Rome can not be the beast

[johnny botwright]

intresting point ten heads, ten political systems seven heads of religion, just a thought , is this beast already here.
a bit like the lord of the rings, seven rings one to rule them all, not long ago the vatican, had every religion present for prayer and blessing, Pope kissing the Koran ect.
many speak of the power and global influence of the jesuits and the black pope.
you tube history of the jesuits quiet an eye opener. johnny

 

[johnny botwright]

much of what is written in revelations 17/18 could apply to Jerusalem and rome.
the women riding the beast. both drunk on the blood of the saints.

The RCC , the vatican is a soverien state, has ruled over the kings of the earth,
a mulitude of people over a billion catholics. its influence, and power. more a super power.
like wise with Jerusalems influence, over the earth, jews living in most countrys.

both rome the vatican as well as Jerusalem, destruction could come in one day.

johnny

 

[NJBeliever]

The Bible seems to be incedibly clear that The Beast is a person, not a place, nation or idea.

 

[precepts]

It's an established fact that Rome is the 4th and 5th beasts in Daniel which represents the 2 beasts in Revelation. That's a fact! Why would people deny that fact is another question or thread!

ROME IS THE 4TH AND 5TH BEASTS IN DANIEL, THE 2 BEASTS IN REVELATION! THAT'S A FACT!

 

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NJBeliever's

The Bible seems to be incedibly clear that The Beast is a person, not a place, nation or idea.

That's another fact!
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

If these 'seven heads' are seven 'literal' hills, then explain how a 'hill' (an elevated mound of dirt and rock) receives a fatal wound, but then is healed

Revelation 13:3 "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast."

And then explain how a literal 'hill' can blaspheme God.

Revelation 13:1 "And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name"

If you re-read my post, you will notice that God DID INDEED show us what 'hills' represent throughout His Word.

The bible says the hills have names of blashemy.It doesnt say those hills blasheme
God.The bible is correct.Those hills have names and thier names have meaning.

The bible also says that there isa a cirty that sits upon those seven hills.If your claiming that the seven hills are seven continents then tell us the name of the city that covers seven continents.There is no such city.You are going to have to rewrite the entire bible if that is your belief.You would be better off believingf the word of God insted of rewriting it to suit your veiw.My veiw on the other hand is in line with the word of God.My veiw is that there is a city that sits on seven hills.That city is responsible for all the blood shed upon the earth as says the word of God.My veiw is the same as Jesus's in this instance because Jesus blamed all the righteous blood shed upon the earth on Jerusalem.And that is a fact that can not be changed .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

It's an established fact that Rome is the 4th and 5th beasts in Daniel which represents the 2 beasts in Revelation. That's a fact! Why would people deny that fact is another question or thread!

ROME IS THE 4TH AND 5TH BEASTS IN DANIEL, THE 2 BEASTS IN REVELATION! THAT'S A FACT!

There is no 5th beast in Daniel.Daniel only dreamed of 4 beast ,not 5.

 

[Sinthesis]

There is no 5th beast in Daniel.Daniel only dreamed of 4 beast ,not 5.

Yes, but that which some commonly refer to as Daniel's 5th beast is given status as a separate beast in Revelation.:o

 

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From scriptures i see the beast as being a man and the empire He rules. So the beast is both a man and a multi kingdomed empire. This empire will be lead by 10 nations but will include more then just the 10 nations. The horns represent the nations that have power in the empire. If we look back into the OT we are given understanding as to what horns are in prophecy.

“Daniel 8:3
I looked up, and there before me was a ram with two horns, standing beside the canal, and the horns were long. One of the horns was longer than the other but grew up later.â€

The Angel interpreted the vision to Daniel later in the passage.

“Daniel 8:20
20The ram which you saw, having the two horns--they are the kings of Media and Persia.â€

Meda-Persia became united into one kingdom (the ram) one horn (Persia) was longer (more powerful) than the other (Media) it became more powerful and eventually absorbed its partner Media and the empire became known as Persia.

Note the media Persia empire was larger then the lands of the medes and persians it included a number of subjugated nations. So the beast (ram) represents all the nations in the empire but the horns represent the nations who hold power in that empire. When the persia took complete control of the empire the medes did not cease to exist they simply became as the other subjugated nations within the persian empire.

In this same prophesy the ram was destroyed by a one horned goat.

Daniel 8:5

“5And as I was considering, suddenly a male goat came from the west, across the surface of the whole earth, without touching the ground; and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. 6Then he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing beside the river, and ran at him with furious power. 7And I saw him confronting the ram; he was moved with rage against him, attacked the ram, and broke his two horns. There was no power in the ram to withstand him, but he cast him down to the ground and trampled him; and there was no one that could deliver the ram from his hand.â€

The Angel interpreted the vision to Daniel later in the passage.
Daniel 8:21

21And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king.

So Greece was an empire under the king Alexander that subjugated many nation, But the power of the empire was exclusive to the Greeks and to the king Alexander So in this case the horn represents both Greece and its king Alexander. So too do the horned on the beast of revelation and Daniel represent both nations and leaders who will rule them in the end times.

We read about the beast that a little horn will rise up amongst the 10 and uproot 3 of the other horns.

Daniel 7
7 “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.

So this little horn is talking because it is a person as well as a nation a little nation. But just because 3 large horns are uprooted does not mean those nations are destroyed, just as the medes lost their power in the media persian empire, so will 3 of the 10 horns loose their power to the little horn in the final beast empire prophesised in Daniel and The book of Revelation. But this does not mean these 3 nations will be destroyed. It could be that the little horn king will unite the 3 larger nations with his small nation into one nation that he controls directly.


I also see that many people get the harlot and the beast mixed up. they blend them into one force, but the scriptures reveal that they are separate entities who for a time work together but in the end it is the beast who destroys the harlot. If the beast and harlot are one then it could not destroy itself. We read.

Revelation 17
16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

So once the beast no longer needs the harlot it will destroy the harlot that it once supported. I believe this will happen when the anti-christ (little horn) takes his place of power in the beast empire. A false religion harlot is no longer needed once the new ruler who wishes to be worshipped comes to power.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

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Sorry double post

 

[Elijah674]

Rev 17;11
And the beast that was,and is not,even he is the eighth,and is of the seven,and goeth into perdition.

Because the beast didnt exist when John wrote this in 100ad.As of 100ad it is not.It had existed before 100ad because it was.

If you believed Rome was the beast then the people who taught you this was wrong.That simple.

Forum: This is as far as i will go with this for now at least. When one states a false fact as fact instead of as an opinion even of perhaps a fact, then I can see Titus 3:9-11 in view at least!

2 Cor. 4:2 to me is a favorite satanic jesuit tactic. On another site we see one of the rome ones even pleading almost, for the Rev. 17:5 [daughters] to stay in their harlot folds! And why is that? because they are infested with these ones and are already romes! PROOF??? How else do you see these DAUGHTERS called the [ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH] in their last day setting??

And Inspiration in 2 Thess. has Paul's pen there dated in most Bibles in 34 AD. That is again quite a spell from the 100 ad seen above. Here below is Pauls 'Inspired' documentation..
2Thes.2

[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
(+ does that sound like Old Israel? )


[5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
[7] For [the mystery of iniquity doth already work:] only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

 

[zone]

that was in reference to these man in the past,
isiah,zechariah and host of others.

not that the jews wont do it again but since then (ad 70) we so called christians have killed more jews then they did christians or the prophets.

sigh.

please find out who loves communism.
communism has killed and tortured more people than the inquisition and all world wars combined.

we are talking about satan's people, not faithful Jacob.

 

[zone]

The Bible seems to be incedibly clear that The Beast is a person, not a place, nation or idea.

there are more than one beast mentioned.

 

[zone]

It's an established fact that Rome is the 4th and 5th beasts in Daniel which represents the 2 beasts in Revelation. That's a fact! Why would people deny that fact is another question or thread!

ROME IS THE 4TH AND 5TH BEASTS IN DANIEL, THE 2 BEASTS IN REVELATION! THAT'S A FACT!

nope.
false doctrine.
Jerusalem is the Mother of harlots.
Rome is a daughter, so are Protestant apostates, and other spin-offs.

 

[Elijah674]

sigh.

please find out who loves communism.
communism has killed and tortured more people than the inquisition and all world wars combined.

we are talking about satan's people, not faithful Jacob.

Hi, NO PERSONAL OFFENSE INTENDED, but you do not know what you are [POSTING] about! How in the world do you see [ALL OF THE REV. 17:1-5 ONES BEING THE ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH... ETERNALLY LOST!] (Holy Spirit Documented) and not understand that satan's rome has been the cause of these ones who are to be slaughtered even in the Second Eternal DEATH???????? And if you do not understand that? See Christ's Words in Luke 12:47-48 for who will suffer most in HELL because of this!

--Elijah

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Forum: This is as far as i will go with this for now at least. When one states a false fact as fact instead of as an opinion even of perhaps a fact, then I can see Titus 3:9-11 in view at least!

2 Cor. 4:2 to me is a favorite satanic jesuit tactic. On another site we see one of the rome ones even pleading almost, for the Rev. 17:5 [daughters] to stay in their harlot folds! And why is that? because they are infested with these ones and are already romes! PROOF??? How else do you see these DAUGHTERS called the [ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH] in their last day setting??

And Inspiration in 2 Thess. has Paul's pen there dated in most Bibles in 34 AD. That is again quite a spell from the 100 ad seen above. Here below is Pauls 'Inspired' documentation..
2Thes.2

[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
(+ does that sound like Old Israel? )


[5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
[7] For [the mystery of iniquity doth already work:] only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Your quoting scripture about a different person.Im speaking of the beast with seven heads and ten horns.You quoting scripture about the son of perdition.Try to get it right.

 

[Elijah674]

Your quoting scripture about a different person.Im speaking of the beast with seven heads and ten horns.You quoting scripture about the son of perdition.Try to get it right.

Hi, the fact is, is that my post was about scripture, nothing personal meant!
--Elijah

PS: And Shilohsfoal?? Whatever??