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RJS said:
1. Belgic Confession: http://www.prca.org/bc_index.html
2. Heidelberg Catechism: http://www.prca.org/hc_index.html
3. Canons of Dort: http://www.prca.org/cd_index.html
4. Westminster Confession: http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/
5. Westminster Shorter Catechism: http://www.reformed.org/documents/index ... rames.html
6. Westminster Larger Catechism: http://www.reformed.org/documents/wlc_w_proofs/
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You missed a few...
7. First London Baptist Confession 1644/46: http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/1646lbc.htm
8. Savoy Declaration: http://www.grace.org.uk/faith/savoy0.html
9. London Baptist Confession of 1689: http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html
 
JM said:
Epistimologically speaking, they are considered Reformed.
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You and your big words...I just don't see that they can be Reformed:

1. They do not understand the Covenant,
2. They do not understand the sacraments.
 
RJS said:
You and your big words...I just don't see that they can be Reformed:

1. They do not understand the Covenant,
2. They do not understand the sacraments.
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1. We have a different view of the Covenant.
2. We have a different view of the sacraments.

"Reformed Churches whose theology and polity stem from the Swiss Reformation. Originating in the work of Zwingli, Calvin, Bucer, Bullinger, Oeculampadius, and others..." Westminster Dictionary of Church History, Brauer page 698.
 
RJS said:
http://www.pbministries.org/Theology/La ... formed.htm
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Yes, I've seen it, don't you recall I'm the one that gave you the link for pbministries?

:lol:

You should also know that Baptists are not Anabaptists. As much as the good folks on that site would like to follow the Baptist "trail of blood," there's very little [if any] historical evidence for it. The Baptists came out of Puritan England/Reformed thought and theology, hence, epistimologically speaking the confessions listed are considered Reformed.

I have a hard time believing you'd deny the Savoy so quickly, it was written by John Owen the great Puritan teacher and preacher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Baptist

jm
 
JM said:
Yes, I've seen it, don't you recall I'm the one that gave you the link for pbministries?

:lol:

You should also know that Baptists are not Anabaptists. As much as the good folks on that site would like to follow the Baptist "trail of blood," there's very little [if any] historical evidence for it. The Baptists came out of Puritan England/Reformed thought and theology, hence, epistimologically speaking the confessions listed are considered Reformed.

I have a hard time believing you'd deny the Savoy so quickly, it was written by John Owen the great Puritan teacher and preacher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Baptist

jm
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My appologies I did not see the Savoy there :) I was incensed by the word 'Baptist'.

Chapter 29, Article 4: "Not only those that do actually profess faith in and obedience unto Christ, but also the infants of one or both believing parents are to be baptised, and those only. "

Yep, John Owen (another of my ecclesiastical heroes) was a theological giant and 100% Reformed.

Have you read: http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_7.html
 
RJS, here's a scary thought: "For this purpose he hath invested the magistracy with the sword, for the punishment of evil-doers, and for the protection of them that do well. And their office is, not only to have regard unto, and watch for the welfare of the civil state; but also that they protect the sacred ministry; and thus may remove and prevent all idolatry and false worship; that the kingdom of anti-Christ may be thus destroyed and the kingdom of Christ promoted." Article 36: Of Magistrates

Baptistic Confessional Superiority.
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.a ... 2203115913

With all due respect to my brother in Christ, RJS, study this issue for your selves.

John Piper's sermons on Baptism.
http://www.desiringgod.org/Search/?search=baptism

Reformed Reader is a massive site with a ton of info on the historic Baptist faith and message.
http://reformedreader.org/

The Disjunction of John's and Jesus' Baptism with Christian Baptism
http://www.founders.org/library/malone1 ... ext.html#6

A Reformed Baptist View of I Cor. 7:14
http://www.eng.auburn.edu/~sjreeves/personal/1cor.html

Acts 15, Church government.
http://www.reformedbaptist.co.uk/What%2 ... usalem.htm

Covenant theology.
http://www.founders.org/sermons/weekly.html

If you are into reading books I recommend you get Nehemiah Coxe's writing.... 'Covenant Theology From Adam to Christ'.
http://solid-ground-books.com/search.as ... +TO+CHRIST

And this would be a must read. A Reformed Baptist Manifesto.
http://solid-ground-books.com/search.as ... +Manifesto

RJS, just so you know how much in common Reformed Baptists have with other Reformed Churches, see "A Tabular Comparison of the 1646 WCF and the 1689 LBCF." http://www.rblist.org/1689vWCF.html

:wink:

Peace,

jm
 
JM said:
RJS, here's a scary thought: "For this purpose he hath invested the magistracy with the sword, for the punishment of evil-doers, and for the protection of them that do well. And their office is, not only to have regard unto, and watch for the welfare of the civil state; but also that they protect the sacred ministry; and thus may remove and prevent all idolatry and false worship; that the kingdom of anti-Christ may be thus destroyed and the kingdom of Christ promoted." Article 36: Of Magistrates
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I would heartily subscribe to this. Don't forget that in the UK our Queen (may her reign be long) is both the head of state and the supreme govenor of the Church:

Article 37 of the (39) Articles of Religion:

XXXVII. Of the Civil Magistrates.
HE Queen's Majesty hath the chief power in this realm of England and other her dominions, unto whom the chief government of all estates of this realm, whether they be ecclesiastical or civil, in all causes doth appertain, and is not nor ought to be subject to any foreign jurisdiction.
Where we attribute to the Queen's Majesty the chief government, by which titles we understand the minds of some slanderous folks to be offended, we give not to our princes the ministering either of God's word or of sacraments, the which thing the Injunctions also lately set forth by Elizabeth our Queen doth most plainly testify: but that only prerogative which we see to have been given always to all godly princes in Holy Scriptures by God himself, that is, that they should rule all estates and degrees committed to their charge by God, whether they be ecclesiastical or temporal, and restrain with the civil sword the stubborn and evil-doers. The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this realm of England.

When Archbishop Cranmer crowned King Edward the Sixth, from whom we get the Book of Common Prayer, likened him to the young Josiah.
 
The deaths of 30,000 Christians [the minority Christians that is] in Friesland during a short 11 years and you agree with this teaching?

 
JM said:
The deaths of 30,000 Christians [the minority Christians that is] in Friesland during a short 11 years and you agree with this teaching?

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I believe that the King/Queen (the Lord's annointed) ought to reform the National Church's worship and punish those who refuse to submit as did Josiah and the other godly kings of Israel.

The case that you point to I know nothing about so cannot possible comment.
 
You gotta love the comic! I was given a warning for having it as my sig on Christianforums.com.

:biggrin :oops:
 
JM said:
The deaths of 30,000 Christians [the minority Christians that is] in Friesland during a short 11 years and you agree with this teaching?

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ROYFLMHOOO!! 8-)
 
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