Bible Study Regeneration
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Stranger and pilgrim
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Jason said:
It is interesting to note that JNDarby taught that regeneration and the new-birth are different things. I believe that they are the same. u?
Blazin Bones
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Welcome to the forum Stranger and Pilgrim. As for Regeneration, I'm going to wait and she what direction this discussion goes.
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Jason said:
Regeneration is a new birth EVENT. How long does any event last? How long did your last year's birthday last? Regeneration, the new birth, lasts as long as it took you to become born again. How long does it take for someone to become born again?
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Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
I believe that John 9 sheds light on this issue:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Oh so are we, we are born in sin, spiritually still born unable to discern spiritual things.
6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
but God rich in mercy regenerates our blind heart. Notice that water is symbolic of the Holy Ghost. Link this to Titus 3:5 - "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"
25 He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.
30 The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes.
So do men open their own eyes? No! for:
32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
Now notice the distinction between regeneration ("New Birth") and conversion. Rebirth MUST occur before conversion. After the blind man had been given sight the following occured:
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
The gospel is given and there is no hesitation by the regenerated man, salvation is irresistable:
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
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Adams son
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Jason said:
Translation:
I believe regeneration takes place before we can believe based on my desire to adhere to Calvinism.
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Sara929
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It can be a seriously blow to our ego to believe that He may have had more to do with our salvation than us.
Sara929 said:
Thank you Sara.
I've believed from the time I came to the faith that God called me first. Believe it or not, I was happy in sin like a pig in muck. I didn't want to change, by the standards of the world I was doing just fine and I believed it. God changed my heart, I didn't.
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Jason said:
See at first I didn't, I thought it was a conscious choice by me... but upon examining the regeneration on my life. I've had to completely rule out that it was by me. I think generally we all start out with leanings towards arminian theology. Our mind doesn't want to let go of the idea that we were some how responsible.