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Roots of Religion

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I just wanted to start a thread on this. This is currently what my History Professor is talking about. Where religion developed and how it evolved. Today, he began with how Islam is rooted in Judaism and Christianity and how Christianity is rooted in Judaism and then how Judaism is rooted in Zoroastrianism.(sp?) He then proceeded to bring up another interesting point, at a certain period in history, most and I mean MOST of the world was polytheistic. My question is how can Judaism and Christianity have a basis or truth to them if they just 'evolved' from oral traditions and other religions? Another thing that made me think more about the subject...he stated that in all countries/cities/organized populus in the past, religion has been the main cause of peace and stability. Places that were not defined to a religion, like anceint Mesopotamia and Sumer were chaos because of invasions and etc. because they did not have organized religion. What are your takes on this? How can any religions be the true one if they all 'evolved' over the years?
 
Zoroaster started Zoroastrianism in Persia around the 6th century BC. The Torah (the first five books of the Bible), the most important books of the OT, go back to nearly 1500BC. The book of Job is even older.

Even if Zoroastrianism were older, it wouldn't mean anything. Moses wasn't the first person God revealed himself to. How about people like Adam and Noah? If no one else knew of God or the Flood, it would be evidence Moses invented these things.

Also, Christianity predates Judaism. The Bible, the NT, was written in the first century AD. The Jewish Bible, the Talmud, was put together between 200 and 700AD. The religion of the Old Testament is not Judaism. God completed the religion of the OT in the first century with Christianity, when Christ fulfilled the OT and when God put away the old ways by destroying the Temple, the genealogies, and Judea. Christians are the children of Abraham, in the same faith. Jews rejected Abraham and Christ and started Judaism (what Jesus called the Synagogue of Satan).

There is only one God, the God of Abraham. No significant monotheistic religion disputes that. The religions that are ignorant of the God of Abraham are polytheistic, many small gods, and even these are rapidly becoming insignificant. There is no god to challenge God, and there never has been.
 
The Old Testament acknowledges that the Hebrews were polytheistis for a bit. They worshiped many gods. However, a priest of Yahweh "found" a document that said that they should just worship one god and amazingly, it was his god. That is when they converted to monotheism.

You can still see some polytheism in the Old Testament. Like when they talk of the "host" it was the assembly of the gods. Prophets would sit in on the meetings of the gods and that is how they knew what would happen. I even saw a figure of Yahweh's wife.

However, most of that has been removed from the Bible and most don't want to believe it was ever there or different from what it is today.
 
If we are all of the same people, then it stands to reason that our religion probably stems from one religion too. Consider Noah, if Noah, and his family, walked with God, and then repopulated the Earth after a global flood, and those people of one language, and one religion, were all taught by Noah, and his children, then all religions will be an off-shoot of the one's who were saved by God's promise in the Ark.

The reason we see the same types of things in different religions, a flood, a saviour, etc. is probably because they all were handed down from Noah, and when the people were scattered at Babel, they took what they knew about God with them...and it changed over the years for many cultures. It wasn't until Abraham that God made a covenant with His children, and that was in preparation for the New covenant.

Everything in Scripture, and in Nature, and in the relationships of this world, are pictures of Christ, and point to Him. All religion stems from people who walked with God in the beginning in covenant, and even in their distorted states contain some truth because of this. Believers are God's covenanted people, a believing covenanted people like Abraham was...like Josiah...like Peter...to the believers of today, and tomorrow. The Bible is the most informative, and unique book on this planet, but the history contained in it is completely ignored at times.
 
I have seen a few scholarly guesses at the idea of an original religion. This common religion was probably based on the idea that spirits are in everything. If you eat something you gain part of its spirit.

I think from there religions evolved to give rules and model the behavior of these spirits.
 
My question is how can Judaism and Christianity have a basis or truth to them if they just 'evolved' from oral traditions and other religions? Another thing that made me think more about the subject...he stated that in all countries/cities/organized populus in the past, religion has been the main cause of peace and stability.

Very good questions and there really isn’t a short and quick answer, so please excuse my ramblings and lack of detail.

Depending on the science that you choose to view history through, you may come up with different answers.
We can look at the Old Testament from many different angles and varying perspectives. From either a historical, Jewish or Christian view, it’s pretty safe to say that oral tradition was the means which stories were handed down until Moses recorded them (First 5 http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=29 ) (does not include Job). However, it’s pretty safe to say that the stories were learned verbatim back then and they remained intact quite well as I’ve been told.

Now, if the OT is a history of the Israelites, we need to know where Judaism came out of because the Israelites were really just another clan from the Hebrew seed to begin with. If we start with Abraham, Oral tradition reported and written by Moses tells us that God made Abraham a promise and cut a covenant (Gen 16). Between the covenant and the fulfillment of the covenant, something happens… Abraham meets Hagar and has a child. Then God gives Sari child and Isaac is born. (Gen 20?) Here, we see the beginning roots between Islam and Judaism. Judaism is from the tribe of Judah.
Isaac gives birth to Jacob and Jacob has 12 sons. You know the story, Joseph gets sold into slavery and later during the famine the 11 other brothers find him in Egypt and the whole family is saved, yada yada, yada… but they get held in captivity for 400 years until Moses comes along. You know the story, I’m sure.

Going back to the 12 tribes (12 Sons of Jacob), we see that the tribe of Levi in Moses day was assigned the duty of the tabernacle, later to become the temple.
Just before Solomon built the temple for God, God cut another covenant with David. David was from the tribe of Judah. If you go to the gospel of Luke, Luke gives the genealogy from Jesus right back to Adam. Notice about half way down you see David. Two down from David, you see Ruth and Boaz’s son.

So really, oral tradition was around for a long long time before it was ever written, but when Moses wrote it down, it pretty much stuck. If we look at ancient texts, there is little to no variation between them. Take the dead sea scrolls for example. For the most part, same books, (with a few more psalms etc) in a different order, but virtually the same words verbatim.

As far as peace and war, the Bible is a great historical record of this. Another great work is Ancient Near Eastern Texts compiled by Pritchard and from a historical perspective, complements the bible very well if you don’t mind wading through pages and pages of documents.

In closing, it is true that the Israelites were polytheistic. But this was never the intent of Yahweh. We see the Israelites before the flood worshipping other gods and we see it in Abrahams day and we even see Aaron (the high priest to be) creating a golden calf directly after the exodus. So, keep in mind that what the Israelites were, and what God wanted them to be, were often two totally different ideologies. Take notice also that Yahweh claims to have given them the land. They didn’t earn it. Furthermore, when God was with them, they won. When God said don’t do it, and they did, they lost. It’s a predictable pattern. Ever wonder why Moses didn’t make it to the promise land? Probably because God had finished his work. Secondary, the People had to know that God was delivering them, not Moses.
 
StoveBolts said:
From either a historical, Jewish or Christian view, it’s pretty safe to say that oral tradition was the means which stories were handed down until Moses recorded them
The secular view is that Moses did not author these books. A very good view of who authored the books from a secular perspective is at Straight Dope.

In closing, it is true that the Israelites were polytheistic. But this was never the intent of Yahweh.
That depends on individual religious belief. When the Hebrews were polytheistic, they just noted that Yahweh just wanted to be the chief god and have no gods before him. When the Hebrews conveted to monotheism, they got rid of a lot of that language.

They didn’t earn it.
They did have to kill for it.

Furthermore, when God was with them, they won.
Not always :) :

Judges 1:19
"And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."

When God said don’t do it, and they did, they lost. It’s a predictable pattern.
A simplier explanation is that each time they lost they assumed they angered Yahweh and when they won they must have pleased Yahweh. So that is what they wrote.
 
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