Redefining Morality

[Quath]

As far as stem cell research goes - there is no BAN on embryonic stem cell research. The issue is whether or not the government should pony up some cash to help with the research. If people want to fund embryonic stem cell research, let them.

That is not really true either. The government does pay for stem cell research for some lines of stem cells (but these lines are really not that good compared to newer ones).

Miscarriage?
Abortion is intentional.
So by blaming God that's an excuse for abortion?
God causes miscarriage? Or He simply allows what may to happen? Remember, man rebeled through pride in the Garden as Satan had done in heaven and what happens after that is God's fault?
Blame it on God. Adam did.

You believe that God designed the reproductive process, right? If so, then he designed for miscarriage. Saying that Adam ate a fruit and it messed up God's design makes little sense. God could easily fix it so there are no miscarriages even if Adam messed it up somehow.

 

[Rick W]

You believe that God designed the reproductive process, right? If so, then he designed for miscarriage. Saying that Adam ate a fruit and it messed up God's design makes little sense. God could easily fix it so there are no miscarriages even if Adam messed it up somehow.

lol

Still God's fault huh?
Wouldn't have been any need to "fix it" had man not rebeled in the first place.

Genesis 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Blaming God is nothing new. Man's been doing that for years and getting pretty good at it too. Someday maybe we'll get our desire for that perfect excuse we seem to be working so hard for. Who knows?

 

[christian_soldier]

Saying that Adam ate a fruit and it messed up God's design makes little sense.

1 Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

[Quath]

Still God's fault huh?
Wouldn't have been any need to "fix it" had man not rebeled in the first place.

Where do you disagree? Do you think that God could stop miscarriages? If so, then we have miscarriages because God wants for humans to have miscarriages. Do you disagree with that? If miscarriages were bad for the fetus, don't you think that God would choose not to harm them?

I am not sure where we disagree. You are just saying we do.

1 Corinthians 1:25

Wisdom can be explained. If there is wisdom in this, then we need enlightmentment. Otherwise, humans have to make the best decision they can with the information around them.

 

[Relic]

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Quath, And so, do you think there is no evil that comes to kill, steal and destroy?

Do you think there is no choice between the good and the evil and that the consequences of our choices is of no concern?

Should we not have any forethought as to the end result of our choices?

Do you think that any type of experimenting is acceptable?


Miscarriage happens because of a physical defect/imperfection. Imperfections in the material world are because of the fall of man (ignoring God). God takes what is imperfect and perfects it. Jesus came not to condemn the world but that the world might be saved through Him. Not through some man's, destroying and messing around with what was intended to be born into a life of it's own.


Man chooses there own destruction by going against the natural laws of God. Only the supernatural God can bring about miracles.
Man messing with what should not be messed with is only going to result in a mess, Period. Experimenting only proves that God's righteousness cannot be toyed with. God's laws stand firm. Einstein even knew that much, and the Frankenstein's of this day will know this also.

And you claim to be a physicist? Of course you know there are certain things that cannot be messed with, else you have one heck of a mess left in it's tracks. Surely you do... :-?


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[Quath]

. Do you think there is no choice between the good and the evil and that the consequences of our choices is of no concern?

I am more of a utilitarian. I tend to make decisions with the greater good in mind or that which helps the most people.

Miscarriage happens because of a physical defect/imperfection. Imperfections in the material world are because of the fall of man (ignoring God). God takes what is imperfect and perfects it.

So this sounds like you are saying that God could stop miscarriage and chooses not to. Is that right?

Or are you saying that embryos are being punished for their sinful nature?

And you claim to be a physicist? Of course you know there are certain things that cannot be messed with, else you have one heck of a mess left in it's tracks. Surely you do... :-?

But with infinite power and knowledge, there are very few concerns in this area. God could just decide that there will be no SIDS or miscarriages. If there is a mess (such as excessive number of births that threaten to overpopulate), God could fix it (like lowering fertality rates).

To me miscarriage appears to be random and just how nature operates. However, to a Christian it is tougher because nature has a consciousness (God) and therefore a miscarriage is what nature (God) wants to happen. And so that leads to some tough questions about why nature (God) want this. This is ultimately a problems with an anthropomorphic view of nature.