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Rick Warren's theological errors

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I have a problem with Rick Warren, and his purpose driven church speil.

Rick Warren's "Purpose-Driven Church" is not only part of the Apostasy foretold at the End of the Age, but is one of the 4 religious factors driving the world toward the New Age goal called a "Religious Paradigm Shift". With his New Age background, author Warren Smith had no difficulty spotting the major, serious New Age underpinnings of the "Purpose-Driven Church". Smith is well aware of the unprecedented spiritual deception occurring right now in "Christian" religious circles; it is just as our Lord forewarned in Matthew 24:4, 11, 24.

This says it rather succinctly:

http://www.swrc.com/subscriptions/po/2005/march.htm

Let us suppose that a salesman came to your door with a huge box of freshly baked cookies. The cookies are beautiful and smell delicious. As you appear interested, the salesman offers to sell you enough for the whole church for only $1,000. (The is approximately what the PDL programs cost each church.)

You say, "But what are the dark spots in the cookies?"

The salesman responds, "Oh, the cookies are made out of the finest flour, sugars, and spices available. However, 20 percent of the cookie's volume is cow manure."

You say, "But how will the church members eat those cookies with the manure in them?"

The salesman answers, "No problem. Just tell them to spit out the dark spots of the cow manure and eat the rest of the cookie."

The reader will probably conclude that this is a terrible example, which it is. But what about the 70,000 pastors who have disseminated copies of The Purpose Driven Life to their memberships that encourage replacing the Authorized Version Bibles with The Message? Have they no responsibility?
 
that book was lame I said LAME. How any Christian could fall for the tripe in that waist of paper blows my mind. It just goes to show the ignorance breed in pews.
 
Biblereader said:
I have a problem with Rick Warren, and his purpose driven church speil.

Rick Warren's "Purpose-Driven Church" is not only part of the Apostasy foretold at the End of the Age, but is one of the 4 religious factors driving the world toward the New Age goal called a "Religious Paradigm Shift". With his New Age background, author Warren Smith had no difficulty spotting the major, serious New Age underpinnings of the "Purpose-Driven Church". Smith is well aware of the unprecedented spiritual deception occurring right now in "Christian" religious circles; it is just as our Lord forewarned in Matthew 24:4, 11, 24.

This says it rather succinctly:

http://www.swrc.com/subscriptions/po/2005/march.htm

Let us suppose that a salesman came to your door with a huge box of freshly baked cookies. The cookies are beautiful and smell delicious. As you appear interested, the salesman offers to sell you enough for the whole church for only $1,000. (The is approximately what the PDL programs cost each church.)

You say, "But what are the dark spots in the cookies?"

The salesman responds, "Oh, the cookies are made out of the finest flour, sugars, and spices available. However, 20 percent of the cookie's volume is cow manure."

You say, "But how will the church members eat those cookies with the manure in them?"

The salesman answers, "No problem. Just tell them to spit out the dark spots of the cow manure and eat the rest of the cookie."

The reader will probably conclude that this is a terrible example, which it is. But what about the 70,000 pastors who have disseminated copies of The Purpose Driven Life to their memberships that encourage replacing the Authorized Version Bibles with The Message? Have they no responsibility?
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So, the theological errors you speak of....is that related to him advocating using a different Bible version than the KJV? Just wondering what the crux of your message is.

Peace...

Woody
 
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I guess one has to be a reformed Christian or belong to a Reformed Christian Church if he is not to be a part of the Apostate Church. Give me a break.



May God bless, golfjack
 
Biblereader said:
The reader will probably conclude that this is a terrible example, which it is. But what about the 70,000 pastors who have disseminated copies of The Purpose Driven Life to their memberships that encourage replacing the Authorized Version Bibles with The Message? Have they no responsibility?
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Southern Bapthist churches use Sunday School guides that quote each verse in both the KJV and NIV. That's wonderful!

I haven't read the Purpose Driven Life and wouldn't read it. I get turned off by pandering feel-good fluff found in such books. And, I'm starting to get very turned off by anyone who uses phrases like "end of the age".

Paraphrases, such as The Message, are abominations. Paraphrasing should be saved for commentary.
 
I have the Purpose Driven Life book, I only read about 20 pages. But I do intend to finish the book. that was one popular book here in Philly among Christians.
 
The only errors I've found so far are the erroneous beiief that my soul goes to heaven when I die.

Other than that I haven't found any problems with it so far. Some might call it 'fluff' but I call it practical application of our faith and realizing an abundant life that Jesus promised us with the God-given potential we have and the power through the Spirit.

Not everything has to be a deep theological doctrinal expose and study.

The Pharisees were into that alot too. Look where it got their spiritual experience.

I'm not saying everything he has written is good or bad. I have yet to withhold judgment until I've read the whole thing.
 
W.S.J. CHRONICLES THE UNREPORTED PLIGHT OF PURPOSE DRIVEN REFUGEES

By Paul Proctor

September 8, 2006
NewsWithViews.com

This is a first, my friends. Mark it on your calendar. Until now, no mainstream news organization has dared call into question the "People's Pastor" and his Purpose Driven Life.

Not unlike the infamous pedophile scandals of the Catholic Church, it too has taken years to get this protestant perversion out of the closet and into the view of public scrutiny - Bible believing Christians being ostracized, even thrown out of their churches for resisting the herd - ridiculed and railroaded for holding faithfully to the Word of God rather than the wily words of a man named Warren.

In the last half dozen years of researching the church growth movement, I wrote and warned and waited for Christian news organizations to acknowledge this postmodern pestilence and get the word out to spare the flock.

But the silence was deafening. The leaven had spread too far and wide. They were selling the books, joining the networks, preaching the prefabricated pontifications and riding high on the exhilaration of a racehorse named Relativism toward the finish line of a one-world religion. They weren't about to pull back on the reigns now - not with an adoring crowd of millions throwing money and cheering them on from theater seats!

The preaching of Repentance and Righteousness had been slowly, seductively and methodically replaced by the pragmatic pursuit of Results and Relationships, turning the Church, as we knew it, into an amusement park of fun seekers and flesh peddlers.

Nobody wanted to hear the horror stories of the church growth movement's latest effort called The Purpose Driven Life, only its perceived successes. The product was selling too well to recall it or even issue a warning to consumers. Too many reputations and resources were at stake. Repentance NOW would only make the legions of Purpose Driven participants look like fools and threaten the credibility of the church at large, which, frankly, would be more than our sacred coffers and careers could bear. So, we hid the hideousness of the movement from public view and spoke only of beautiful things.

Well, I suppose the Lord has had enough of our sugary sacrilege because this week, asses spoke and stones cried out when a secular newspaper did what Christian news agencies would not; they came to the defense of a handful of ousted refugees; persecuted, punished and Purposely Driven out of their own church homes by, of all people, their brothers and sisters in Christ, for failing to compromise their convictions for the collective.

The Wall Street Journal did what the Church and its Purpose Driven pastors could not bring themselves to do. They told us the ugly truth. They showed us what wretched sinners we really are - something our pseudo-shepherds were deceived into thinking would only hurt our self-esteem and thwart the church's growth.

Now the only question is: Where does the church go from here? Down on her knees to confess and repent or back to the bushes for more fig leaves?

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." - 2nd Timothy 3:1-7
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I would be very careful of the reporting of a secular reporter. What is it specifically that Warren's Chuurch has done? Is it because he has made too much money? Or maybe because his church has grown so much? My Church has been critized out there on the Web. I am a Charismatic Pentecostal, who belongs to a Word of Faith Church, and have studied undrer the Late Rev. Kenneth Hagin. I believe one has to have the real facts and not just rumors or false assumptions. If one has a problem with praying in tongues and the nine gifts of the Spirit, I suggest that they study the Bible, and not be so captured in vain imaginations.


May God bless, golfjack
 
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I know what new age is. I just don't see that with him, other than heresy hunters attacking him.



May God bless, golfjack
 
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Believe what you want, but I suggest you read through some of the links.
Download the pdf file that is available and read it.

Peace
 
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I have read some of the links. To me they are just knit-picking. What in the world is wrong with Try Jesus? Really, it just might be as Baptist thing compared to Pentecostal thing. I thought they stopped that. You know, I am not going to judge anyone's anointing as long as it is not way out of line. Like, no triinity, universalism or many of the new age junk. I do evangelize and recognize that it is the Holy Spirit that does the convicting, and He uses me as His mouth piece.



May God bless, golfjack
 
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golfjack said:
I have read some of the links. To me they are just knit-picking. What in the world is wrong with Try Jesus? Really, it just might be as Baptist thing compared to Pentecostal thing. I thought they stopped that. You know, I am not going to judge anyone's anointing as long as it is not way out of line. Like, no triinity, universalism or many of the new age junk. I do evangelize and recognize that it is the Holy Spirit that does the convicting, and He uses me as His mouth piece.



May God bless, golfjack
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So this apostate wolf in sheeps clothing (Rick Warren) is your brother, yet some simple believer who doesn't see the God head exactly the way you see it, yet is believing on Jesus Christ for salvation is unsaved?
 
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