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Revelation prophecy is happening now?

GBMS

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I suspect that many people are missing the fact that Revelation may be almost completely fulfilled, because they are looking for the literal manifestation of prophecy.

In other words, when Revelation talks about a star falling from the sky, people tend to say, 'That has not happened yet.' When Revelation says we will not be able to buy and sell without the mark of the beast, people tend to say,' That has not happened yet.' Well, I believe that it has.

Think about it. We are all buying and selling with bar coded and microchipped cards and technology right now. Almost all of our transactions are already that way. So why are we waiting for it to still come true? The power is already there for someone to press a button on a computer and take an individual out of business - totally. The government has already shown that it can and will do so to its enemies by 'freezing their assets.'

I was reading Revelation one day and came across the part that says that a third of the fish would die and that a third of the forest would follow the same route and that a third of the water would become undrinkable. Then I switched on CNN and listened to a report that said that a third of the fish in the oceans had already been destroyed! Similarly, deforestation has destroyed more than a third of our forests and a third of the world's fresh water is probably polluted and undrinkable right now. Point is why are we waiting for prophecy to still come true, when it is already true?

Think back to Daniel's vision of the statue and the rock that rolled down and smashed it. The reality is that there was no statue and there was no rock, but we can see that the prophecy was fulfilled by the coming of four kingdoms and the Church. In other words, the Bible uses imagery that is not necessarily literal, but the message proves to be true.

The same can be said of Revelation. Almost all of its message has come to pass and is true right now. If what I am saying is correct, then there is very little indeed, that remains to be fulfilled and we are probably very, very near to the end.

Just a thought.
 
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Sorry, but I don't buy it. Of course the first chapter of Revelation took place a long time ago, like 95 AD. The last chapter speaks of a time far in our future, when this earth is destroyed and replaced. Therefore, somewhere inbetween, we arrive at a crossing, a place in the timeline that we are now. That crossing is between the 5th and 6th seals. We have not yet seen a worldwide earthquake such as will happen at the sixth seal. Therefore, the last two seals, all the trumpets, and all the vials are in our future. Believe it!

Coop
 
Revelation 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"

This verse is the key to understanding the book of Revelation. Without a clear and full understanding of it, the entire book just will not make sense. The sequence of order will seem strange.

"I"; this is John speaking and telling us where he was. "I was in the Spirit", not in his flesh body; "on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet". John is taken forward in time, "in the Spirit", to the day of the Lord. The "Day of the Lord" is not referring to Sunday or Saturday. This is the same "Day of the Lord" Paul speaks about in I Thessalonians 5:2, as "coming as a thief in the night". Later in II Thessalonians 2:2-3 Paul makes it clear that at the "Day of the Lord" Christ's return will not happen until "after there will be a great falling away first; and "that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition". Satan must be revealed in his role as the Antichrist first, before that seventh trumpet can sound, the last trumpet.

The time, or day, John was taken to was beyond our time frame, however we are living in the generation that will see it come to pass, and live through what John saw and lived, while in the Spirit. There is only one day that is called "The Day of the Lord" in all the Scriptures.

Isaiah 2:12 "For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low."

This is the day that our Lord returns. This is the day "God's cup of wrath" is poured out upon His enemies. So John was taken in the Spirit to the last day of this earth age, before the start of the age of the Millennium. If you are still in your flesh body, that day hasn't happened yet, and it is still future to us.

Every verse that you read in Revelation from this verse to the end of chapter twenty two, will be viewed from the Lord's day, either looking backwards or forwards a short period of time. If you don't come to that point of time in your understanding with John, the rest of what he is saying just will not make sense.
 
Or JOhn is simply telling us that he was praying on a Sunday, (the Lord's day) and was taken into the realm of the Spirit, and shown visions of his past, the present time (95 AD) and events of the future.

For example, the first thing that happened was Jesus telling him to write letters to seven churches that existed in about 95 AD. Wouldn't that be a little strange coming from a time still future to us? None of these seven churches exist now, and will undoubtedly not exist in the future.

This would make perfect sense coming from the time of 95 AD.

John is told:

1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

If John is taken to the future time, still ahead of us, into the day of the Lord, then the things that "are" would be day of the Lord things. What then would be future? Only the last two chapters or so of the book. It just makes more sense that the things that "are" relate to about 95 AD, the time that John was living in.

After JOhn had received the vision of what he should write to the churches, he is then shown a vision of the throne room of God - but a throne room of God IN THE PAST! Yes, John is allowed to see into the throne room of the past, to a time before Jesus rose from the dead. Again, this would be very strange coming from the day of the Lord yet in our future. It makes much more sense that John was praying on a Sunday, the Lord's day, the day that Jesus rose from the dead, approximately 95 AD, and was then shown visions. John does not get to things pretaining to the day of the Lord, until the seventh seal. From that time on, He discusses things pertaining to the day of the Lord.

Therefore, as usual, I disagree with onelove. Let the readers decide.

Coop
 
coop
Or JOhn is simply telling us that he was praying on a Sunday, (the Lord's day) and was taken into the realm of the Spirit, and shown visions of his past, the present time (95 AD) and events of the future.

This verse has nothing whatsoever to do about a day of the week,the Lords day in this verse is the same as the Day of the Lord,which had not happened as John wrote this book

Isaiah 2:12 (Whole Chapter)
For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:


Isaiah 13:6 (Whole Chapter)
Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.


Isaiah 13:9 (Whole Chapter)
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.


Jeremiah 46:10 (Whole Chapter)
For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.


Ezekiel 13:5 (Whole Chapter)
Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.


Ezekiel 30:3 (Whole Chapter)
For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.


Joel 1:15 (Whole Chapter)
Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.


Joel 2:1 (Whole Chapter)
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;


Joel 2:11 (Whole Chapter)
And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?


Joel 2:31 (Whole Chapter)
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.


Joel 3:14 (Whole Chapter)
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.


Amos 5:18 (Whole Chapter)
Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.


Amos 5:20 (Whole Chapter)
Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?


Obadiah 1:15 (Whole Chapter)
For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.


Zephaniah 1:7 (Whole Chapter)
Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.


Zephaniah 1:14 (Whole Chapter)
The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.


Zechariah 14:1 (Whole Chapter)
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.


Malachi 4:5 (Whole Chapter)
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:


Acts 2:20 (Whole Chapter)
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:


1 Corinthians 5:5 (Whole Chapter)
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.


2 Corinthians 1:14 (Whole Chapter)
As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are our's in the day of the Lord Jesus.


1 Thessalonians 5:2 (Whole Chapter)
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.


2 Peter 3:10 (Whole Chapter)
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Not one of the above verses is speaking about a day of the week,not one


For example, the first thing that happened was Jesus telling him to write letters to seven churches that existed in about 95 AD. Wouldn't that be a little strange coming from a time still future to us? None of these seven churches exist now, and will undoubtedly not exist in the future.

You are totally missing the meaning of these letters

The "seven churches" of Asia are formed into a circle geographically, and these churches are symbolizing of all the churches around the globe today. They are symbolic of all the forms of church doctrine represented in the Christian world today. God is not the God of the Middle East, but of the universe; of all the world.

And the key to understand the doctrines that are being taught in our Churches today is to focus on the two Churches that Christ found no fault with,and why.
 
onelove said:
coop
Or JOhn is simply telling us that he was praying on a Sunday, (the Lord's day) and was taken into the realm of the Spirit, and shown visions of his past, the present time (95 AD) and events of the future.

This verse has nothing whatsoever to do about a day of the week,the Lords day in this verse is the same as the Day of the Lord,which had not happened as John wrote this book

(Many verses about the "day of the Lord" removed to keep this post short.)

Not one of the above verses is speaking about a day of the week,not one

Was John not able to write "day of the Lord?" He wrote, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day..."
He could have written "I was taken into the future, to see the "day of the Lord," or "I was in the Spirit seeing the "day of the Lord." He could have written this many other ways to convey what onelove thinks he meant. But he only said that he was in the spirit on the Lord's day. There is a saying, about proper exegesis of the bible, that goes like this: "Why seek another sense when common or literal sense makes sense." (Author unknown). This is a good axiom to keep in mind with this verse: it makes good sense to understand it in the simplest sense: John is in the spirit on the Lord's day. There is no other time in the bible that the "day of the Lord" is refered to as "the Lord's day." But people have called Sunday "the Lord's day" since Jesus rose from the dead on that day, and for the most part, the church has held worship services on that day. John writes nothing about the "day of the Lord" until the sixth chapter: "the great day of his wrath is come..." He mentions "that day" only one more time, in chapter 16: "that great day of God Almighty."

We do see a hint that the early church worshipped on Sunday, the first day of the week:

Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them,


Therefore it seems much more likely that what John meant was that it was on a Sunday, he was praying, and was taken into the realm of the Spirit.


[quote:3bea9]For example, the first thing that happened was Jesus telling him to write letters to seven churches that existed in about 95 AD. Wouldn't that be a little strange coming from a time still future to us? None of these seven churches exist now, and will undoubtedly not exist in the future.

You are totally missing the meaning of these letters

The "seven churches" of Asia are formed into a circle geographically, and these churches are symbolizing of all the churches around the globe today. They are symbolic of all the forms of church doctrine represented in the Christian world today. God is not the God of the Middle East, but of the universe; of all the world.

And the key to understand the doctrines that are being taught in our Churches today is to focus on the two Churches that Christ found no fault with,and why.[/quote:3bea9]
Yet wouldn't it be silly that this was written to the seven churches in existence then, but had no meaning for them? No, each letter had special meaning to that specific church at that time, approximately 95 AD. And each letter has meaning for us today; as we say, "if the shoe fits..." For example, an individual can read about losing their first love, and think, "that fits me..." and determine to gain back that love.

Coop
 
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