Revelation 20:4-6

[n2thelight]

Paul is not referring to physical death in 1Cor. 15. It's about spiritual death and covenantal death in the Law. "the sting of death is the law"
This is also why he says we are not perfected in the flesh but in the spirit.
Born of water= old covenant= law
Born of Spirit= new covenant = grace (body is dead to sin & is a spiritual body)

Can't be what he's talking about,not in the context of the verses.....

He states,we shall not all sleep(die)...You would have me change this to,we shall not all die a spiritual death.....

So what is the change?

As long as you are in the flesh you will sin,that's why we repent......

The flesh must and will die in order for the spirit to come out,this happens either at death or the last trump.....So again when the last trump sounds,the age of the flesh

This is why Paul woul also say

II Corinthians 5:6 "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:"

This is physically speaking, that when you are living within your flesh body, you are not present with the Lord in heaven. This is not speaking spiritually, for when you are in Christ, He is in you. But physically your body is on earth and our Heavenly Father is in heaven. To understand this, we have to understand the three offices of the Godhead.

The Holy Spirit is in us and with us now in this age of the flesh. The Son of God, Jesus Christ will be coming back at the seventh trumpet to establish His Millennium thousand year kingdom, and He will be on earth in person living with us at this time. Though we are on earth, the age of this flesh and blood bodies will not be here, but we will all be living in our inner man bodies, the spiritual bodies that will be clothed in our righteous acts. Then after the Millennium age and after judgment day, the full Godhead will be here on earth and we will be living in a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth will be passed away. It will be a rejuvenated earth.

II Corinthians 5:8 "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

Again at death or the last trump,we shall be present with the Lord

 

[Lehigh3]

Can't be what he's talking about,not in the context of the verses.....

He states,we shall not all sleep(die)...You would have me change this to,we shall not all die a spiritual death.....

So what is the change?

As long as you are in the flesh you will sin,that's why we repent......

The flesh must and will die in order for the spirit to come out,this happens either at death or the last trump.....So again when the last trump sounds,the age of the flesh

This is why Paul woul also say

II Corinthians 5:6 "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:"

This is physically speaking, that when you are living within your flesh body, you are not present with the Lord in heaven. This is not speaking spiritually, for when you are in Christ, He is in you. But physically your body is on earth and our Heavenly Father is in heaven. To understand this, we have to understand the three offices of the Godhead.

The Holy Spirit is in us and with us now in this age of the flesh. The Son of God, Jesus Christ will be coming back at the seventh trumpet to establish His Millennium thousand year kingdom, and He will be on earth in person living with us at this time. Though we are on earth, the age of this flesh and blood bodies will not be here, but we will all be living in our inner man bodies, the spiritual bodies that will be clothed in our righteous acts. Then after the Millennium age and after judgment day, the full Godhead will be here on earth and we will be living in a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth will be passed away. It will be a rejuvenated earth.

II Corinthians 5:8 "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

Again at death or the last trump,we shall be present with the Lord

Again, in 1Cor.15, Paul speaks of a spiritual resurrection from the law of sin & death after those who were asleep rose to their heavenly inheritance.
In 2 Cor. Paul speaks about how we all lay down our tents (bodies) at death- He never says he or anyone else is raptured to heaven without physically dying to be present with the Lord.

Comprende yet? I hope so.
Again, 1 Cor.15 Paul speaks of a spiritual resurrection for the living. 2 Cor. 4:16-5:5, Paul speaks of the physical death for us all.

 

[n2thelight]

Again, in 1Cor.15, Paul speaks of a spiritual resurrection from the law of sin & death after those who were asleep rose to their heavenly inheritance.
In 2 Cor. Paul speaks about how we all lay down our tents (bodies) at death- He never says he or anyone else is raptured to heaven without physically dying to be present with the Lord.

Comprende yet? I hope so.
Again, 1 Cor.15 Paul speaks of a spiritual resurrection for the living. 2 Cor. 4:16-5:5, Paul speaks of the physical death for us all.

Yes we will lay down our tents at death,however you keep missing the biggest point,Paul say we will not all sleep(die)

We are changed automatically when we die,but not all will die,for those that don't, the change comes at the last trump...

Either you will die and be changed or changed at the last trump,period....

 

[Lehigh3]

Yes we will lay down our tents at death,however you keep missing the biggest point,Paul say we will not all sleep(die)

We are changed automatically when we die,but not all will die,for those that don't, the change comes at the last trump...

Either you will die and be changed or changed at the last trump,period....

Since the "last trump" has been "blown" I agree with half of your last sentence. "you will die and be changed" Uh, that is supposed to be the great hope for Christians. "If we only have hope for Christ in this life,...." well, you know the rest!

"it is appointed for man to die once, then the judgment." (Heb.9:27)

So Paul meant that not all the Corinthians would "sleep" or "die" before the resurrection. The dead would literally be raised to heaven & the living would be changed (resurrected in spirit, free from the law of sin & death, free from the sting of death.

 

[n2thelight]

Since the "last trump" has been "blown" I agree with half of your last sentence. "you will die and be changed" Uh, that is supposed to be the great hope for Christians. "If we only have hope for Christ in this life,...." well, you know the rest!

"it is appointed for man to die once, then the judgment." (Heb.9:27)

So Paul meant that not all the Corinthians would "sleep" or "die" before the resurrection. The dead would literally be raised to heaven & the living would be changed (resurrected in spirit, free from the law of sin & death, free from the sting of death.

The last trump has yet to sound....Paul meant that all would not die before the last trump.At that last trump,all would be changed from flesh to spirit,since people are still dying we are not free from death,in Christ however,we need not fear the second death,which is the death of the soul.......

 

[Sinthesis]

The last trump has yet to sound....Paul meant that all would not die before the last trump.At that last trump,all would be changed from flesh to spirit,since people are still dying we are not free from death,in Christ however,we need not fear the second death,which is the death of the soul.......

Should we, "in Christ however", fear the first death?

 

[noble]

Hi Lehigh3;

"it is appointed for man to die once, then the judgment." (Heb.9:27)

So Paul meant that not all the Corinthians would "sleep" or "die" before the
resurrection. The dead would literally be raised to heaven & the living
would be changed (resurrected in spirit, free from the law of sin & death,
free from the sting of death.

Yes Lehigh, I agree. Paul wrote to the Corintians and said WE will not all sleep... yep because this takes place in the generation Paul was a part of, it follows that some would live until the last trump and some would die before it sounded. However, whether they lived or died... they would ALL be changed. The cahnge doesn't involve getting a 'glorious ' body what ever that is, they were CHANGED to the state where no believer ever had to sleep anymore, the kingdom of heaven was fully operational, open for business!

Death, the death of Romans 5:14, was abolished as of 2 Tim 1:10.

noble