and ex-wife treated me horribly through the whole ordeal. They weren't there at his bedside when he passed on. They kicked me out of the hospital the last three days while he was in a coma, but the last day of his life they called me and allowed me to be by his side as he lay there dying. They couldn't stand to see him pass away, but they decided to pull the plug and couldn't stand to be there when he took his last breath. I was by his side and I had to watched him die in front of me after watching him lie there in coma for a week. I thought I was going through hell on earth! for 6 years and then some.

and a few years after all that, I still didn't have it together. I went through a relationship that was going in the wrong direction. I broke my heart to leave it. So from 1994 through 2004 it was not smooth sailing. The only way I made it through was to look to God to get me through it all.

I didn't give up on God to bring me through it. During the whole duration of hard times, I felt as if no one was there for me to give me understanding and compassion. I felt so alone without support from anyone! ALL I HAD WAS to look to God. God was my only comfort.
God brought me through. We cannot look to other people to give us what we think we need in our hard times. ONLY God's word can bring us to a place of refuge.


Psalm 23:1-6

Psalm 119:1-15

Psalm 119:1-176

Soma, It's not about what is going on around us. It's about looking to God to bring us through all that goes on around us.
You need that kind of personal relationship with God, Soma!.

You have to turn to God in prayer according to His Holy Word. Pray His words. Pray the Psalms just as David, don't loose sight of God, Job recovered. God makes all things new. Just as all the prophets looked to the Hope and goodness of things to come through God's holy word. It is all we have to save us from despair when no others are there for us.

It's not what is in front of us. It is what we look forward to IN FAITH.
Trusting God to bring it to manifestation in HIS DUE TIME. If a life is taken away from you, that doesn't me God isn't working IN and through your life.

I truly believe that God place Jim in my life so that He wouldn't be alone when he died, so he wouldn't be alone when he had that aneurism attack that put him in a coma. I truly believe God used me for the last 10 months of his life to be a good companion and friend to him in his last days on earth.

Somasight, God may be using you to be a good companion and friend to your girlfriend in her difficult times. Forget about what other people are or are not doing for her or you. Just concentrate on what God is doing through you in your life for her comfort in this time.

You are both in my prayers. May God comfort you both in any situation you must face in this life, be them good times or times of difficulty. Know this! God will see you through. Pray according to His Word. Not yours, but His will be done. If a loved one goes to another place in this life or is called to heaven, That is God's business, not yours. What is your business is seeking God to bring you through all that comes your way. Pray you are in the now and not looking at others at what they are not doing. Pray God is providing to you through His Holy Word, the best you can say and do is such a time as you are in. That's all you need be concerned about in such times as these, is How God is bringing you through the times of trouble on this earth.

Overcome.

Jesus teaches us how to overcome.

Don't let the devil get you down. Praise God in spite of the things we see in this earth.
Jesus looked not on the things in front of him as a hindrance. Jesus rebuked the evil and looked at things to come. Trust God.

He taught the value of faith in things hoped for. Never give up on the hope and trust IN the Lord God. Jesus be with you when it seems no one else is there. Martha complained Mary wasn't helping her. Let Jesus teach you from this example. Attend to yours and trust God take care of the rest of life around you.
God bless you both.
Praise God In ALL things no matter what you see, Know, without wavering, that God IS working in and through you both.

• Romans 8:25-28
  25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
  
  26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
  
  27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
  
  28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. [/*:m:b1af4]

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[Lyric's Dad]

I posted this too Gary in a PM as he asked an important question as to why i am giving Fundamentalists such a hard time.....

My fiancee is dying from Ulcerative Colitis and has been in the hospital for the past two weeks.

She had a temperature of 105 last Saturday and nearly died from pancreatitis due to drug interactions.

All during this time her "born again" family did NOTHING to ease and comfort their own child.

Just like her "born again" father abandoned her when she got molested by her uncle at a young age..... and then again when she became aneorexic due to the stress.... it is all happening again.

Let me put it this way... Cut your hand and drip the blood in the toilet... That color is exactly what was happening to my true love for the last couple months. She would sometimes go to the bathroom 15 - 20 times a day getting only 3 hrs sleep TOPS if she took a pain killer....

Here is why I question Evanglelical faith and the FRUITS of it...

Her "born again" family, even after I explained the situation to them and even offered to pay for a plane ticket to see her... would not do it...

HER DAD WOULD NOT LET HER MOM COME OUT TO SEE HER! How screwed up is that! And this is coming from a "saved" person that never was too busy to say all the Muslims were going to hell because they were "crazy".

THEY WERE TOO BUSY TO COME SEE THEIR DYING DAUGHTER.... Of course when we were first dating they were never TOO BUSY to try and tell us how to come to Church and how to judge others, how to live and what to think, there was always time for that!

And then there is my girlfriends best friend Jill....

She is a TRINITARIAN BORN AGAINER who was supposed to stick by her friend no matter what.... her dad is even a Pastor at a local congregation...

Do you think she stopped by to visit my girl as she lay dying?

NO!

All because my girlfriend believed a little different on certain doctrinal issues.... She cut off the relationship due to this. Can you believe that!?

These are two evangelical bred "good Christian" families that have shown the fallicy of "belonging to the right religon gets you to Heaven". These fruits are not of the Holy Spirit!

My "liberal" mother who is NOT RELIGIOUS but very COMPASSIONATE spent FOUR DAYS IN A ROW with no sleep watching over my girl when I had final exams in school. (This was from March when my girl was in the hospital for a week due to the same problem)

My mom knows little of "sound doctrine" like my girls parents and her best friend Jill do but demonstrated the TRUTH of following Christ as shown in Matt 25 without "stepping foot in a CORRECT CHURCH".....

4 days with no sleep..... How many people can say they would do that for someones ELSES child..... Heck I spent only 2 days in a row with no sleep and I almost broke down....

This coupled with the fact that I have seen better fruits coming out of "new ager" people inspires me to post that the days of "creed over deed" judgemental mentality is an illusion.....

Christ told me so. :-?

I am so sorry for you and the one you love. I too have had my share of people who claim but don't behave in that manner. Just always remember that it is Jesus, not the so called "Christians" that matter and if what they do is not what Christ would, then disregard.

God bless and I pray all will be well or if not, that at least her suffering will be lessened.

It is so hard. I am truly sorry.

 

[greyfeather]

Soma Sight ,

Lyric's Dad says it well those who say they are Christians and don't do disregard. I lost a fiance so I do know what pain that is. I will pray for both of you and remember not all Christians are like those you are incountering in your life right now. It seems as if you have many here who are with you in prayer and fellowship.



Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Soma Sight ,

Lyric's Dad says it well those who say they are Christians and don't do disregard. I lost a fiance so I do know what pain that is. I will pray for both of you and remember not all Christians are like those you are incountering in your life right now. It seems as if you have many here who are with you in prayer and fellowship.



Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.

Thanks so much guys for the helpful posts as this has been one of the most trying times of my life.....

In fact $500 worth of my school books were stolen from me too just a couple days ago AT THE HOSPITAL!

Can you believe it!!! :

Anyways I want to apologize to any people around here that I may have offended in some of my posts.... I guess you can call that kind of reactivity as being "displacement"...

I really dont hate Sunday Evangelicals at all.... I just have had SO MANY bad expereinces with people in that denomonation.

That is why I have been so critical and it is nothing personal....

It has not been the New Agers, pagans, Islamists, or any other religious group that has made my life a living hell and given me thoughts of suicide on a few occasions...... It has been the Christians!!!!

How Ironic.

But as Arnold would say it is time to suck it up and be a man and treat people with respect regardless of how they would treat you... Or was that Jesus that would say that???? lol :angel:

Anyways my girl says to send Love your way as I have printed off the posts for her to read and get inspiration....

THANKS SO MUCH

 

[greyfeather]

Soma Sight ,
Here is a prayer for both of you , when times seem their darkest still peace can be found. God bless you both.

Dearest God, you are the Great Physician and I humbly ask your healing touch on Soma Sights beloved. Guide the doctors, guide the nurses, guide the surgeons hands if that is what is needed. And God keep faith strong ,encourage her, let her know you're there for her. Draw her unto Yourself and wrap your loving arms around her. May it be that whatever Your perfect will, that it will draw all closer to You. We love you God and we're thankful for Jesus because of Him we can come before the throne of grace. We humbly ask all these things in the name that is above all name ,Jesus Christ ,Amen



Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called the children of God.

 

[Vic C.]

It pains me to hear of a few bad apples spoiling the whole of the fruit. They are not representative of Christianity as a whole and I think you know that. James said it best...

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

While he mentions only orphans and widows, the implications of this verse are far-reaching.

Speaking of James, I always find this passage to be of great comfort...

James 1
2 ¶ My brothers count it all joy when you fall into various trials,
3 knowing that the proving of your faith works patience.
4 But let patience have its perfective work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. (LITV)

And then there's always this...

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

I pray for her comfort and a speedy and healthy recovery.

Vic