Rome is NOT the Babylon Harlot City

[journeymanisnothing]

If all Christians were killed in the coming time of "great tribulation", which God's Word reveals is to be a time on earth that has never been before, nor ever will be again, then it would mean the Bible Scriptures about Jesus' coming to gather His Church would have been all lies.

Yes David! Yes yes yes!!! It would be true...unles the "time of trouble which none is like", is when God Himself appeared on earth as a man and faced mankind tempted by demons to inflict suffering on Him that makes me sick to think about.
Forgiving sinners who hated Him that much is beyond human comprehension, because no human loves that way. He showed all mankind the love of God.

Read any text in scripture where believers suffer [/b]because of faith in Him. [/b]

It's because,

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. Jn.15:20 KJV

It's "the time of Jacobs trouble" because Israel suffered in Christ. That is believers both Jew and gentile.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Some of us will be delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a Testimony for Jesus by allowing The Holy Spirit to speak through us against the beast. And some of us delivered up might be killed, like Jesus showed in Mark 13. But not all of us. And what did Lord Jesus say about not fearing those who can kill our flesh body, but not our soul? (Matthew 10:28)

What you describe has been happening to followers of Jesus from the beginning. The apostles were called before the Jewish high court,

They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. Act.5:40 KJV

Hebrews 11 shows how we belong to the body of Christ, both Old and New.

 

[DavidT]

You don't have any argument left, I check mated you.

In your dreams. You haven't even touched... upon the relevant Scripture.

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

 

[DavidT]

What you describe has been happening to followers of Jesus from the beginning. The apostles were called before the Jewish high court,

They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. Act.5:40 KJV

Hebrews 11 shows how we belong to the body of Christ, both Old and New.

I understand your reference to it having begun in the past, but you could apply that even to the Old Testament prophets who were persecuted. Yet that is still not the 'timing' which Jesus is giving that event for in His Olivet discourse, which is linked to the 'seals' of Revelation 6, which are for the end of this world.

Recall Acts 2 on Pentecost when Apostle Peter quoted from the end of Joel 2. Peter showed the cloven tongue of Pentecost was an 'example' of that Joel 2 prophecy. Many think on Pentecost in Acts 2 the Joel 2 prophecy was fulfilled then, but not so.

The Joel 2 prophecy below is actually for the very END of this world, just prior to Christ's future return on the "day of the Lord"...

Joel 2:28-32
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My spirit.

30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
KJV

Peter quoted all that above part in red in Acts 2 on Pentecost. But were those above events really for the time of Acts 2? No, those signs in the heavens, sun turning to darkness, moon in to blood, are events for the END of this world, just prior to Christ's future return.

And that is what the SIGN of the delivering up of the saints in Mark 13 and Matthew 24 is about, for the END. It is linked to the following Seal...

Rev 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
KJV

Lucifer de facto comes on the 6th Seal to play false-Messiah, on earth, in person. So the above 5th Seal event is actually timed with the 5th and 6th trumpets, which represents the "beginning of sorrows" time just prior... to the tribulation (5th trumpet - 1st woe period), and then into the "great tribulation" (6th trumpet - 2nd woe period).

 

[Rondmon]

In your dreams. You haven't even touched... upon the relevant Scripture.

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

This is TOO FUNNY.....You take great city and thus it has to be Jerusalem even though there were many GREAT CITYS. That's like us today saying that any mention of BIG CITY has to mean New York because the New York Times used BIG CITY in a story about New York in 1933 (lol).

So you take an illogical approach to GREAT CITY, and ignore the real markers I have put forth. You can always tell when a guy has n0 clue about prophecy.

 

[DavidT]

So you take an illogical approach to GREAT CITY, and ignore the real markers I have put forth. You can always tell when a guy has n0 clue about prophecy.

All you are doing is making yourself look 'foolish' by rejecting the simplicity of the Bible Scripture evidence that JERUSALEM is the Babylon harlot "great city" of Revelation 17.

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

 

[YeshuaGlory]

One of the matters from men's 'leaven' doctrines the new babe in Christ should be careful of, are men's traditions from the old Protestant Reformers. Now don't get me wrong, I am a Protestant Christian, my ancestors came to the Americas in the 17th century having fled France as huguenots (first French protestants). They fled persecutions by the Catholic Church that was trying to stamp out the Protestant movement of the Reformation. So I definitely am not a Catholic, nor pro-Catholic. I side with the old Reformers.

But TODAY, just what is the purpose of still pushing the old Reformer's ideas of their day, that the Roman pope was the Antichrist prophesied for the end of this world? Did the end of the world happen in the days of those old Reformers like Martin Luther? No. The pope wasn't the Antichrist for the end either. Nor is a pope going to be the coming Antichrist prophesied for the end of this world either. Why?...

Because no pope can become The Messiah of The Bible which MUST be from the tribe of Judah, and of the house of David! In Matthew 24:23-26 Lord Jesus was warning us about a false-Messiah. The Greek word pseudochristos is used for KJV "false Christs". Yet the context of those verses are actually SINGULAR, and is about a singular false-Messiah that is to appear in Jerusalem at the end of this world, and work great signs and wonders, that IF... it were possible, would deceive even His very elect.

Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, defined that Greek word pseudochristos (NT:5580) as "a spurious Messiah". It's because that word is actually made up from 2 Greek words, pseudo which means false, and christos which means a singular Christ. And the word Christ means The Messiah of Old Testament prophecy, and applies only to The Son of God.

The old Reformers when they were being attacked by the Catholics and their pope back during the Protestant rebellion, thought the tribulation was coming upon them back then. So they thought the pope then represented the Biblical Antichrist prophesied to come at the end of this world. Well, the end of the world did not happen in their day, so the pope was NOT the Antichrist prophesied to come.

However, the Protestant Churches today that still push that old Reformer doctrine about a pope as the Antichrist is still being pushed today as propaganda. And it is a very convenient tool used by Jews who want the Church to stay away from pointing to fallen Jerusalem being where the prophesied Antichrist is to appear, and set himself up as God there, with a new Jewish temple.

The pagan Roman empire didn't just persecute Christians in its history, the Romans also persecuted Jews at one point too. Not only that, but the later Roman Church ended outward powers of groups it had once supported, like the Knights Templar. The Roman Church also has worked against world Communism. Thus the Roman Church has plenty of haters. And I say that not as a supporter of the Roman Church, because I don't accept many of their man-made doctrines, nor their pope, and not even their organized Levitical type priest system, which The New Covenant gives no authority for, and definitely not Mary worship, nor praying to dead saints.

The pope and the Catholic system can be no more the root of the Antichrist than any other globalist organization working towards a "one world government" over all peoples and nations today. And a pope definitely can never... be The Messiah, Jesus Christ. Any system working against Christ today can inherit the "many antichrists" label, or "spirit of antichrist" label, but not 'the' "antichrist" label, which can only apply to a fake Christ, because the Greek for the word "antichrist" means the 'instead of Christ', or 'in place of Christ'.

Therefore, I find it very surprising that those pushing the old Reformers ideas today can think they are so smart with their false theories that the pope is the Antichrist, when Biblically that is an impossibility, and only reveals their Biblical ignorance of Jesus' warning about the coming of a false-Messiah that will attempt to be Jesus Christ Himself. Those actually show that they do not understand The New Testament prophetic Scripture at all! They only reveal their 'old' hatred against the Catholic Church and the pope office, so much so, that they actually reveal they probably have a secret agenda.

I believe that secret agenda originates from the false Jews, not Christians, but false ones that have crept in. Whatever it takes to keep your attention on Rome, and off of Jerusalem involving the events for the end, appears to be their ploy.

Christos means ANOINTED,,
Pseudo anointed = The religious.
all organized religion has elements of antichrist.
Including judaism.
who do you think called for Yeshua to be crusified??
The religious.
The great whore is specifically Rome, actually Vatican City. Read european history its all there.
Protestantism is dying out on its own, Does not need a earthquake from God,, whats left of the RRC will be finsihed in the earthquake.
shame all those beautiful art work will be reduced to dust.
Protestantism is the son of the great whore.
Its a longggg waqys off so I woyld not worry about it.
wish I could live to witness the great quake,, but i am old now. maybe God will let me see it in a vision.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

So it can be "metaphoric" Jerusalem but not a "metaphoric descriptor" which describes who the harlot is. The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time. Now I will rove you to have been in error the whole time.

The Vision

Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

So, this woman sits with these 7 Heads and 10 horns, of which we know 5 HAVE FALLEN (do you think 5 hills have fallen? come on) which were Egypt. Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece, she sit with Rome who WAS and another who has NOT YET COME (the one whose 10 kings kill her off, the E.U. forbids all religion save Beast worship). She was dressed Purple and Scarlet, and all one has to do is google purple and scarlet and it will tell you these colors were associated with Religious Orders and Government Royalty. These colors were very, very expensive to create, one came from a seed whose plant only grew in a few places, and the other came from a rare insect smushed up. So, when we see scarlet and purple the clue means Religious orders (FALSE RELIGION) and Governments Royalty.

On her FOREHEAD (street harlots back in the day practiced in the city square, the ones who set them up with a client would tell the to look for so and so, and that name would be on her forehead. So, those THREE NAMES not four, were Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots & Abominations of the Earth. So, if one is trying to identify the harlot what good is Mystery? It is not a part of the description of the Harlot, the MYSTERY in the vision is God saying I am going to explain this heretofore Mystery/Secret. Then the angels shows John three names that solves the puzzle, as I stated before, its means ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time.

Verse 6 however proves your understanding to be in error, in full. All the Saints (Jewish Saints) blood were on her hands, and all of the Christian Martyrs blood were also on her filthy hands. Well, all of the blood of God's peoples means in NO WISE can the just be ONE CITY, that just common sense my friend. All God peoples were not murdered in Jerusalem, nor Rome, nor Greece, nor Egypt, some are being killed today in Africa and in Muslim nation by what? A FALSE RELIGION called Islam. God true servants never kill God's holy followers, be they Jews of old or Christians, only those who are of FALSE RELIGION kills the Saints & Martyrs, and that in different and varied places all over the whole world, that's why she sits on MANY WATERS. So, nothing you say fits the scriptures, where do you guys come up wit stuff like this? Other men, or Men's Traditions is all it is.


There were many GREAT CITIES, that means a City of renown, that's all. That is very bad Eschatology my friend. I weigh out all the facts, without pre drawn conclusions.

I agree all worlkds religions are guilty,, But specifically it means vatican City, The history of roime is unbelievaable,, Extremely dif to read roman history post 300AD, start of Constintine's reign. through today.
But I must,, = The Truth will set you free.

 

[YeshuaGlory]

All you are doing is making yourself look 'foolish' by rejecting the simplicity of the Bible Scripture evidence that JERUSALEM is the Babylon harlot "great city" of Revelation 17.

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Jerusalem has been refered to as Sodom etc several x's in the OT,
But the Rev reference is specifially refering to The RRC.
You simply can not understand Rev's The Great Whore w/o reading roman history, post Constintine, 300AD. through todays times.
The RRC is closing churches as I type,, God's finishing touch will be the great quake, centered under Vatican City. which sits smack dab in the middle of,,,Rome.
Jerusalem will also face total destruction in this last epoch
I would not hold my breath.
Revelation is
NOTTTTT
a Hollywood movie script

 

[DavidT]

Brethren in Christ, don't be deceived by the false SDA teachings pushed here that the pope is the Antichrist for the end, and that Rome is the Babylon harlot. That is all trumped up by men's false doctrines that keep pushing the old Reformer's doctrines of the 16th century which believed then the pope was the Antichrist, and that they were living in the time when Jesus would return. Well, Jesus did not return back then, and nor was the pope the Antichrist.


Here are groups today that are working towards "a one world government":

1. the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" = those in the high levels of secret societies, like the Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Order of the Golden Dawn, Theosophy, etc. Documentation in the 1798 book Proofs Of A Conspiracy by British naturalist John Robison.

2. British Round Table Socialists = documented in Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley's book Tragedy and Hope. These are western Socialists which Quigley says often work with Communism, and have no problem doing so.

3. "the establishment" = a term Quigley coined in his book about the "insiders" American east coast "establishment" which takes orders from Britian's Round Table Group of western Socialists.

4. World Communism = a movement actually created by 'western' Socialists, and funded by Socialist New York wealthy that provided $10,000 USD to Leon Trotsky in 1917 on his way to Moscow to help fund the Bolshevik revolution. Trotsky was arrested in Halifax, Nova Scotia on his way to Moscow, and was found with $10,000 on his person by the police, which is a matter of public record. Halifax authorities then received a directive from London authorities to let Trotsky go.

All those groups have the plan for a "one world government", which is what the Revelation 13:1 beast kingdom will be about.

So the idea of Rome and the pope is only a distraction... of theirs, to take one's attention off the Biblical fact that the future one-world beast kingdom event is to culminate with JERUSALEM as its headquarters when the pseudo-Messiah shows up there, and is made king over all nations and peoples at the end, for 42 months, per Rev.13.

 

[Rondmon]

Brethren in Christ, don't be deceived by the false SDA teachings pushed here that the pope is the Antichrist for the end, and that Rome is the Babylon harlot. That is all trumped up by men's false doctrines that keep pushing the old Reformer's doctrines of the 16th century which believed then the pope was the Antichrist, and that they were living in the time when Jesus would return. Well, Jesus did not return back then, and nor was the pope the Antichrist.


Here are groups today that are working towards "a one world government":

1. the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" = those in the high levels of secret societies, like the Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Order of the Golden Dawn, Theosophy, etc. Documentation in the 1798 book Proofs Of A Conspiracy by British naturalist John Robison.

2. British Round Table Socialists = documented in Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley's book Tragedy and Hope. These are western Socialists which Quigley says often work with Communism, and have no problem doing so.

3. "the establishment" = a term Quigley coined in his book about the "insiders" American east coast "establishment" which takes orders from Britian's Round Table Group of western Socialists.

4. World Communism = a movement actually created by 'western' Socialists, and funded by Socialist New York wealthy that provided $10,000 USD to Leon Trotsky in 1917 on his way to Moscow to help fund the Bolshevik revolution. Trotsky was arrested in Halifax, Nova Scotia on his way to Moscow, and was found with $10,000 on his person by the police, which is a matter of public record. Halifax authorities then received a directive from London authorities to let Trotsky go.

All those groups have the plan for a "one world government", which is what the Revelation 13:1 beast kingdom will be about.

So the idea of Rome and the pope is only a distraction... of theirs, to take one's attention off the Biblical fact that the future one-world beast kingdom event is to culminate with JERUSALEM as its headquarters when the pseudo-Messiah shows up there, and is made king over all nations and peoples at the end, for 42 months, per Rev.13.

That's correct and it comes from a lot more places than the SDA. But then you turn right around and teach another FALSEHOOD, that Jerusalem is the Harlot, and just like they are blinded unto a fault and can not see the errors of their ways, you do the exact same thing as they do and put forth in error an unsound untruth.

 

[DavidT]

That's correct and it comes from a lot more places than the SDA. But then you turn right around and teach another FALSEHOOD, that Jerusalem is the Harlot, and just like they are blinded unto a fault and can not see the errors of their ways, you do the exact same thing as they do and put forth in error an unsound untruth.

That JERUSALEM will be the Babylon harlot "great city" is revealed in Revelation, for that is where the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will kill God's "two witnesses", as shown there in Revelation 11:7-8.

So talk about being blind, you first might want to remove the 'beam' from your own eye.

 

[xymox]

There are two cities in revelation, Babylon and the New Jerusalem/Golden city. Neither are literal cities. Babylon is a symbol for the world that sin built, wretched, drunk, wicked, etc. Golden city is a symbol for the church... precious and perfect in God's eyes.... the book of Revelation specifically refers to that city as the bride of Christ.

 

[DavidT]

There are two cities in revelation, Babylon and the New Jerusalem/Golden city. Neither are literal cities. Babylon is a symbol for the world that sin built, wretched, drunk, wicked, etc. Golden city is a symbol for the church... precious and perfect in God's eyes.... the book of Revelation specifically refers to that city as the bride of Christ.

That above is actually a doctrine from men about the Revelation Babylon harlot.

The last verse of Revelation 17:18 proves the symbolic "woman", the Babylon harlot of that chapter, is a "great city".

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

And that other idea there with, "which reigneth over the kings of the earth" reveals that "great city" will be the headquarters of the Rev.13:1 beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns.

That is why the Revelation 11 Scripture reveals where that "great city" is...

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

 

[xymox]

That above is actually a doctrine from men about the Revelation Babylon harlot.

The last verse of Revelation 17:18 proves the symbolic "woman", the Babylon harlot of that chapter, is a "great city".

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

And that other idea there with, "which reigneth over the kings of the earth" reveals that "great city" will be the headquarters of the Rev.13:1 beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns.

That is why the Revelation 11 Scripture reveals where that "great city" is...

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Doctrine from men? Nope, I didn't learn it from a man. I learned it by reading Revelation, no other books, just 'God and me'. (I certainly know the risks of that sort of attitude)

I used to understand it like most do, because i read what other men wrote, just like most people do. Quite literally 'doctrines from men'... Hal Lindsey, Tim Lehay, european union, Rome, Pope, etc. It's all rubbish. NONE of us came up with that stuff on our own; we ALL learned it from other men.
I get it though, it's a mysterious book. Most people take a look, get confused, give up, and run to see what someone else wrote. Therefore, people have a huge misunderstanding of the reason Revelation was written and what it is supposed to show us.

One day I decided to start over, and forget what I thought I knew about this book and let God show me.

I know you've all read Revelation hundreds of times. Read it fresh. When you catch yourself thinking, "yeah, I know this part...", stop, back up, ask God to show you.

 

[DavidT]

Doctrine from men? Nope, I didn't learn it from a man. I learned it by reading Revelation, no other books, just 'God and me'. (I certainly know the risks of that sort of attitude)

You didn't come up with that Babylon = false religion idea on your own. You did... learn it from men's doctrines. It's a doctrine that is older than you are.

I used to understand it like most do, ....

That kind of statement has been tried many, many times as an attempt to convince others that you 'used to believe' falsely, but now are enlightened. That ploy doesn't work. It's an old clique.

because i read what other men wrote, just like most people do. Quite literally 'doctrines from men'... Hal Lindsey, Tim Lehay, european union, Rome, Pope, etc. It's all rubbish. NONE of us came up with that stuff on our own; we ALL learned it from other men.
I get it though, it's a mysterious book. Most people take a look, get confused, give up, and run to see what someone else wrote. Therefore, people have a huge misunderstanding of the reason Revelation was written and what it is supposed to show us.

One day I decided to start over, and forget what I thought I knew about this book and let God show me.

I know you've all read Revelation hundreds of times. Read it fresh. When you catch yourself thinking, "yeah, I know this part...", stop, back up, ask God to show you.

Well, I'm glad you began to quit listening to the false Pre-trib Rapture doctors, yet, that idea about the Revelation Babylon not representing a literal 'city' is still just a doctrine from men, and you are not the first to wrongly 'think' it.

When God's Word emphatically points to something, like the Revelation 17:18 verse points to the symbolic "woman" of Rev.17 being "a great city", we are expected to heed that kind of Scripture as written, not just pass it off because we want to believe the Babylon harlot "woman" means some other idea.

God is actually pointing to Jerusalem in a fallen worship condition with those Rev.17 symbols of the Babylon harlot city. He first used those symbols for Jerusalem playing the harlot against Him back in the Ezekiel 16 Chapter. So how did you miss that? Don't tell me when you quit listening to the Pre-trib preachers and instead began asking God for understanding, that you simply bypassed... Bible study in The Old Testament prophets.

And by the way, God calls the historical city of Babylon under the king of Babylon, the "golden city" in Isaiah 14:4. And eventually there in that Isaiah 14 God is talking about Lucifer. You do realize there are false ones that have crept in unaware into Christ's Church that actually worship Lucifer, don't you?

 

[reddogs]

One of the matters from men's 'leaven' doctrines the new babe in Christ should be careful of, are men's traditions from the old Protestant Reformers. Now don't get me wrong, I am a Protestant Christian, my ancestors came to the Americas in the 17th century having fled France as huguenots (first French protestants). They fled persecutions by the Catholic Church that was trying to stamp out the Protestant movement of the Reformation. So I definitely am not a Catholic, nor pro-Catholic. I side with the old Reformers.

But TODAY, just what is the purpose of still pushing the old Reformer's ideas of their day, that the Roman pope was the Antichrist prophesied for the end of this world? Did the end of the world happen in the days of those old Reformers like Martin Luther? No. The pope wasn't the Antichrist for the end either. Nor is a pope going to be the coming Antichrist prophesied for the end of this world either. Why?...

Because no pope can become The Messiah of The Bible which MUST be from the tribe of Judah, and of the house of David! In Matthew 24:23-26 Lord Jesus was warning us about a false-Messiah. The Greek word pseudochristos is used for KJV "false Christs". Yet the context of those verses are actually SINGULAR, and is about a singular false-Messiah that is to appear in Jerusalem at the end of this world, and work great signs and wonders, that IF... it were possible, would deceive even His very elect.

Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, defined that Greek word pseudochristos (NT:5580) as "a spurious Messiah". It's because that word is actually made up from 2 Greek words, pseudo which means false, and christos which means a singular Christ. And the word Christ means The Messiah of Old Testament prophecy, and applies only to The Son of God.

The old Reformers when they were being attacked by the Catholics and their pope back during the Protestant rebellion, thought the tribulation was coming upon them back then. So they thought the pope then represented the Biblical Antichrist prophesied to come at the end of this world. Well, the end of the world did not happen in their day, so the pope was NOT the Antichrist prophesied to come.

However, the Protestant Churches today that still push that old Reformer doctrine about a pope as the Antichrist is still being pushed today as propaganda. And it is a very convenient tool used by Jews who want the Church to stay away from pointing to fallen Jerusalem being where the prophesied Antichrist is to appear, and set himself up as God there, with a new Jewish temple.

The pagan Roman empire didn't just persecute Christians in its history, the Romans also persecuted Jews at one point too. Not only that, but the later Roman Church ended outward powers of groups it had once supported, like the Knights Templar. The Roman Church also has worked against world Communism. Thus the Roman Church has plenty of haters. And I say that not as a supporter of the Roman Church, because I don't accept many of their man-made doctrines, nor their pope, and not even their organized Levitical type priest system, which The New Covenant gives no authority for, and definitely not Mary worship, nor praying to dead saints.

The pope and the Catholic system can be no more the root of the Antichrist than any other globalist organization working towards a "one world government" over all peoples and nations today. And a pope definitely can never... be The Messiah, Jesus Christ. Any system working against Christ today can inherit the "many antichrists" label, or "spirit of antichrist" label, but not 'the' "antichrist" label, which can only apply to a fake Christ, because the Greek for the word "antichrist" means the 'instead of Christ', or 'in place of Christ'.

Therefore, I find it very surprising that those pushing the old Reformers ideas today can think they are so smart with their false theories that the pope is the Antichrist, when Biblically that is an impossibility, and only reveals their Biblical ignorance of Jesus' warning about the coming of a false-Messiah that will attempt to be Jesus Christ Himself. Those actually show that they do not understand The New Testament prophetic Scripture at all! They only reveal their 'old' hatred against the Catholic Church and the pope office, so much so, that they actually reveal they probably have a secret agenda.

I believe that secret agenda originates from the false Jews, not Christians, but false ones that have crept in. Whatever it takes to keep your attention on Rome, and off of Jerusalem involving the events for the end, appears to be their ploy.

History shows it clearly... https://www.history.com/topics/religion/inquisition

 

[DavidT]

History shows it clearly... https://www.history.com/topics/religion/inquisition

I've actually been to the old monastery at El Escorial in Spain where the Spanish Inquisition started.

Still doesn't mean the Reformers were correct with their theory that the pope was the Antichrist to come at the end of this world. The 'end' is still today, not yet.