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carey
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Is it a Christian theoligical view or doctrine that money is the root of all evil??
Thoughts?
God bless,
Carey
Thoughts?
God bless,
Carey
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carey said:
The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 Timothy 6:10
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carey
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Solo said:
What else does the Bible say about money ,investing, spending saving etc. ???
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Spirit Driven
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God is actualy the source of all things including Evil..... I can find scripture to back that up if you like..... I should not have to though.
Surely you relise by now that with out God nothing happens at all to begin with..... Paul does warn us to stay away from the old wives tales however..
Grace and Peace to you
Surely you relise by now that with out God nothing happens at all to begin with..... Paul does warn us to stay away from the old wives tales however..
Grace and Peace to you
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Poke
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The Greek Lexican offers "some of all types" as a definition to the word translated "all" in the KJV.
So, the NIV phrase is accurate in saying: For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.
So, the NIV phrase is accurate in saying: For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.
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Nocturnal_Principal_X
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Poke said:
The NASB translates it that way as well:
1 Timothy 6:10:
“For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.â€Â
This particular topics makes me think of a quote from C. S. Lewis’ book entitled Mere Christianity:
“According to Christian teachers, the essential vice, the utmost evil, is Pride. Unchastity, anger, greed, drunkenness, and all that, are mere fleabites in comparison: it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice: it is the complete anti-God state of mind.â€Â
~C. S. Lewis
Scholar, Author, Apologist
from Mere Christianity
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carey
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hmmm
I am confused as to how this applies to money.
Spirit Driven said:
I am confused as to how this applies to money.
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carey
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????
So money leads to PRide??
Nocturnal_Principal_X said:
So money leads to PRide??
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carey
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So having lots of money is good??
So wanting to have lots of money is Good??
God bless,
Carey
Poke said:
So wanting to have lots of money is Good??
God bless,
Carey
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carey
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So having lots of money is good??
So wanting to have lots of money for goodis Good??
God bless,
Carey
Poke said:
So wanting to have lots of money for goodis Good??
God bless,
Carey
cyberjosh
Member
Oh geez, that could take pages. I'd recommend looking up "Dave Ramsey" on the internet. He is a huge public speaker/financial advisor and he is a Christian so he quotes Bible verses along with his financial advice, from which he has had the extraordinary experience of being a millionaire, going completely broke, and then having to start all over again. I took a video class of his over the summer. It was outstanding.
cyberjosh
Member
Ok I'll try to do a little exegesis here.
Here is my thesis: Wealth outside of God is vanity (Proverbs 23:4‑5, Ecclesiastes 5:10). Wealth can cause all kinds of greed and wicked deeds by those who treasure it above all in their heart. But God can bless you with wealth and prosperity as an accessory blessing for following him, as he did with Job and Solomon (Job 42:10-17; 2nd Chronicles 1:11-12). Read specifically what he said to Solomon.
Now for some more supportive scriptures. First of all, because of the greed issue, this is why Jesus said, "Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also" (Matthew 6:21). He elaborated before that saying, "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal" (Matthew 6:19-20).
Our true treasure is where our heart will lead us. Paul is a prime example of someone who sought after God first, knowing his inhereitance and treasure were in Heaven. "Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. " (Philippians 3:12-14)
Paul sought after God, the goal mark, as if he were in a race for endurance and perseverance to win his prize in Christ Jesus.
This demonstrates obediance to the command, "Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." (Matthew 6:33)
Now, there is also a prime example of someone who did the opposite all for the love of money. This is the story of the richman who came to Jesus:
Because of his riches he rejected God. Truely money is the root of all kinds of evil, becuase it causes lust in man for the wealth of the world. God can bless you with material wealth but we must remember to "Seek first the kingdom of God" and THEN "all these things will be added unto you." And yet even this is not a promise of becoming rich but merely that we will lack nothing and a have all that we will ever need.
I'll leave you off with these verses:
"Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in all things, you may have an abundance for every good deed." (2 Corinthians 9:7-8)
"Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have." (Hebrews 13:5)
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carey
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WOW
Because of his riches he rejected God. Truely money is the root of all kinds of evil, becuase it causes lust in man for the wealth of the world. God can bless you with material wealth but we must remember to "Seek first the kingdom of God" and THEN "all these things will be added unto you." And yet even this is not a promise of becoming rich but merely that we will lack nothing and a have all that we will ever need.
I'll leave you off with these verses:
"Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in all things, you may have an abundance for every good deed." (2 Corinthians 9:7-8)
"Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have." (Hebrews 13:5)[/quote:51693]
This was the most well thought out reply I could imagine.
You spoke and quoted scripture every time about the heart and the reason.
Storing treasure is silly.
And treasure can give more temptation.
Being content with what you have is the biggy though.(WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO BE CONTENT WITH WHAT YOIU HAVE)???? Is this a free ticket to complacency and laziness of mind??
Pondering still here.
cybershark5886 said:
Because of his riches he rejected God. Truely money is the root of all kinds of evil, becuase it causes lust in man for the wealth of the world. God can bless you with material wealth but we must remember to "Seek first the kingdom of God" and THEN "all these things will be added unto you." And yet even this is not a promise of becoming rich but merely that we will lack nothing and a have all that we will ever need.
I'll leave you off with these verses:
"Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in all things, you may have an abundance for every good deed." (2 Corinthians 9:7-8)
"Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have." (Hebrews 13:5)[/quote:51693]
This was the most well thought out reply I could imagine.
You spoke and quoted scripture every time about the heart and the reason.
Storing treasure is silly.
And treasure can give more temptation.
Being content with what you have is the biggy though.(WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO BE CONTENT WITH WHAT YOIU HAVE)???? Is this a free ticket to complacency and laziness of mind??
Pondering still here.
cyberjosh
Member
Thank you.
I try. I really do. :D
Well I've thought on this before and I think it is saying to be content with the current situation in one's life in what one has.
Now this does not mean quit your job and live off of what you have, because your job is also a possession to you also, in a manner of speaking. And I definately do not think it promotes laziness because the Bible commands us "Whatever you find your hand to do, do it with all your might" (Ecclesiastes 9:10) but I do think it means to not covet beyond what you are provided for the sake of material gain only (the love of money). Now if you are in material need you may seek to gain money to provide for the need, and this is what God promises us for those to seek after Him. If God gives you an abundance then perhaps you have more than you need and may consider giving ("God loves a cheerful giver") some of it to some one who is in need, though we should always find ways to give even if we are poor (as did the Woman with the two mites - Mark 12:41-44).
I think the command to be content with what you have is speaking against envy or covetousness for money, not the gaining of money to provide for one's self and perhaps have some abundance for personal uses and giving.
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carey
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smile
I try. I really do. :D
Well I've thought on this before and I think it is saying to be content with the current situation in one's life in what one has.
Now this does not mean quit your job and live off of what you have, because your job is also a possession to you also, in a manner of speaking. And I definately do not think it promotes laziness because the Bible commands us "Whatever you find your hand to do, do it with all your might" (Ecclesiastes 9:10) but I do think it means to not covet beyond what you are provided for the sake of material gain only (the love of money). Now if you are in material need you may seek to gain money to provide for the need, and this is what God promises us for those to seek after Him.
If God gives you an abundance
(me) dont we all have an abundance of info on how to get more money available????
then perhaps you have more than you need and may consider giving ("God loves a cheerful giver") some of it to some one who is in need, though we should always find ways to give even if we are poor (as did the Woman with the two mites - Mark 12:41-44).
(me)Agreed
I think the command to be content with what you have is speaking against envy or covetousness for money,
(me)Agreed
not the gaining of money to provide for one's self and perhaps have some abundance for personal uses and giving.[/quote:fc286]
(me)Dont agree I can see how we could agree on not getting more when we can to give to those in need.
cybershark5886 said:
I try. I really do. :D
Well I've thought on this before and I think it is saying to be content with the current situation in one's life in what one has.
Now this does not mean quit your job and live off of what you have, because your job is also a possession to you also, in a manner of speaking. And I definately do not think it promotes laziness because the Bible commands us "Whatever you find your hand to do, do it with all your might" (Ecclesiastes 9:10) but I do think it means to not covet beyond what you are provided for the sake of material gain only (the love of money). Now if you are in material need you may seek to gain money to provide for the need, and this is what God promises us for those to seek after Him.
If God gives you an abundance
(me) dont we all have an abundance of info on how to get more money available????
then perhaps you have more than you need and may consider giving ("God loves a cheerful giver") some of it to some one who is in need, though we should always find ways to give even if we are poor (as did the Woman with the two mites - Mark 12:41-44).
(me)Agreed
I think the command to be content with what you have is speaking against envy or covetousness for money,
(me)Agreed
not the gaining of money to provide for one's self and perhaps have some abundance for personal uses and giving.[/quote:fc286]
(me)Dont agree I can see how we could agree on not getting more when we can to give to those in need.
cyberjosh
Member
I'm not sure what your point is with this. Of course we can have head knowledge about how to go job searching, but still that doesn't mean you'll get a job. My point was that if you do have a material wealth then searching for more wealth for sake of the love of money is most certainly greed when you already have more than you need. I know very few people are in this position (being materially rich) but I thought I would cover it to be thorough.
It's so difficult to generalize because situations can be vastly different in each circumstance. But the heart of it all is that gain of money out of greed is wrong, but this doesn't mean that we can't use the opportunities or jobs that God has blessed us with to gain some money. If you read the Bible than you will see that wealth can be properly handled in a righteous manner.
What don't you agree on?
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carey
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hmmmm
What don't you agree on?[/quote:07ba1]
(quote)not the gaining of money to provide for one's self and perhaps have some abundance for personal uses and giving.
I dont agree on not getting more riches for giving
cybershark5886 said:
What don't you agree on?[/quote:07ba1]
(quote)not the gaining of money to provide for one's self and perhaps have some abundance for personal uses and giving.
I dont agree on not getting more riches for giving
cyberjosh
Member
Oh, I think you misunderstood what I wrote, I said the Bible was speaking against greed but was not speaking against gaining of money to "provide for one's self and perhaps have some abundance for personal uses and giving".
But I believe giving of one's money whether poor, middle class, or rich is always a noble cause and the right thing to do.
God Bless,
Josh
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carey
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agreed
Thank you
God bless,
Carey
cybershark5886 said:
Thank you
God bless,
Carey