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Resurrection of the dead in AD70

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Perhaps it's you that needs to join an appropriate church that doesn't teach end time madness.

My church is fantastic and preaches the word of God---period. It doesn't get off balance by fixating on eschatology. What is important is living for God and being an influence to the world for Jesus Christ.

I indeed have heard the Word for years by an excellent non-denom. church that would never & never did say the terms "second coming" or "end times"

Why? Because they taught about salvation & faith, & covered the OT much more than one hears in general.

That's good. Maybe that's something you ought to be doing, also?

Faith comes by hearing & hearing the word of God. But it absolutely depends on the doctrine they're teaching also.

Jesus said his apostles & disciples shouldn't be taken out of this world, period.

That sinks your "rapture in the sky" fiction right there.

All will physically die. It's the sad part of life- but since our hope & faith dictate an afterlife- we aren't to be in fear of dying & seek an escape from what happens to all mankind!

Nothing I believe is in opposition to any part of the word of God. The Rapture isn't an escapist belief. It is a promise in keeping with Jesus' being our Bridegroom, and His patterning His relationship with the betrothed Bride after the ancient Jewish wedding custom. It is completely discernible in Scripture from the Father's approval to the wedding feast--and everything in between.
 
My church is fantastic and preaches the word of God---period. It doesn't get off balance by fixating on eschatology. What is important is living for God and being an influence to the world for Jesus Christ.



That's good. Maybe that's something you ought to be doing, also?



Nothing I believe is in opposition to any part of the word of God. The Rapture isn't an escapist belief. It is a promise in keeping with Jesus' being our Bridegroom, and His patterning His relationship with the betrothed Bride after the ancient Jewish wedding custom. It is completely discernible in Scripture from the Father's approval to the wedding feast--and everything in between.

Speaking of the Wedding Feast folks, tell me who the parties described in scipture represent. My contention is that the Bidegroom is of course Jesus, the bride is the saints, and the invited guests are the "just" who have been rewarded with life in the age of ages.
For those who say that the church as opposed to the firstfruits harvest of the saints is the bride, how do you account for the guests?
 
Speaking of the Wedding Feast folks, tell me who the parties described in scipture represent. My contention is that the Bidegroom is of course Jesus, the bride is the saints, and the invited guests are the "just" who have been rewarded with life in the age of ages.
For those who say that the church as opposed to the firstfruits harvest of the saints is the bride, how do you account for the guests?

http://www.christianforums.net/f20/jewish-wedding-tradition-re-rapture-35290/#post528220
 
Speaking of the Wedding Feast folks, tell me who the parties described in scipture represent. My contention is that the Bidegroom is of course Jesus, the bride is the saints, and the invited guests are the "just" who have been rewarded with life in the age of ages.
For those who say that the church as opposed to the firstfruits harvest of the saints is the bride, how do you account for the guests?

The ones who wouldn't come were Israel of the flesh- who God was married to until the 1st century when Jesus came in the flesh & they rejected His deity.
It was all in God's divine endtime Plan for mankind's salvation story though. Jesus told the Pharisees & leaders of the synagogue that the wrath to come was all about the all the blood shed on earth, from Abel to Zechariah - that generation would be held accountable for. They would be cast out of the Wedding (iows) while the faithful (in the parable context it's faithful of Israel)

But we are part of the bride too- on earth. In our new Jerusalem the salvation call still goes out to those outside the gates of the church. "the Spirit & the bride say come!" Come drink the living water of life is an invitation to the abundant life & spiritual life in Christ Jesus.

And He will sup with those who ask. (Rev.3)
 
The ones who wouldn't come were Israel of the flesh- who God was married to until the 1st century when Jesus came in the flesh & they rejected His deity.
It was all in God's divine endtime Plan for mankind's salvation story though. Jesus told the Pharisees & leaders of the synagogue that the wrath to come was all about the all the blood shed on earth, from Abel to Zechariah - that generation would be held accountable for. They would be cast out of the Wedding (iows) while the faithful (in the parable context it's faithful of Israel)

But we are part of the bride too- on earth. In our new Jerusalem the salvation call still goes out to those outside the gates of the church. "the Spirit & the bride say come!" Come drink the living water of life is an invitation to the abundant life & spiritual life in Christ Jesus.

And He will sup with those who ask. (Rev.3)

Lehigh3,

Have you ever read 'Expectations Demand A First Century Rapture' by Edward E. Stevens? I came across some info on it on this site http://loyaltytotruth.com/Bookstore...emand-a-first-century-rapture-stevens-ed.aspx and I plan on taking a look at it.
 
And since heaven was made available at Christ's parousia in AD70 & the temple went down for us to enter the holy of holies- like Abraham - we go to heaven & God gives us the body in heaven at our physical death when the spirit returns to God.

We can enter the holy of holies now because the veil was torn at the death of Jesus on Calvary.
 
We can enter the holy of holies now because the veil was torn at the death of Jesus on Calvary.

Heaven wasn't made available right after the Cross or ascension. Christ had to 1st enter the Holy of Holies for us & sit at the right hand of power while His enemies were made His footstool. At His Parousia, they drank the fruit of the vine ANEW in the kingdom of heaven.

Hebrews explains how salvation or redemption would be sealed by His second appearing (over the skies of Jerusalem) when He put down those who were persecuting the church "with tribulation" ~see 2Thess.1.

No more were the dead sequestered in sheol as disembodied spirits awaiting a time to rise to their glorious inheritance in heaven.

Hebrews makes it quite clear that Christ's 2nd appearing was to seal salvation for the Hebrew Christians who left the city (1st the Jew then the Greek)

Hebrew 1:1- 2 NKJV,
God’s Supreme Revelation

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days [of old covenant Israel- this written about AD65]spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

Hebrews 9 in its entirety:
The Earthly Sanctuary


1 Then indeed, even the first
covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary. 2 For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which waswere the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant; 5 and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail.Limitations of the Earthly Service
the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; 3 and behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of All, 4 which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which

6 Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the first part of the tabernacle, performing
the services. 7 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; 8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience— 10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.The Heavenly Sanctuary


11 But Christ came
as High Priest of the good things to come,[a] with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.The Mediator’s Death Necessary


16 For where there
is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant “This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.â€[b] 21 Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.Greatness of Christ’s Sacrifice
was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying,

23
Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

The Cross was for sin (1st advent) the Parousia(2nd advent) for salvation:
Luke 21:25-28 NKJV
The Coming of the Son of Man


25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redempton draws near.â€
 
Lehigh3,

Have you ever read 'Expectations Demand A First Century Rapture' by Edward E. Stevens? I came across some info on it on this site http://loyaltytotruth.com/Bookstore...emand-a-first-century-rapture-stevens-ed.aspx and I plan on taking a look at it.

T.O.T,
Yes, i did buy that book. Criticism about Ed Stevens- although a full Preterist- is also a Preterist "rapturist?" IOWs, he believes there was a literal & i guess somewhat secretive rapture of the saints in AD70. He tries to make a good case or excuse for everyone not missing the missing, but in reality, it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. We have only to acknowledge 2 witnesses stating they saw the apostle John post AD70- & that blows Ed's case for a literal rapture.
Most full Preterists are postmillennialists I guess- believing the 40 yr. AD26-66 "millennium" where the apostles figuratively "sat on thrones" as judges of Israel - in the regeneration while the strongman was bound (satan) from letting the nations receive the gospel.

I would rather recommend "Who is this Babylon" by Don K. Preston. You can buy it at eschatology.org
It's a classic.
 
The very second that veil in the temple was torn in two, the way was made for every believer in Jesus Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, to go right to the Father.

Before the cross, the high priest had to enter the Holy of Holies through the veil. Now Christ is our superior High Priest, and as believers in His finished work, we partake of His better priesthood. We can now enter the Holy of Holies through Him. Hebrews 10:19-20 says that the faithful enter into the sanctuary by the “blood of Jesus, by the new and living way which he opened for us through the veil, that is, through his flesh.†Here we see the image of Jesus’ flesh being torn for us just as He was tearing the veil for us.

The veil being torn from top to bottom is a fact of history. The profound significance of this event is explained in glorious detail in Hebrews. The things of the temple were shadows of things to come, and they all ultimately point us to Jesus Christ. He was the veil to the Holy of Holies, and through His death the faithful now have free access to God.

The veil in the temple was a constant reminder that sin renders humanity unfit for the presence of God. The fact that the sin offering was offered annually and countless other sacrifices repeated daily showed graphically that sin could not truly be atoned for or erased by mere animal sacrifices. Jesus Christ, through His death, has removed the barriers between God and man, and now we may approach Him with confidence and boldness (Hebrews 4:14-16).


What was the significance of the temple veil being torn in two when Jesus died?
 
The very second that veil in the temple was torn in two, the way was made for every believer in Jesus Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, to go right to the Father.

Before the cross, the high priest had to enter the Holy of Holies through the veil. Now Christ is our superior High Priest, and as believers in His finished work, we partake of His better priesthood. We can now enter the Holy of Holies through Him. Hebrews 10:19-20 says that the faithful enter into the sanctuary by the “blood of Jesus, by the new and living way which he opened for us through the veil, that is, through his flesh.†Here we see the image of Jesus’ flesh being torn for us just as He was tearing the veil for us.

The veil being torn from top to bottom is a fact of history. The profound significance of this event is explained in glorious detail in Hebrews. The things of the temple were shadows of things to come, and they all ultimately point us to Jesus Christ. He was the veil to the Holy of Holies, and through His death the faithful now have free access to God.

The veil in the temple was a constant reminder that sin renders humanity unfit for the presence of God. The fact that the sin offering was offered annually and countless other sacrifices repeated daily showed graphically that sin could not truly be atoned for or erased by mere animal sacrifices. Jesus Christ, through His death, has removed the barriers between God and man, and now we may approach Him with confidence and boldness (Hebrews 4:14-16).


What was the significance of the temple veil being torn in two when Jesus died?

Yes, you went off topic. Heb.4 is indeed speaking of Christ's death & the "by grace you have been saved" state- but I am referring to Jesus' Parousia- or our translation to heavenly places & the resurrection of the dead from Hades.
Heaven was only being prepared for us at the Cross.
Heb.10:23-26,
23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

Let's keep on in Hebrews from Cross to Parousia:
Heb.10:36-39 NKJV,
36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:
37 “ For yet a little while,
And He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.â€

39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.


Heb.12:25-28 NKJV,
Hear the Heavenly Voice


25 See that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if they did not escape who refused Him who spoke on earth, much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him who speaks from heaven, 26 whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I shake not only the earth, but also heaven.†27 Now this, “Yet once more,†indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Heaven & earth was also a symbol for Israel. The "things" which could be removed from old heaven & earth - but not from the kingdom which they received was shaken out, to make way for the new.

Note the audience relevance & timing. "They" are said to be receiving the kingdom. It's when it began - at the 7th trumpet.
 
His coming in 70AD was spiritual and it's purpose was to inflict wrath. The promise of His return in the first book of Acts was a physical return and any attempt to allegorize that passage does it injustice.

The veil was torn at that specific time for a purpose. It wasn't a coincidence that it tore at the very time of Jesus' death.

Jesus taught that the Kingdom was in their very midst.

Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.
 
His coming in 70AD was spiritual and it's purpose was to inflict wrath. The promise of His return in the first book of Acts was a physical return and any attempt to allegorize that passage does it injustice.

The veil was torn at that specific time for a purpose. It wasn't a coincidence that it tore at the very time of Jesus' death.

Jesus taught that the Kingdom was in their very midst.

Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.

How many times is Jesus coming then? So you, the admin, are a Preterist? so, to you, we are living in the Millennium, where the swords are beaten into ploughshares, and spears into pruning hooks?

Isaiah 2:4 NKJV
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.



Seems like a very warlike world, doesn't it?
 
How many times is Jesus coming then? So you, the admin, are a Preterist? so, to you, we are living in the Millennium, where the swords are beaten into ploughshares, and spears into pruning hooks?

Isaiah 2:4 NKJV
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.



Seems like a very warlike world, doesn't it?


Isaiah 2-4 is a prophecy about the Day of the Lord at the end of the Mosaic age- on Jerusalem & Judah.
This is prophecy was fulfilled & confirmed in history.

The "peace" they were supposed learn "the things that made for Zion's peace" is what the Jewish REMNANT was to learn.

Zion was to be redeemed. It was 1st pure- then became lost since Adam- then would be Zion redeemed.

This is spiritual & prophetic. It is is not material & physical like the unrighteous Jews of Jesus' generation, who wanted a material kingdom.

Jesus told them His kingdom was not of this world.

Therefore it is anti-Biblical to say there would have been or even would be a physical material millennium kingdom.

Man- made prophecy in modern times - makes $ selling books to such fiction.

Ice & Lahaye are afraid that the wise will read history & Josephus & realize how they have been deluding ppl for profit!
 
Not everything is spiritual and ethereal. Much prophecy is hard and fast and physically manifest.

Isaiah 2:4 NKJV
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.



We will see the 1000 year rule of Christ on Earth, and that is the time of His peace where our arms will be laid down and the events of that verse comes to pass.
 
Not everything is spiritual and ethereal. Much prophecy is hard and fast and physically manifest.

Isaiah 2:4 NKJV
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.



We will see the 1000 year rule of Christ on Earth, and that is the time of His peace where our arms will be laid down and the events of that verse comes to pass.
"Prophecy is hard & fast & physically manifest" Whoa, if so, then you know it had to have come! And it did. Isaiah & prophets speak of EVENTS in prophetic language. And the EVENTS are what was physical & manifested in the natural. And at least you are beginning to use a better Bible version! :yes

Yet posting quotes from scripture over & over is not support for understanding the prophecies. I see an opinion but nothing that is in line with prophecy from Isaiah OR any prophet. Where does it say the Jews would get the material kingdom you want?
Isaiah 2 prophesied that their would be no more war under the Messianic reign. Ephesians says that not only is there peace with God, there is also peace with each other, specifically that the middle wall of partition has been broken down between Jew and Gentile. This peace treaty brought about by the the precious blood of Christ could very well be that which we see in Isaiah 11 as it also says, "they shall neither hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain." This mountain corresponds directly with Isaiah 2:

  • Isaiah 2:1-5 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. {2} And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. {3} And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. {4} And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. {5} O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.
Both interpretations have strong arguments. However, the greatest argument showing the fulfillment of Isaiah 11 is found in Romans 15:
  • Romans 15:8-12 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: {9} And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. {10} And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. {11} And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. {12} And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
It says that Jesus Christ was a minister...to confirm the promises made unto the fathers. Luke says the same thing:
  • Luke 1:68-75 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, {69} And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; {70} As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: {71} That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; {72} to perform the mercy promised unto our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; {73} The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, {74} That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, {75} In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
Paul in Romans then proceeds to show several promises made to the fathers. One of these promises comes from Isaiah 11:
  • Romans 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
Both of these elements (the Root of Jesse and the Gentiles trusting in Him) are found in Isaiah. But what is interesting is that one of the elements is found in Isaiah 11:1:
  • Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
The other element is found in verse 10:
  • Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.~ From Preterist.com- Wolf & Lamb metaphor of "peace"


    This peace like a river is discerned in Isaiah 66 also.

    And I will conclude with Romans 15:13 NKJV

13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Praise God! :D









 
Well to begin, the thought that the new heavens and new Earth began with the advent of Jesus in the 1st century is flawed. Secondly, clinging to the idea of there being but a single physical resurrection and a spiritual resurrection when one "puts on Christ" in faith ultimately leads to error.

We must understand that the bible mentions various resurrections that are all real physical occurances. Some have already taken place and there is yet at least one other one that has not. The scriptures are fairly clear that the Anointed One was to begin his reign on the throne of the kingdom by the end of the 1st century. We are also told that he would come in judgment and to gather his elect within the lifetime of his contemporaries. Why then is it so hard to understand that he did just what he said he would do and that in keeping his word, there was a LITERAL resurrection AT HIS COMING as 1 Cor 15 says that took place. Those who were party to this resurrection were likely those who had been martyred and sealed by God's Holy Breath. Those individuals along with the ones who were "alive and remained" at Jesus' coming were in fact "raptured" at that time, clothed with immortality, and since then have been reigning with Jesus in his kingdom as his 'bride'.

Now, looking at 1 Cor 15:
24 Then in the end, after he has brought all governments, authorities, and powers to nothing, he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father. 25 For, he must rule [as king] until [God] will have put all his enemies under his feet. 26 And then the last enemy, death, will be invalidated.27 Yes, [God] puts everything under his feet; but when He says that everything has been put under him, it’s obvious that this [means] everything except He who put everything under him. 28 However, after everything has been put under him, then the Son will submit to the One who put everything under him, so God can be everything to everyone.

Notice how Paul distinguishes the "end" spoken of in this passage. He defines it as the time after Jesus has brought all governments and powers to nothing and he tells us that the rule or reign lasts until all enemies culminating with death has been defeated.

Revelation 20:11
11 Then I saw someone sitting on a huge white throne, before whom both the earth and the sky had vanished and couldn’t be found. 12 Then I saw the dead – the great and the small – standing before the throne, and several scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, which was the Scroll of Life. And the dead were then judged by the things that were written in the scrolls, according to the things that they had done.
13 The sea gave up its dead, death and the grave gave up those dead in them, and they were all judged by the things they had done. 14 And finally, death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire (the lake of fire symbolizes the second death). 15 And anyone whose name wasn’t found written in the Scroll of Life was also thrown into the lake of fire.

In the above passage we have another resurrection scenario.
This described scenario has yet to happen.
 
I believe the return of Christ is literal and physical,every eye will see Him,He will actually come through the sky,with angels and a trumpet blast, and He will physically gather the believers off the earth up into the sky and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 
Oh boy, you must be retired, Truthovertradition!

I have some family obligations even tonight, after a very busy day.

Hope to be able to respond accurately to your questions soon. Life calls. But let me just remind you that Jesus & the N.T. writers all related the hope of heaven for us.

That being said, I hope to look at your questions with fresh eyes tomorrow.

Thanks. God Bless.
 
Oh boy, you must be retired, Truthovertradition!

I have some family obligations even tonight, after a very busy day.

Hope to be able to respond accurately to your questions soon. Life calls. But let me just remind you that Jesus & the N.T. writers all related the hope of heaven for us.

That being said, I hope to look at your questions with fresh eyes tomorrow.

Thanks. God Bless.

I had multiple windows opened and I posted my last response to the wrong thread, my bad. I meant to post it to the Pros & Cons of Preterism page. Anyhow, I am interested in seeing scriptural evidence that suggests that a heavenly inheritance is promised to all believers. From what I read in the scriptures, Heaven was mentioned as a reward very sparingly and in fact not until Jesus in the NT brought it up in reference to the Kingdom. It seems like the heavenly promise was made by Jesus to a select group as opposed to all believers of all time. The hope of the righteous that Jesus made possible according to how I currently understand scripture is not Heaven, but rather LIFE.

(Jn 10:10b).... I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly.

(Jn 5:39-40).. "You search the Scriptures, because you suppose that in them you will find the Life of the Ages; and it is those scriptures that yield testimony concerning me; and yet you are unwilling to come to me that you may have Life.

(Jn 6:68)..."Master," replied Simon Peter, "to whom shall we go? Your teachings tell us of the Life of the Ages.

(Jn 11:25)..."I am the Resurrection and the Life," said Jesus; "he who believes in me, even if he has died, he shall live;

(Rom 6:21-23)...What fruit had ye then in those things of which ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from the tyranny of Sin, and have become the bondservants of God, you have your reward in being made holy, and you have the Life of the Ages as the final result. For the wages paid by Sin are death; but God's free gift is the Life of the Ages bestowed upon us in Christ Jesus our Lord.

(1 Jn 2:24-25) .... As for you, let the teaching which you have received from the very beginning continue in your hearts. If that teaching does continue in your hearts, you also will continue to be in union with the Son and with the Father. And this is the promise which He Himself has given us--the Life of the Ages.
 
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