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Receiving rewards verses getting to heaven

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Compare two verses.

Mathew 10:40-42

40 “Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me.41 The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and the one who receives a righteous person because he is a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward.42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”

Mathew 5:20

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
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Dear Brother Not_Now.Soon, me not knowing your understanding of Israel’s position in Christ at the time of Him speaking to them here, I present the following scripture hopefully showing what Jesus was telling them.

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

As a nation and reward, the following excerpt from a study “Biography of the King” may be of help. Copying and pasting a portion of the following paragraph will take you to the full dissertation once you’re at the URL link below.

“The reference to a "reward in heaven," may appear somewhat puzzling where we admit that He is talking to His Jewish people and of the kingdom on earth. But these Millennial blessings being postponed because of their unbelief, belong to a remnant of the nation in the future, who will be brought to God in a time of tribulation such as never has been known, many of whom will be persecuted unto death. But they will be raised from the dead and receive glorified bodies 1000 years before the rest of the house of Israel will receive glorified bodies. John saw "the souls of them that were beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the Word of God, which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads or in their hands and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years"-Rev. 20.”
http://www.gracegod.com/Study Books/Matthew - Biography of the King.pdf
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Compare two verses.

Mathew 10:40-42

40 “Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me.41 The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and the one who receives a righteous person because he is a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward.42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”

Mathew 5:20

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.


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34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:34


41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41



Whenever we see the phrase "will not inherit the kingdom of God" in the scriptures, then we know what that means.



JLB
 
Compare two verses.

Mathew 10:40-42

40 “Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me.41 The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and the one who receives a righteous person because he is a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward.42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”

Mathew 5:20

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Maybe I'm too young in my faith but I don't understand the concept of heavenly rewards. To me heaven IS the reward and since there will be no more pain or sorrow or mourning, the concept of rewards doesn't seem to compute in my brain for if I am to realize rewards of various levels I then would have to understand the existence of a lesser reward, which could introduce sorrow or pride.

And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” Revelation 21:3-4 NKJV
 
Maybe I'm too young in my faith but I don't understand the concept of heavenly rewards. To me heaven IS the reward and since there will be no more pain or sorrow or mourning, the concept of rewards doesn't seem to compute in my brain for if I am to realize rewards of various levels I then would have to understand the existence of a lesser reward, which could introduce sorrow or pride.

And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” Revelation 21:3-4 NKJV

He is our reward.

We don't understand this now, but then we will.

...after these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.” Genesis 15:1


JLB
 
I dunno. I'm cool with the idea of rank, status, some inequality in Heaven. God selects some people for very special work on earth, so it stands to reason that they'd have higher status and such. Whatever the rewards system in Heaven, I don't think it would cause strife. Heaven is a perfect place for perfected people...whatever the social order is like in Heaven, it will be perfect, too.
 
Maybe I'm too young in my faith but I don't understand the concept of heavenly rewards. To me heaven IS the reward and since there will be no more pain or sorrow or mourning, the concept of rewards doesn't seem to compute in my brain for if I am to realize rewards of various levels I then would have to understand the existence of a lesser reward, which could introduce sorrow or pride.

And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” Revelation 21:3-4 NKJV

I think that is a very good approach WIP. I Don't think there will be sorrow or pride. (At least I hope not). But regardless of anything extra for those who make it to heaven, your right that being among that number of people is the real prize. It reminds me of a phrase. "I'd rather be a slave in heaven, then a king in hell." Responsibilities, rewards, or station in heaven all come as a far third place concern compared to being in Heaven and being near God.
 
Compare two verses.

Mathew 10:40-42

40 “Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me.41 The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and the one who receives a righteous person because he is a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward.42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”

Mathew 5:20

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
And what is the reward and how do they differ?
Is one better than the other?
Can we trade them in for coupons or something so we can buy a bigger house in heaven?
I'll give you 3 crowns and 4 rewards for your day pass into heaven.
 
I dunno. I'm cool with the idea of rank, status, some inequality in Heaven. God selects some people for very special work on earth, so it stands to reason that they'd have higher status and such.
"From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more." (Luke 12:48 NASB)

 
And what is the reward and how do they differ?
The reward potentially awaiting each of us is our reward for our labor in the building of God (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 NASB)
Those you minister to in the building of God, and who make it through the Judgment, are the reward.
That's why it's important that those whom you minister to with a word of instruction, a word of encouragement, etc. persevere to the end so you won't lose what you have worked for:

"8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward." (2 John 1:8 KJV)

Sounds kind of selfish, but really, when you love people and genuinely care about them it's not selfish at all. The only 'self' in it is God does expect us to work in the kingdom and gain reward commensurate with the gift and the level of faith to operate in that gift that we have received. If someone doesn't make it, don't let it be because of our own sloth or negligence, but rather that the person himself simply did not follow through despite our earnest efforts. I'd rather lose rewards for that reason than because I was not committed to, or properly studied and well equipped for the work.
 
Mathew 5:20

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
This means two things:

1) The believer has the righteousness of Christ applied to their account. That easily exceeds the righteousness of even the most successful self-righteous person. It's not even a contest.

2) The Pharisees had an outward righteousness. They were righteous according to outward requirements of worship and service to God ('do this, don't do this'), but inside they remained greedy, hypocritical, unclean, and full of iniquity. They were cups that were clean on the outside, but dirty on the inside. But Jesus is saying you have to have a practical righteousness that goes more than just skin deep to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Faith in Christ not only gives you the legality of Christ's perfect righteousness, but develops in the believer a righteousness of thought and behavior that far exceeds that of the hypocritical Pharisees because it changes the inner character of a person, not just the outer 'religious' activities of a person.

The law cleans the outward parts of a man. Faith in Christ cleans the inward parts, and then the outward parts get clean as a direct consequence of first being clean on the inside:

"first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish (by faith in Christ), so that the outside of it may become clean also (in a visible fulfilling of the requirements of the law)." (Matthew 23:26 NASB parenthesis mine)

13For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, 14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" (Hebrews 9:13-14 NASB bold mine)
 
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Whatever the rewards system in Heaven, I don't think it would cause strife. Heaven is a perfect place for perfected people...whatever the social order is like in Heaven, it will be perfect, too.
I think there will be regret and sadness over lost opportunities for reward.

But before any of us go running off trying to build reward...

"3For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.4For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, 5so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; 7if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; 8or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness." (Romans 12:3-8 NASB italics in original)

Soberly assess what it is you are gifted to do and the level of faith you've been given to operate in that gift. Don't want to have to rescue any of you from the jungles of Africa you were never equipped to take on in the first place. :lol
 
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I think there will be regret and sadness over lost opportunities for reward.

But before any of us go running off trying to build reward...

"3For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.4For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, 5so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; 7if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; 8or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness." (Romans 12:3-8 NASB italics in original)

Soberly assess what it is you are gifted to do and the level of faith you've been given to operate in that gift. Don't want to have to rescue any of you from the jungles of Africa you were never equipped to take on in the first place. :lol
I think what confuses me is the level of faith bit. That seems to indicate that each of us have been given a quota of faith as such. You relate to a gift but to be honest I have no idea what my gifting is.

Also if we are given a level of faith does that apply to trusting in God for ourselves in our relationship with him and the sins in our lives that we can't get to grips with?
 
1 Corinthians 3:15
If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Given my personality and thoughts about myself I used to hang on to this verse in the vain hope I would get in and have a broken shed somewhere in the garden of someone else's mansion.

Would I be a sheep or a goat? Did I work hard enough?

My attitude was along the lines of standing before God and him saying "Ok Bill let's look at the records, deary deary me, Bill I suppose I better let you in as you placed your faith in Jesus.

The ultimate reward is eternal life because of our faith in Jesus. Believing in him and his claims, his death and resurrection to reconcile us back to the Father and be like him. That being the case then the ultimate reward is secure. It's not based on my works but on what Jesus has done for me.

As i started to realise that this was the case I lost the incorrect focus I had and just want to be more like Jesus. If I lose my focus on myself and my fears of standing before God then I can be more like Jesus.

Do I work for a reward? Now I don't, (ok to be honest I do still slip up here and when i do ) I just pray to God I want to be more like Jesus, love people where they are at, forgive others who have hurt me, do to others as I would want them to do me.

As to what rewards (over and above the ultimate reward ) we are given when we stand before God I have no idea. Our sins are forgiven so they will not be held against us.

Our focus should be being like Jesus and and to be honest I think when we stand before God he will judge our heart attitude.

As for the reward I can only leave it up to him. He is fair and righteous in his judgement
 
to be honest I have no idea what my gifting is.
Other people will tell you what your gifting is.
It's prolly in the line of giving encouragement.

Also if we are given a level of faith does that apply to trusting in God for ourselves in our relationship with him and the sins in our lives that we can't get to grips with?
No.
It's the faith to know that what you're doing for others is God himself working through you to do that. That faith is what gives us the courage to stick our necks out for the Lord. Some have been given a great measure of faith to do great things for the kingdom. Others not so much, but still faith to do something. Just not something as great. What you do is relative to your faith to perform it, not someone else's faith to do it.
 
Other people will tell you what your gifting is.
It's prolly in the line of giving encouragement.


No.
It's the faith to know that what you're doing for others is God himself working through you to do that. That faith is what gives us the courage to stick our necks out for the Lord. Some have been given a great measure of faith to do great things for the kingdom. Others not so much, but still faith to do something. Just not something as great. What you do is relative to your faith to perform it, not someone else's faith to do it.
So if my gift is on the line of encouragement and so Is another persons, does God give either of us a different level of faith to be an encourager? If so why so? Whatever gifting we have been given
 
Given my personality and thoughts about myself I used to hang on to this verse in the vain hope I would get in and have a broken shed somewhere in the garden of someone else's mansion.
What scripture are you referring to? Perhaps we can examine it and discuss it.

Would I be a sheep or a goat? Did I work hard enough?
You are a sheep if you are born again. Goats are unsaved people. So don't worry about what you are.
Works accomplished, or the lack thereof, only indicate your status as either a sheep or a goat. They do not earn you entrance into the eternal kingdom. Good works are the evidence that Christ will use to determine if you are born again, just as bad works, or absent works, will be evidence of not being born again. This evidence is not used for his sake. He already knows who are his. I think it is that way for the sake of those watching the Judgments Christ passes at the end of fallen man's history. No accusations of unjust Judgments will be possible when based on supporting evidences.

The ultimate reward is eternal life because of our faith in Jesus. Believing in him and his claims, his death and resurrection to reconcile us back to the Father and be like him. That being the case then the ultimate reward is secure.
And I think that's what the Bible is referring to when it says "crown of life". That crown has nothing to do with your ministry performance here on earth and the crown that work secures.

That being the case then the ultimate reward is secure. It's not based on my works but on what Jesus has done for me.
See, you know all this.

As i started to realise that this was the case I lost the incorrect focus I had and just want to be more like Jesus. If I lose my focus on myself and my fears of standing before God then I can be more like Jesus.
The only time you can, and will, have no fear of standing before God is if you've been like Jesus in this earth. That is when you can take comfort in having no fear of the coming Judgment:

"love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world. 18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love." (1 John 4:17-18 NASB)

John is saying if we fear the Judgment it is because we are still not perfect in regard to Christ-like, loving character. Not perfect character, of course, but as in 'characterized' as walking in the fruit of the Spirit. It's the fourth type of soil Jesus talked about in the parable of the sower. It is in this mature (or as I like to say, 'maturing') place that we find peace and calmness in the face of the impending Judgment of Christ. Our works confirm our place in Christ and give us peace about that. Until we get to that place in our lives we have some level of fear about standing before God one day. It's a healthy fear. We should fear God and his Judgments. It's just that the more you mature in Christ, the less fear of that you're going to have. Confidence, as the scripture above says, comes from being loving like Christ is loving.

Do I work for a reward? Now I don't, (ok to be honest I do still slip up here and when i do ) I just pray to God I want to be more like Jesus, love people where they are at, forgive others who have hurt me, do to others as I would want them to do me.
May I suggest you adopt a new understanding of what your reward is. Without question you'll be praised for your love towards others, but the rewards we're talking about here are the potential impact your love and your work have on other people that would bring them to faith and service to Christ and who will then become your reward at the Judgment.

As to what rewards (over and above the ultimate reward ) we are given when we stand before God I have no idea.
The Bible is clear about this. Your reward is other people you lead to, or build up, into Christ.
I know this is not taught in the church, but the church can't even teach tithing the way the Bible plainly teaches it, so don't be surprised that the established church we honor and respect doesn't know some things that are plainly taught in our Bibles.

Our focus should be being like Jesus and and to be honest I think when we stand before God he will judge our heart attitude.
Yes, but a heart attitude will not earn you the particular reward of someone's presence in the kingdom if they don't respond to, or persevere in the kingdom message and end up being lost in the fires of the coming Judgment that divide this life from the next.

As for the reward I can only leave it up to him. He is fair and righteous in his judgement
Don't leave it up to him as in 'don't do anything and just see what happens'. You will have zero reward of others in the kingdom if you do that. You will have the reward of the kingdom itself, but you will have nothing to show for work that you never did in the first place on this side of the Judgment. You'll be like a person who escapes a burning house with nothing but his own body and has no reward of rescuing somebody else from the fire because they did not do anything to rescue them, or their efforts to do so ended up being in vain.
 
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So if my gift is on the line of encouragement and so Is another persons, does God give either of us a different level of faith to be an encourager?
Yes. That is what Paul is saying in Romans 12:3-8 NASB. You're only responsible to walk in the gift that you have, and to the extent that God has given you faith to do it.

If so why so?
I don't know.
Moses wished he'd just give the people the anointing that he had been given. And who could argue with that logic? It sure would have made it a lot easier for him, lol. Now, he was prophesying (whether he knew it or not) of the day that God would indeed give all his people the anointing of the Holy Spirit and be in the direct priestly service of God, but even still with that prophesy fulfilled in this New Covenant, that occurs according to the measure God has deemed it will happen. So I Don't know. Some are charged with more responsibilities (and the power to fulfill them) than others. It's just the way God does things.
 
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So if my gift is on the line of encouragement and so Is another persons, does God give either of us a different level of faith to be an encourager? If so why so? Whatever gifting we have been given
Good points wrigley.
The most intellectual answers I've heard you make yet.
I don't know the answers.
You've got me thinking.
I wish Brother Mike was here.
 
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